Christians are not under the OT Law

[Behold]

Christians are not under the Law of Moses.
Which does not mean that, if any Christian wants to keep any part of the Law of Moses voluntarily, for the sake of the spiritual meaning of any commandment or ritual, he should feel free to do so.

Which of the 613 Laws of Moses would you like to keep, and which would you like to avoid, today?

Oh that's right, you could not name 267 of them, or even 66 of them, but you want to talk about the Law as if you have a clue.
You dont. @Pancho Frijoles

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Which of the 613 Laws of Moses would you like to keep, and which would you like to avoid, today?

I can't imagine a single law I would like to keep today, my brother... except those that are supported by the principle of love to our neighbors.

Oh that's right, you could not name 267 of them, or even 66 of them, but you want to talk about the Law as if you have a clue.
You dont. @Pancho Frijoles

Well, if given enough time to search, I could name 66 and perhaps 267... But how would that change the statement I made? Please clarify what you have in mind.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Christians are not under the Law of Moses.
Which does not mean that, if any Christian wants to keep any part of the Law of Moses voluntarily, for the sake of the spiritual meaning of any commandment or ritual, he should feel free to do so.
What the NT condemns is the enforcement of the Law of Moses, and any feeling of superiority for keeping any aspect of the Law of Moses.

So, if a Seventh Day Adventist sister wants to devote Saturdays to worship and social welfare, good for her! God bless her!
Now, if she thinks that Sunday-keepers are opposing God, will receive the seal of the beast and will deserve to be annihilated, that's a total different story. That would be absolutely wrong.

There is only one kind of Christian: a Biblical Christian. And the Jews who followed Jesus and were born again are Christian. And Christians are still under the Law.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

The key to understanding the relationship between the Christian and the Law is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23–25; Ephesians 2:15).

In place of the Old Testament law, Christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us: “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshiping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.got?

hope this helps !!!

Yes indeed we are not under the law .
And the love of GOD shed upon our hearts fullfills the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law .
Would you like to know what the LOVE of GOD does not do .
MAKE VOID , trangress the law . Many seem to embrace rainbows and even other religoins as valid ways
holding up hundred dollar bills , supporting murder and even calling that love .
I DONT SEE THE LOVE OF GOD AT ALL in that mess . I see something else .
One who can quoate the scrips , EVEN can say GOD is love and yet HE TWISTS what is written to support lies and sin .
About the only one I KNOW who did that , was the serpent .
Many now preach hate as love and LOVE as hate .
I guess you would like an example of that last line .
Okay my friend , heres one .
YE SHALL NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way CORRECT him and not allow SIN upon him .
YET I SEE a version of a judge not correct not love getting sold that DO ALLOW brethren to remain in error
and in sin , that do allow EVEN UNBELIEF in CHRIST . THAT AINT NO LOVE OF GOD at work in them my friend .
That is hate coming from a murderer who has always desired the death of humanity
and just knows how to pander to the flesh of man . NOT looking good at all my friend . KEEP on in the trenches my friend .

 

[Johann]

Hebrews 7-10 all speak to the Levitical Priesthood that Abraham was not under, VS. the prophesied Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek, that Abraham was under. As Paul said, the Levitical Priesthood "LAW" was not "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments, and gave Tithes to Melchizedek.

Partially correct-

The Priesthood of Melchizedek vs. Levitical Priesthood (Hebrews 7)

Hebrews 7 contrasts the Levitical priesthood with the priesthood of Melchizedek, showing that the former was temporary and imperfect, whereas Christ’s priesthood (after the order of Melchizedek) is eternal and superior (Hebrews 7:11-28).

Your claim that Abraham was "under" Melchizedek’s priesthood overstates the text.

Hebrews 7:1-3 does not say Abraham was "under" Melchizedek’s priesthood in a covenantal sense; it simply states that Melchizedek was greater than Abraham since he blessed him and received tithes.

Melchizedek was a type of Christ, but there is no biblical evidence that Abraham was bound to his priesthood in the same way that Israel was bound to the Levitical priesthood under the Mosaic Covenant.

2. The Law Was Added 430 Years After Abraham (Galatians 3:17)
Correct Point: The Levitical priesthood was established under the Law of Moses, which came 430 years after God’s promises to Abraham (Galatians 3:17).

The argument that the "Law" being added refers specifically to the Levitical Priesthood is incorrect. Galatians 3:17-19 speaks of the Mosaic Law as a whole, not just the priesthood.

