Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

[amazing grace]

Apparently you didn't read what I said or you didn't understand what I said:

Oh, so you really do want to change the subject? Okay.....

Nor do you understand the HEIR of all things have been HIGHLY EXAULTED and given a name which is ABOVE every name.

Yes, I understand that Jesus has been highly exalted and he is the heir of all things and given at name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. Jesus being the heir means that he is not the owner, i.e. Yahweh but he has inherited all things from God his Father.

1. You tend to want to keep Christ Jesus as child or the Incarnate Christ that was the rule of earthly men. He isn't that weak and frail "Person" that walked the face of this earth. In fact, Paul said very clearly, that no knows Christ after the flesh no more. Do you remember?

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

So stop trying to focus upon the man Christ Jesus that used the bathroom and clean himself when he soiled his diapers as a baby.

HE GREW UP.

I don't recall ever saying anything remotely of what you have said above of Jesus Christ. Maybe you can pull up where I said that Jesus was still a weak and frail child?

2. Since you have authority over your children, you well understand that they are mature now. Capable. Independent. Operating independently of YOU.

What you don't understand is how you dishonor what they are now with this crazy context of them still being a child to you.

They are your equals. They are YOU. YOU made them that way through the relationship you had with them. Such is the same thing that Jesus Christ experienced as a man.

I said: "Our adult children are no longer under our discipline or supervision and we treat them as the adults they are........" They are NOT ME, they are their own individuals. They may have some of my characteristics through their relationship with me BUT THEY ARE in no way ME.

Now. Stop. Think for a minute. Even as a man, Christ Jesus is equal to HIS FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So WHO is the FATHER of Jesus Christ and why do you dishonor this perfect relationship that existed between the FATHER and the SON?

You seem to forget what Jesus said: My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. [John 10:29]

You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. [John 14:28]

Yahweh is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ --- His God is my God and his Father is my Father.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I presuppose that the economic Trinity as revealed in the Bible accurately represents to finite creation who and what God is but, at the same time, the economic Trinity is by no means all that is God. Case in point, The Trinity or the attributes of Godness manifest equally in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Then you have the term perichoresis—the personal indwelling of each member of the Trinity in the other—as the primary sense of divine unity. There are three who are God yet one God.

There is no such thing as the "economic Trinity". There is no division between Divinity and Humanity. Christ is not divided. The humanity of Jesus Christ is not subordinate in any sense of some imaginary "economy/administration".

 

[praise_yeshua]

Oh, so you really do want to change the subject? Okay.....

The subject is Jesus Christ. I wouldn't dare try to change Him. You're not controlling anything. So stop this nonsense. Where is your husband? Maybe he can rule over you and tell you how dishonest you're being.

Yes, I understand that Jesus has been highly exalted and he is the heir of all things and given at name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. Jesus being the heir means that he is not the owner, i.e. Yahweh but he has inherited all things from God his Father.

There are Eternal things and Heavenly things. Care to detail the difference and what you're talking about specifically? Please give a distinct and detailed response. I don't believe you actually believe this.

I don't recall ever saying anything remotely of what you have said above of Jesus Christ. Maybe you can pull up where I said that Jesus was still a weak and frail child?

More dishonesty from you. You don't have to say it. It is a description of how you're treating Jesus Christ. I used a contrast to how he should be treated to describe it.

I said: "Our adult children are no longer under our discipline or supervision and we treat them as the adults they are........" They are NOT ME, they are their own individuals. They may have some of my characteristics through their relationship with me BUT THEY ARE in no way ME.

So they didn't become "ONE FLESH" through the union of your seed and the seed of your husband. They certainly operate independently, but YOU are responsible for what they've become. They are a combination of the origins of your seeds. So they are BOTH in some context you and not you. Pay attention to this. Jesus was born of the seed of Mary. The Father never became flesh.

You seem to forget what Jesus said: My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. [John 10:29]

AH. Good. Good. Maybe you forgot the following....

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

So. Have YOU kept anyone? I look forward to your answer. Be sure to run it by your husband. Wouldn't want you to "step out of line"....

Maybe you should say "my husband said this" or I come "in the name of my husband"....

Jesus KEEP His disciples. Just like the Father keeps people. I wonder what that means.....

You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. [John 14:28]

Yahweh is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ --- His God is my God and his Father is my Father.

He was made LOWER than the angels for suffering. Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels;

Which means HE CAME FROM SOMEWHERE HIGHER!!!

So pay attention to ALL the context of the existence/life of Jesus Christ.

In all honesty, I don't believe you actually love Jesus Christ. I don't see how you can given how you dishonor the relationship He has with the Father.

 

[Darby]

There is no such thing as the "economic Trinity". There is no division between Divinity and Humanity. Christ is not divided. The humanity of Jesus Christ is not subordinate in any sense of some imaginary "economy/administration".

The economic Trinity, deals with the activity of God and the roles of the three persons with regard to creation and redemption.

