Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

[mikesw]

Trinitarians can't quote where the Bible says anything about their three person god, but Unitarians can quote explicit, direct, statements the one person God.

God is a singular person...

Isaiah 45
5I am the LORD, and there is no other;
there is no God but Me.
I will equip you for battle,
though you have not known Me,

no one said there are separate Lords. We know Jesus is Lord. Oops. I don't seem to speak the doctrine of unitarians here.

who created alone...

Indeed there are no other gods that created all things. But John 1 shows all things were created by means of the Word's participation.

Isaiah 44
24Thus says the LORD,
your Redeemer who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD,
who has made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who by Myself spread out the earth,

then Jesus revealed the Father is alone the true God....

So you are saying Jesus is a fraud -- a fake claim to having preexistence as the Word.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

Oops. You forgot John 17:5 about the preexistence of Jesus. You keep making that mistake.

 

[Runningman]

no one said there are separate Lords. We know Jesus is Lord. Oops. I don't seem to speak the doctrine of unitarians here.


Indeed there are no other gods that created all things. But John 1 shows all things were created by means of the Word's participation.

So you are saying Jesus is a fraud -- a fake claim to having preexistence as the Word.

Oops. You forgot John 17:5 about the preexistence of Jesus. You keep making that mistake.

This reads like sheer panic, accusations, and gas lighting. You have completely ignored Scripture about God being one person known as the Father who created alone and seemingly feverishly invented a laundry list of accusations. As you are well aware, keep the false accusations coming. I really don't mind and I never even dignify them with a response.

Stick to the scripture. Be a man and show where anyone talked about your god the same way they talked about my God.

 

[mikesw]

This reads like sheer panic, accusations, and gas lighting. You have completely ignored Scripture about God being one person known as the Father who created alone and seemingly feverishly invented a laundry list of accusations. As you are well aware, keep the false accusations coming. I really don't mind and I never even dignify them with a response.

Stick to the scripture. Be a man and show where anyone talked about your god the same way they talked about my God.

worse than merely the claims you are pushing, you reject the testimony of Jesus as the incarnation of the Word who was God and was with God. Those two phrases used together show his preexistence as deity with 100% certainty. I would follow scripture before I follow your beliefs. The question never has been whether the Father is God. The question is whether Jesus also is one with the Father because he came out of deity.

 

[Peterlag]

Many Trinitarians misunderstand me.

I'm not asking what you think. I'm asking to show me where in the Bible it says why God would come to the Earth as a man. In other words, what did that accomplish? Trinitarians say because only God could redeem us. And therein lies the misunderstanding because I'm looking for a verse that says God came to the Earth to redeem us and I can't find a Bible verse like that.

Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).