Paul’s point in Galatians 3 is that the Abrahamic Covenant was based on faith, whereas the Mosaic Law came later as a temporary measure until Christ.
The Levitical priesthood was part of that Mosaic Law, but the law itself had a broader function, including moral, ceremonial, and civil aspects.

3. The Superiority of Christ’s High Priesthood (Hebrews 8-10)
Correct Point-
Hebrews 8-10 argues that Christ’s priesthood surpasses the Levitical system.

The Old Covenant had a physical sanctuary, priestly ordinances, and animal sacrifices, but these were only shadows of the true reality in Christ (Hebrews 8:5, Hebrews 10:1).

Christ is now the High Priest of the true tabernacle, ministering before God in heaven (Hebrews 8:1-2).

The phrase "every high priest (of God, including Melchizedek)" is misleading because Melchizedek is never explicitly called a "high priest" in Hebrews—only Christ is.

Hebrews 8:3 does say, "For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices," but this is referring to Levitical high priests as a pattern that pointed to Christ’s ultimate priesthood.
The text does not suggest that Melchizedek offered sacrifices, as Levitical priests did.

4. The First Covenant vs. The New Covenant (Hebrews 9-10)
Correct Point-

The first covenant (Mosaic Covenant) included earthly ordinances, a physical tabernacle, and animal sacrifices (Hebrews 9:1-7).
These could never take away sins, but Christ’s blood does (Hebrews 9:12-14).

The phrase "when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God" (Hebrews 9:6) is not a reference to Melchizedek but to the Levitical priests under the Mosaic Covenant.

The function of the High Priest entering the Most Holy Place once a year (Hebrews 9:7) was exclusive to the Levitical system.
There is no evidence that Melchizedek performed similar rituals, since his role was typological rather than ceremonial.

5. Hebrews 10 and the End of the Sacrificial System

Hebrews 10:1-4 states that the Levitical sacrifices were shadows, not the real substance.
Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10-14) replaced the continual sacrifices of the Old Covenant.

Your claim "Jesus, the High Priest, have somewhat also to offer" (Hebrews 8:3) is misapplied when connected to Melchizedek.

Hebrews 8:3-6 explains that Jesus' offering is His own blood, which is different from Levitical sacrifices.

The Levitical priesthood was temporary, and the priesthood of Christ (after the order of Melchizedek) is eternal and superior.

Abraham was under Melchizedek’s priesthood in a binding covenantal sense—Scripture only shows that Abraham paid tithes to him (Hebrews 7:4-10).

The Law being added 430 years later refers only to the Levitical priesthood—Galatians 3:17-19 speaks of the entire Mosaic Law.
Correct- The New Covenant, established by Christ, replaces the Levitical priesthood and sacrificial system with a permanent High Priest and a once-for-all sacrifice.

Melchizedek offered sacrifices as a high priest—Hebrews never states this, and only Christ is called the High Priest in the New Testament.

Partially Correct but Needs Refinement
Your argument correctly contrasts the Levitical priesthood with Christ’s eternal priesthood, but it misapplies Melchizedek's role, misinterprets Galatians 3:17, and makes unwarranted assumptions about Abraham’s relationship to Melchizedek’s priesthood.