The economic Trinity is often discussed in conjunction with the “ontological Trinity,” a term that refers to the co-equal nature of the Persons of the Trinity. The term “economic Trinity” focuses on what God does; “ontological Trinity” focuses on who God is. Taken together, these two terms present the paradox of the Trinity: the Father, Son, and Spirit share one nature, but they are different Persons and have different roles. The Trinity is both united and distinct.

 

[Studyman]

"Hens" is rather common expression. I didn't invent it. I used it for a reason. It is "play" upon common characterizations. You'll notice it eventually.

It was the attitude of dealing with relationships that causes the friction.

Do you plan on ruling your wife throughout Eternity or will she finally become your equal? Sincere question. A revealing question. Don't act offended. Roar, roar, roar....

Bullies and narcissistic behavior doesn't offend me. They are annoying and frustrating no doubt, but I look at them as Shimei's to test me to see if I will rule over the frustration, or let it rule over me. Sometimes I pass the test, other times, when I'm not thinking right, I don't. The goal is to always be on guard for these tests of Faith. I, like Paul, press towards that mark every day.

In an attempt to get back to my post you replied to, which had nothing to do with me "ruling" over my wife, it is clear that you lack understanding about the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible. God didn't force or "Rule over" Jesus. Jesus doesn't force me, or "Rule over me" and I don't force my wife, or "rule over" my wife, in the perverted manner in which you used the word..

According to the Holy Scriptures in my understanding, Jesus "Yielded Himself", or as it is written, "Humbled Himself" a servant to obey God. He voluntarily "Offered Himself" a living sacrifice to God. He Submitted Himself under God's Rule, including His Hierarchy. In like manner, those who "turn to God", do so of their own choice. They "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. They deny themselves, and submit to God's Rule, including His Hierarchy. In like manner, my wife also "Yielded herself" to God, and submitted herself to God's Rule, including submitting to His Hierarchy. And this is a world in which other voices exist, that profess to know God, that tries to deceive us into believing God lied. Just as Eve was placed in the same world. The voice will say, "You can't please God", "You don't Love God", you can't obey Jesus, and on and on. Jude warns of this in Jude 1.

So she strives within her heart to abide by God instruction in righteousness for a mother and a wife. Her husband, strives within his heart to abide by God's Instruction in Righteousness for a dad and a husband.

In this way they become sons and daughters of God, and are One with Him, even as Jesus and His Father are One.

The question about "ruling over my wife" in eternity is foolish and sophomoric, and is everything but "sincere". And not only does it expose the malice in the heart, , but also a lack of understanding.

Matt. 22: 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

If a husband is a Godly husband, and his wife is a Godly wife, are they not equal?

 

[praise_yeshua]

The economic Trinity, deals with the activity of God and the roles of the three persons with regard to creation and redemption.

The economic Trinity is often discussed in conjunction with the “ontological Trinity,” a term that refers to the co-equal nature of the Persons of the Trinity. The term “economic Trinity” focuses on what God does; “ontological Trinity” focuses on who God is. Taken together, these two terms present the paradox of the Trinity: the Father, Son, and Spirit share one nature, but they are different Persons and have different roles. The Trinity is both united and distinct.

There is no difference between the "economic Trinity" and the "ontological Trinity". The "economic Trinity" is an unneeded classification. It has no place in the teaching of the Holy Trinity. It is a false distinction without merit.

 

[Runningman]

I see you're no longer peddling your "“you, the true God alone” devious rewording of John 17:3. We sunk that devious attempt of yours and you're stopped ranting against ""you, the only true God" which supports Monotheism and the Greek, which in turn is supported by Trinitarianism. You're well on your way to becoming a Trinitarian!

The Father certainly is God as is the Word (John 1:1c) who tabernacled as Jesus (John 1:14).

Keep those Trinitarian verses coming!

Yours and @praise_yeshua's argument has essentially been "John 17:3 doesn't mean the Father is alone the true God" despite it explicitly saying such. This is one of the most ignorant and deceptive arguments I have seen presented on this very board.

Of course the Father is alone the true God. Not only did Jesus explicitly say so, but the entire Bible is in line with that. You've been shown all of those ways, remember them now; your denials will not age well.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Bullies and narcissistic behavior doesn't offend me. They are annoying and frustrating no doubt, but I look at them as Shimei's to test me to see if I will rule over the frustration, or let it rule over me. Sometimes I pass the test, other times, when I'm not thinking right, I don't. The goal is to always be on guard for these tests of Faith. I, like Paul, press towards that mark every day.

Roosters crow. Not hens. You might be a rooster. Consider it a test.

In an attempt to get back to my post you replied to, which had nothing to do with me "ruling" over my wife, it is clear that you lack understanding about the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible. God didn't force or "Rule over" Jesus. Jesus doesn't force me, or "Rule over me" and I don't force my wife, or "rule over" my wife, in the perverted manner in which you used the word..

You do. If you require your wife to consult you, like you stated, then you're "ruling" over her. My wife consults me and I consult her because we LOVE one another. Why you do the things you do are very important. They separate the earthly from the heavenly.