1. Greek and Textual Analysis:
Nestle-Aland 28th Edition (NA28) – Used for cross-referencing textual variants in Hebrews and Galatians.
Textus Receptus (Stephanus 1550 & Scrivener 1894) – Examined where relevant, particularly for Hebrews 7-10.
Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) Greek-English Lexicon – Provided lexical meanings of key terms such as nomos (νόμος, "law"), hiereus (ἱερεύς, "priest"), and leitourgia (λειτουργία, "service").
BDAG (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed.) – Consulted for lexical and syntactical meanings of words in Hebrews 7-10.
Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics – Provided grammatical insights, particularly on Greek participles in Hebrews 7-10.
A.T. Robertson, A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research – Used for morphological analysis of pisteuo (πιστεύω, "believe") and nomos (νόμος, "law").
2. Biblical Cross-References & Contextual Exegesis:
Genesis 14:18-20 – The only biblical reference to Melchizedek before the New Testament, where he receives tithes from Abraham but is not explicitly said to offer sacrifices.
Psalm 110:4 – The prophetic declaration of the Messiah’s priesthood “after the order of Melchizedek,” used as the foundation for Hebrews 7.
Hebrews 7:1-28 – The entire discussion on Melchizedek as a type of Christ rather than a covenantal mediator under whom Abraham functioned.
Hebrews 8:1-6 – The superiority of Christ’s priesthood, explaining that the Levitical system was only a shadow.
Hebrews 9:1-28 – The comparison between the Old Covenant sacrificial system and Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice.
Hebrews 10:1-14 – The explicit abolition of repeated sacrifices in favor of Christ’s singular atoning work.
Galatians 3:17-19 – Paul’s teaching on the Law being added 430 years later, clarifying that this refers to the entire Mosaic Law rather than just the Levitical priesthood.
3. Theological and Scholarly Sources:
Richard Bauckham, Jesus and the God of Israel – Addresses the Christological significance of Melchizedek in relation to Hebrews 7.
Michael L. Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Vol. 2: Theological Objections – Examines Hebrews 7-10 in the context of Jewish priesthood and covenant theology.
Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Israelology: The Missing Link in Systematic Theology – Discusses the role of Melchizedek within biblical and messianic theology.
F.F. Bruce, The Epistle to the Hebrews (NICNT Series) – A thorough exposition on the contrast between Melchizedek, the Levitical priesthood, and Christ.
David Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary – Provides an explanation of how Jewish tradition views Melchizedek, Levitical priesthood, and the transition in Hebrews 7-10.
George E. Ladd, A Theology of the New Testament – Discusses the role of the priesthood in New Testament theology.
John Owen, An Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrews – One of the most extensive Puritan commentaries on the book of Hebrews, used for historical theological comparison.
Summary of Sources Used
Greek Lexicons and Grammar – LSJ, BDAG, Wallace, Robertson
Biblical Textual Analysis – Textus Receptus, NA28, cross-referencing with Genesis, Psalms, Hebrews, and Galatians
Commentaries & Theology – Bauckham, Brown, Fruchtenbaum, Bruce, Stern, Ladd, Owen

Feel free to rebut this @Studyman.

J.

 

[Studyman]

Which of the 613 Laws of Moses would you like to keep, and which would you like to avoid, today?

Oh that's right, you could not name 267 of them, or even 66 of them, but you want to talk about the Law as if you have a clue.
You dont. @Pancho Frijoles

The teaching that God placed 613 Laws on the necks of men that trusted him is one of the most wicked and Evil teachings and judgments against God ever perpetuated by this world's religious system, AKA "Babylon". The God of Scriptures has never placed 613 Laws on the back of even ONE Man. You can find no evidence of this wicked teaching anywhere in the entire Bible. Jesus walked in Every Commandment given by God to men perfectly and called His Yoke Light. Men must go to the internet, and adopt the philosophy promoted therein for any support at all for this wicked and false teaching.

The philosophy many have adopted and are now promoting, that God, in fulfillment of His Promises to His friend Abraham, went to save Abraham's children from the influence of Egypt, (SIN) did great wonders and miracles among them to gain their trust, then when they voluntarily left with Him, He placed 613 impossible to obey Laws that they call, "A Yoke of Bondage", on their backs, lied to them by telling them they could obey them, then slaughtered them by the Thousands when they didn't, is a most wicked and evil judgment against God, and an insidious lie promoted by the prince of this world against Him.

I have shown you this before, and yet you still promote this lie, and are now using it to mock my friend Pancho.

I wish you would stop promoting this wickedness, so that other minds will not also become infected with this leaven.

There are some teachings that must be exposed, like selling Salvation as did the Pharisees in the temple, exposing religious traditions of man, and not from God, as Jesus did until they killed Him, and promoting wicked and evil judgments about God to others, to promote disobedience.

This whole 613 laws God placed on the necks of men scam, is one of the worst.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

There is only one kind of Christian: a Biblical Christian. And the Jews who followed Jesus and were born again are Christian. And Christians are still under the Law.

YA mind explaining that . True christians whether they were born of the gentiles or of the jews
are NOT UNDER THE LAW . now just cause we are not under the law
but under grace does that mean we make void the law . GOD FORBID , yea we establish the law
ITS ACTUALLY written on our hearts to now LOVE what GOD LOVETH and to call GOOD what HE calls good
and to hate the evil . However any man that looks to the law for his justification , BABY he is only CONDEMEND by the law
for all HAVE SINNED , all , THAT MEANS YOU TOO and ME TOO have fallen far short .
WE BETTER LOOK to CHRIST for our justification . AND , yes this is an dire important and , at least what follows the and is important
AND JESUS AINT THE MINISTIR OF SIN . so if our jesus supports sin , PARDNER It aint JESUS at all and it cannot save us

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Partially correct-

The Priesthood of Melchizedek vs. Levitical Priesthood (Hebrews 7)

Hebrews 7 contrasts the Levitical priesthood with the priesthood of Melchizedek, showing that the former was temporary and imperfect, whereas Christ’s priesthood (after the order of Melchizedek) is eternal and superior (Hebrews 7:11-28).

Your claim that Abraham was "under" Melchizedek’s priesthood overstates the text.

Hebrews 7:1-3 does not say Abraham was "under" Melchizedek’s priesthood in a covenantal sense; it simply states that Melchizedek was greater than Abraham since he blessed him and received tithes.

Melchizedek was a type of Christ, but there is no biblical evidence that Abraham was bound to his priesthood in the same way that Israel was bound to the Levitical priesthood under the Mosaic Covenant.

2. The Law Was Added 430 Years After Abraham (Galatians 3:17)
Correct Point: The Levitical priesthood was established under the Law of Moses, which came 430 years after God’s promises to Abraham (Galatians 3:17).

The argument that the "Law" being added refers specifically to the Levitical Priesthood is incorrect. Galatians 3:17-19 speaks of the Mosaic Law as a whole, not just the priesthood.

Paul’s point in Galatians 3 is that the Abrahamic Covenant was based on faith, whereas the Mosaic Law came later as a temporary measure until Christ.
The Levitical priesthood was part of that Mosaic Law, but the law itself had a broader function, including moral, ceremonial, and civil aspects.

3. The Superiority of Christ’s High Priesthood (Hebrews 8-10)
Correct Point-
Hebrews 8-10 argues that Christ’s priesthood surpasses the Levitical system.

The Old Covenant had a physical sanctuary, priestly ordinances, and animal sacrifices, but these were only shadows of the true reality in Christ (Hebrews 8:5, Hebrews 10:1).

Christ is now the High Priest of the true tabernacle, ministering before God in heaven (Hebrews 8:1-2).

The phrase "every high priest (of God, including Melchizedek)" is misleading because Melchizedek is never explicitly called a "high priest" in Hebrews—only Christ is.

Hebrews 8:3 does say, "For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices," but this is referring to Levitical high priests as a pattern that pointed to Christ’s ultimate priesthood.
The text does not suggest that Melchizedek offered sacrifices, as Levitical priests did.

4. The First Covenant vs. The New Covenant (Hebrews 9-10)
Correct Point-

The first covenant (Mosaic Covenant) included earthly ordinances, a physical tabernacle, and animal sacrifices (Hebrews 9:1-7).
These could never take away sins, but Christ’s blood does (Hebrews 9:12-14).

The phrase "when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God" (Hebrews 9:6) is not a reference to Melchizedek but to the Levitical priests under the Mosaic Covenant.

The function of the High Priest entering the Most Holy Place once a year (Hebrews 9:7) was exclusive to the Levitical system.
There is no evidence that Melchizedek performed similar rituals, since his role was typological rather than ceremonial.

5. Hebrews 10 and the End of the Sacrificial System

Hebrews 10:1-4 states that the Levitical sacrifices were shadows, not the real substance.
Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10-14) replaced the continual sacrifices of the Old Covenant.

Your claim "Jesus, the High Priest, have somewhat also to offer" (Hebrews 8:3) is misapplied when connected to Melchizedek.

Hebrews 8:3-6 explains that Jesus' offering is His own blood, which is different from Levitical sacrifices.

The Levitical priesthood was temporary, and the priesthood of Christ (after the order of Melchizedek) is eternal and superior.

Abraham was under Melchizedek’s priesthood in a binding covenantal sense—Scripture only shows that Abraham paid tithes to him (Hebrews 7:4-10).

The Law being added 430 years later refers only to the Levitical priesthood—Galatians 3:17-19 speaks of the entire Mosaic Law.
Correct- The New Covenant, established by Christ, replaces the Levitical priesthood and sacrificial system with a permanent High Priest and a once-for-all sacrifice.

Melchizedek offered sacrifices as a high priest—Hebrews never states this, and only Christ is called the High Priest in the New Testament.

Partially Correct but Needs Refinement
Your argument correctly contrasts the Levitical priesthood with Christ’s eternal priesthood, but it misapplies Melchizedek's role, misinterprets Galatians 3:17, and makes unwarranted assumptions about Abraham’s relationship to Melchizedek’s priesthood.

1. Greek and Textual Analysis:
Nestle-Aland 28th Edition (NA28) – Used for cross-referencing textual variants in Hebrews and Galatians.
Textus Receptus (Stephanus 1550 & Scrivener 1894) – Examined where relevant, particularly for Hebrews 7-10.
Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) Greek-English Lexicon – Provided lexical meanings of key terms such as nomos (νόμος, "law"), hiereus (ἱερεύς, "priest"), and leitourgia (λειτουργία, "service").
BDAG (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed.) – Consulted for lexical and syntactical meanings of words in Hebrews 7-10.
Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics – Provided grammatical insights, particularly on Greek participles in Hebrews 7-10.
A.T. Robertson, A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research – Used for morphological analysis of pisteuo (πιστεύω, "believe") and nomos (νόμος, "law").
2. Biblical Cross-References & Contextual Exegesis:
Genesis 14:18-20 – The only biblical reference to Melchizedek before the New Testament, where he receives tithes from Abraham but is not explicitly said to offer sacrifices.
Psalm 110:4 – The prophetic declaration of the Messiah’s priesthood “after the order of Melchizedek,” used as the foundation for Hebrews 7.
Hebrews 7:1-28 – The entire discussion on Melchizedek as a type of Christ rather than a covenantal mediator under whom Abraham functioned.
Hebrews 8:1-6 – The superiority of Christ’s priesthood, explaining that the Levitical system was only a shadow.
Hebrews 9:1-28 – The comparison between the Old Covenant sacrificial system and Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice.
Hebrews 10:1-14 – The explicit abolition of repeated sacrifices in favor of Christ’s singular atoning work.
Galatians 3:17-19 – Paul’s teaching on the Law being added 430 years later, clarifying that this refers to the entire Mosaic Law rather than just the Levitical priesthood.
3. Theological and Scholarly Sources:
Richard Bauckham, Jesus and the God of Israel – Addresses the Christological significance of Melchizedek in relation to Hebrews 7.
Michael L. Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus, Vol. 2: Theological Objections – Examines Hebrews 7-10 in the context of Jewish priesthood and covenant theology.
Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Israelology: The Missing Link in Systematic Theology – Discusses the role of Melchizedek within biblical and messianic theology.
F.F. Bruce, The Epistle to the Hebrews (NICNT Series) – A thorough exposition on the contrast between Melchizedek, the Levitical priesthood, and Christ.
David Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary – Provides an explanation of how Jewish tradition views Melchizedek, Levitical priesthood, and the transition in Hebrews 7-10.
George E. Ladd, A Theology of the New Testament – Discusses the role of the priesthood in New Testament theology.
John Owen, An Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrews – One of the most extensive Puritan commentaries on the book of Hebrews, used for historical theological comparison.
Summary of Sources Used
Greek Lexicons and Grammar – LSJ, BDAG, Wallace, Robertson
Biblical Textual Analysis – Textus Receptus, NA28, cross-referencing with Genesis, Psalms, Hebrews, and Galatians
Commentaries & Theology – Bauckham, Brown, Fruchtenbaum, Bruce, Stern, Ladd, Owen

Feel free to rebut this @Studyman.

J.

the question we should ask ourselves is
WHEN abraham was called
he was of the sons of shem . why do i say that . CAUSE THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING .
it dont matter what one was born , a jew or a gentile , the true people of GOD , FOLLOW AND OBEY HIM
in the early days men , some men thought the PROMISES of GOD given to ISRAEL
were not being fullfilled . WHY , cause not every jew was in line with CHRIST .
but paul was quick to write and to say
ITS simply NOT ALL OF ISRAEL is OF ISRAEL . in fact did you know
that throughout the ages that not even all of ISRAEL was truly OF ISRAEL . WITH MANY GOD WAS NOT WELL PLEASED .
GOD made the PROMISE to israel . A good land , a land they would inherit .
YET WHY were many often destroyed , why did even A lot of ISRAEL get REMOVED OUT of this land .
Friend the flesh of man profits not a man . GOD ALONE PROFITS a man
but if that man rejects him , SHOO WEE it dont matter if he was jewish born or gentile born , BABY HE GONNA WAIL .
GOD wont be denied my friend . AND HE WILL NOT deny HIMSELF . THUS HE WONT DENY THE SON .
This warrior who warns agaisnt that which is of anti christ , FRIEND he wont be slowing down .
Budda cannot save them no matter how kind and caring they may have appeared to be
From the loving grandma to the grandpa who seemed to give his shirt off his back to help others
IF JESUS IS DENIED , THEY FRIED . YOU cannot DENY GOD and if one rejects CHRIST , MAN they just DENIED GOD .
And if one who even cliams to believe on CHRIST denies HIs words , WELL THEY DENIED HIM . its that serious .

 

[Marvelloustime]

the question we should ask ourselves is
WHEN abraham was called
he was of the sons of shem . why do i say that . CAUSE THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING .
it dont matter what one was born , a jew or a gentile , the true people of GOD , FOLLOW AND OBEY HIM
in the early days men , some men thought the PROMISES of GOD given to ISRAEL
were not being fullfilled . WHY , cause not every jew was in line with CHRIST .
but paul was quick to write and to say
ITS simply NOT ALL OF ISRAEL is OF ISRAEL . in fact did you know
that throughout the ages that not even all of ISRAEL was truly OF ISRAEL . WITH MANY GOD WAS NOT WELL PLEASED .
GOD made the PROMISE to israel . A good land , a land they would inherit .
YET WHY were many often destroyed , why did even A lot of ISRAEL get REMOVED OUT of this land .
Friend the flesh of man profits not a man . GOD ALONE PROFITS a man
but if that man rejects him , SHOO WEE it dont matter if he was jewish born or gentile born , BABY HE GONNA WAIL .
GOD wont be denied my friend . AND HE WILL NOT deny HIMSELF . THUS HE WONT DENY THE SON .
This warrior who warns agaisnt that which is of anti christ , FRIEND he wont be slowing down .
Budda cannot save them no matter how kind and caring they may have appeared to be
From the loving grandma to the grandpa who seemed to give his shirt off his back to help others
IF JESUS IS DENIED , THEY FRIED . YOU cannot DENY GOD and if one rejects CHRIST , MAN they just DENIED GOD .
And if one who even cliams to believe on CHRIST denies HIs words , WELL THEY DENIED HIM . its that serious .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

being grave aint a sin , being gravey IS SIN . and we better all make a fast exodus
from the doctrines of men and a quick entrodus back into that bible to simply learn for ourselves
the very thing that many no longer truly teach , THE TRUTH .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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yet some read one verse that says He will never leave thee or forsake thee and that to them means
IF even we forsake HIM he wont forsake us . THIS GEN is in deadly and dire danger . i say again deadly and dire danger .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes indeed we are not under the law .
And the love of GOD shed upon our hearts fullfills the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law .
Would you like to know what the LOVE of GOD does not do .
MAKE VOID , trangress the law . Many seem to embrace rainbows and even other religoins as valid ways
holding up hundred dollar bills , supporting murder and even calling that love .
I DONT SEE THE LOVE OF GOD AT ALL in that mess . I see something else .
One who can quoate the scrips , EVEN can say GOD is love and yet HE TWISTS what is written to support lies and sin .
About the only one I KNOW who did that , was the serpent .
Many now preach hate as love and LOVE as hate .
I guess you would like an example of that last line .
Okay my friend , heres one .
YE SHALL NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way CORRECT him and not allow SIN upon him .
YET I SEE a version of a judge not correct not love getting sold that DO ALLOW brethren to remain in error
and in sin , that do allow EVEN UNBELIEF in CHRIST . THAT AINT NO LOVE OF GOD at work in them my friend .
That is hate coming from a murderer who has always desired the death of humanity
and just knows how to pander to the flesh of man . NOT looking good at all my friend . KEEP on in the trenches my friend .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Marvelloustime]

YA mind explaining that . True christians whether they were born of the gentiles or of the jews
are NOT UNDER THE LAW . now just cause we are not under the law
but under grace does that mean we make void the law . GOD FORBID , yea we establish the law
ITS ACTUALLY written on our hearts to now LOVE what GOD LOVETH and to call GOOD what HE calls good
and to hate the evil . However any man that looks to the law for his justification , BABY he is only CONDEMEND by the law
for all HAVE SINNED , all , THAT MEANS YOU TOO and ME TOO have fallen far short .
WE BETTER LOOK to CHRIST for our justification . AND , yes this is an dire important and , at least what follows the and is important
AND JESUS AINT THE MINISTIR OF SIN . so if our jesus supports sin , PARDNER It aint JESUS at all and it cannot save us

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[jeremiah1five]

YA mind explaining that . True christians whether they were born of the gentiles or of the jews
are NOT UNDER THE LAW .

You long have held to the error that when "Christian" is mentioned you think of Gentiles but there is no record of non-Hebrew Gentiles being born-again and being Gentile.
At Pentecost three thousand Jews attending the Jewish Feast of Harves lived in Jerusalem and throughout Israel as well as visitors from all over the Roman Empire. All one need do is understand the languages that the eleven disciples were speaking:

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:6–11.



These Jews were speaking at least seventeen dialects and languages. And when these Jews returned home on Roman roads they took with them a summary of Peter's sermon, the Holy Spirit of Promise (PROMISED TO ISRAEL - Joel), and their experiences and testimony of Jesus of Nazareth, Israel's claimed King and Messiah and the Prophet like unto Moses. Only Jews were at this celebration. Uncircumcised, unclean, Gentiles were not invited nor were they present. And these three thousand newly born-again Jews became Christian or Christ-followers. All Jews that looked forward to the arrival of their Messiah were Christian (Messiah.) Acts 2:47 says Jesus added to His Church hundreds and thousands daily such as should be saved. With the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise Israel entered the era of the New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah. And it took them time to reason out the Scripture and come to understand more and more each day about the New Covenant era Israel found themselves in.

now just cause we are not under the law
but under grace does that mean we make void the law .

The subject matter where "we are under grace and not the Law" has SIN as the subject Saul was writing about.
Sin.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:14.

GOD FORBID , yea we establish the law
ITS ACTUALLY written on our hearts to now LOVE what GOD LOVETH and to call GOOD what HE calls good
and to hate the evil . However any man that looks to the law for his justification , BABY he is only CONDEMEND by the law
for all HAVE SINNED , all , THAT MEANS YOU TOO and ME TOO have fallen far short .

Yes, there may have been religious leaders and Jews in general that may have held that their justification came from the Law until Saul - maybe Apollos and others - rightly understood that as far as their being born-again it is in this event of their new birth that was their justification and God declared them "Not Guilty!" because of what Jesus accomplished on the cross. And just because the only writings we have are Saul's Roman letter (AD 64) doesn't mean that from Pentecost (AD 32) going forward that some might have under stood in their enlightening of the Spirit things that Saul would later write about. Priests were being born-again and these men knew the Scripture. Jesus' promise that "when He is come He shall guide you into all truth" (Jn. 16:13) applied to them also. The building of the Church did not wait until Saul came on the scene with his journey's and letter-writing, especially when he penned:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim. 3:16–17.

I'm sure there were many that understood that obeying the Law upon one's own obedience did not bring justification, but it was after they were born-again and God declared them "Not Guilty!" they looked to the Law for "instruction in righteousness" (right living.) Remember, after the road to Damascus Saul disappeared for about 14-17 years to study as a rabbi and Pharisee would study. That how he received his "revelation" (Gal. 1.) When we study under the anointing like Saul the Lord gives us revelation of His Word just the same.

WE BETTER LOOK to CHRIST for our justification . AND , yes this is an dire important and , at least what follows the and is important
AND JESUS AINT THE MINISTIR OF SIN . so if our jesus supports sin , PARDNER It aint JESUS at all and it cannot save us

I'm sure the Lord illuminated His people to understand "justification" and the declaration later by Saul that the Law is established in the New Covenant era in the Holy Spirit.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom. 3:31.

Who are the one's that awaited Messiah (Christ)? The Hebrews/Jews.
Who are the first and original Messiah-ites/Christians?
The Hebrews/Jews.
And Jesus added Jews to His Church daily such as should be saved: Jews.
And they remained under the Law under a new dynamic having been born again of the Spirit.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes indeed we are not under the law .
And the love of GOD shed upon our hearts fullfills the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law .
Would you like to know what the LOVE of GOD does not do .
MAKE VOID , trangress the law . Many seem to embrace rainbows and even other religoins as valid ways
holding up hundred dollar bills , supporting murder and even calling that love .
I DONT SEE THE LOVE OF GOD AT ALL in that mess . I see something else .
One who can quoate the scrips , EVEN can say GOD is love and yet HE TWISTS what is written to support lies and sin .
About the only one I KNOW who did that , was the serpent .
Many now preach hate as love and LOVE as hate .
I guess you would like an example of that last line .
Okay my friend , heres one .
YE SHALL NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way CORRECT him and not allow SIN upon him .
YET I SEE a version of a judge not correct not love getting sold that DO ALLOW brethren to remain in error
and in sin , that do allow EVEN UNBELIEF in CHRIST . THAT AINT NO LOVE OF GOD at work in them my friend .
That is hate coming from a murderer who has always desired the death of humanity
and just knows how to pander to the flesh of man . NOT looking good at all my friend . KEEP on in the trenches my friend .

I think you need to come under the anointing and be instructed in the Word of God, especially in love.
God never gave His love to non-Hebrew Gentiles. God doesn't even have covenant with Gentiles.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

The high priest never left Israel and visit the Gentiles to offer sacrifices and to sprinkle Gentiles with the blood of the sacrifice, and if Jesus fulfilled the Law as High Priest neither did He.

 

[Dizerner]

The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.got?

The OT Law WAS love God and love your neighbor, that's what Jesus said.

The moral Law is binding on all flesh, that's why it stops every mouth as guilty.

Christ did not just free us from the ceremonial law—he freed us from the obligation to be morally perfect.

 

[civic]

The OT Law WAS love God and love your neighbor, that's what Jesus said.

The moral Law is binding on all flesh, that's why it stops every mouth as guilty.

Christ did not just free us from the ceremonial law—he freed us from the obligation to be morally perfect.

Jesus said to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. There isnowhere in the bible saying Jesus freed for the obligation to be morally perfect. Thats saying He freed us to not obey Him.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

I think you need to come under the anointing and be instructed in the Word of God, especially in love.
God never gave His love to non-Hebrew Gentiles. God doesn't even have covenant with Gentiles.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

The high priest never left Israel and visit the Gentiles to offer sacrifices and to sprinkle Gentiles with the blood of the sacrifice, and if Jesus fulfilled the Law as High Priest neither did He.

You wanna know why i find so odd
you go around teaching per say all this stuff
taken and twisted of course .
Yet fellow ye sure are wasting your time here . what do i mean .
Pardner i aint hebrew so , according to you , WELL ITS JUST TOO LATES for me . CAUSE GOD only came to call the hebrews .
So go on , ask anyone here how many hebrews we have on this site . THEN you go preach your tale of the fairy to those folks .
Ya been duped my friend . ALL nations , MEANS ALL NATIONS . to the hebrew and to the gentile and the two shall be made one .
FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS . hebrew or gentile , FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS .

 

[jeremiah1five]

The OT Law WAS love God and love your neighbor, that's what Jesus said.

It is more than that. But as a summary the Law and those under the Law (children of Israel) they would look at understanding and interpreting the Law through the lens of loving God (where responsibility of the children of Israel to God is mandated) and among the children of Israel (where their responsibility to each other is mandated) is found. What Jesus did was guide the people from obeying the Law from duty to obeying the Law from love. And once God instructed the children of Israel in what is love including who to love and why to love and when to love (while living under the letter of the Law), the children of Israel were given the boundaries of love in general in preparation to receiving God's love intimately when a covenant person became born-again (in the New Covenant era.) And this was expressed in the tension between the religious leaders and the people understanding the letter of the Law and the Law which Jesus taught from a spirit of the Law perspective. Until the Holy Spirit of Promise was given all Israel knew was letter of the Law. But when a covenant person became born-again, then they understood the spirit of the Law and the love they were given to express their obedience to it.

The moral Law is binding on all flesh, that's why it stops every mouth as guilty.

Incorrect. The Law of Moses (God) was not given to "all flesh." It was given to only the children of Israel. It doesn't have to be given to "all flesh" for all flesh to be judged by it.

Christ did not just free us from the ceremonial law—he freed us from the obligation to be morally perfect.

Incorrect. There is a reason Saul said the Law was "nailed to His cross" It has been inconsistent for some to believe the Law was "abolished" or "obsolete" especially considering what Saul said above. Both the Law and Jesus were "nailed to a cross) and to think that only one was resurrected and not the other is incomplete reasoning. When Jesus resurrected so, too, was the Law resurrected in newness of life. The Law was always spiritual, but covenant Israel was flesh and this was the reason it "killeth." But once a covenant person became born again and natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel, then the Law could not 'touch' a covenant person and slay him (or her.) The dynamic between the Law which was spiritual and a covenant person who was born again of the Spirit changed. And the change is tied to the work completed by Jesus. Understand this and how the dynamic was changed, and you will understand why the Law was still necessary to the born-again covenant person.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

I think you need to come under the anointing and be instructed in the Word of God, especially in love.
God never gave His love to non-Hebrew Gentiles. God doesn't even have covenant with Gentiles.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

The high priest never left Israel and visit the Gentiles to offer sacrifices and to sprinkle Gentiles with the blood of the sacrifice, and if Jesus fulfilled the Law as High Priest neither did He.

As usual men made stuff .
Try reading the prayer of solomon friend . Go on peek at it . Exactly .