According to the Holy Scriptures in my understanding, Jesus "Yielded Himself", or as it is written, "Humbled Himself" a servant to obey God. He voluntarily "Offered Himself" a living sacrifice to God. He Submitted Himself under God's Rule, including His Hierarchy. In like manner, those who "turn to God", do so of their own choice. They "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. They deny themselves, and submit to God's Rule, including His Hierarchy. In like manner, my wife also "Yielded herself" to God, and submitted herself to God's Rule, including submitting to His Hierarchy. And this is a world in which other voices exist, that profess to know God, that tries to deceive us into believing God lied. Just as Eve was placed in the same world. The voice will say, "You can't please God", "You don't Love God", you can't obey Jesus, and on and on. Jude warns of this in Jude 1.

Got to love this "yielding" part. You're something else. The "humbling himself" wasn't about obeying God. He ALWAYS does what pleased the father. Always. "Humbling" not required.

Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

YOU must obey. Don't compare yourself to Jesus. You're of a much lesser sort.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yours and @praise_yeshua's argument has essentially been "John 17:3 doesn't mean the Father is alone the true God" despite it explicitly saying such. This is one of the most ignorant and deceptive arguments I have seen presented on this very board.

Of course the Father is alone the true God. Not only did Jesus explicitly say so, but the entire Bible is in line with that. You've been shown all of those ways, remember them now; your denials will not age well.

If the Father hasn't left Jesus alone..... then what does that mean to you?

Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

You need to stop making these silly connections you're making. You could.... actually deal with what I said. I don't expect you to, but you could.

 

[civic]

Care to explain how you think this is my construct?

John 17:3
σὲ τὸν μόνον ἀληθινὸν Θεὸν
You The Only/Alone/Sole True God

It explicitly says that in the Greek. You are trying to minimize what it says because this verse is a threat to the trinity. The fact that this verse can be translated as “And this is eternal life: that they may know you, the true God alone, and Jesus Christ whom you sent" is a powerful testament to the authenticity and validity of Unitarianism and it actually nullifies trinitarianism. If this explicit statement about God doesn't get your attention, I really don't know what will. A hardened and darkened heart is a real thing.

Jesus entire point is that the Father and Son are co equal regarding eternal life. And we know eternal life is only found in God alone, not in any man.

next fallacy

 

[civic]

Bullies and narcissistic behavior doesn't offend me. They are annoying and frustrating no doubt, but I look at them as Shimei's to test me to see if I will rule over the frustration, or let it rule over me. Sometimes I pass the test, other times, when I'm not thinking right, I don't. The goal is to always be on guard for these tests of Faith. I, like Paul, press towards that mark every day.

In an attempt to get back to my post you replied to, which had nothing to do with me "ruling" over my wife, it is clear that you lack understanding about the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible. God didn't force or "Rule over" Jesus. Jesus doesn't force me, or "Rule over me" and I don't force my wife, or "rule over" my wife, in the perverted manner in which you used the word..

According to the Holy Scriptures in my understanding, Jesus "Yielded Himself", or as it is written, "Humbled Himself" a servant to obey God. He voluntarily "Offered Himself" a living sacrifice to God. He Submitted Himself under God's Rule, including His Hierarchy. In like manner, those who "turn to God", do so of their own choice. They "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. They deny themselves, and submit to God's Rule, including His Hierarchy. In like manner, my wife also "Yielded herself" to God, and submitted herself to God's Rule, including submitting to His Hierarchy. And this is a world in which other voices exist, that profess to know God, that tries to deceive us into believing God lied. Just as Eve was placed in the same world. The voice will say, "You can't please God", "You don't Love God", you can't obey Jesus, and on and on. Jude warns of this in Jude 1.

So she strives within her heart to abide by God instruction in righteousness for a mother and a wife. Her husband, strives within his heart to abide by God's Instruction in Righteousness for a dad and a husband.

In this way they become sons and daughters of God, and are One with Him, even as Jesus and His Father are One.

The question about "ruling over my wife" in eternity is foolish and sophomoric, and is everything but "sincere". And not only does it expose the malice in the heart, , but also a lack of understanding.

Matt. 22: 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

If a husband is a Godly husband, and his wife is a Godly wife, are they not equal?

Jesus doesn't rule over you ?

if not you are not His its as simple as that.

Real Believers are SLAVES of Christ and He is their MASTER/ ONLY LORD/ONLY SOVEREIGN who rules over them.

you greatly errrrrrrrrrrrrr. not knowing Jesus or the scriptures

next fallacy......................

 

[Darby]

There is no difference between the "economic Trinity" and the "ontological Trinity". The "economic Trinity" is an unneeded classification. It has no place in the teaching of the Holy Trinity. It is a false distinction without merit.

Economic Trinity refers to the various roles of the members of the Trinity in the administration "economy" of the plan of salvation.

Economy is the administration of the plan of salvation.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus doesn't rule over you ?

if not you are not His its as simple as that.

Real Believers are SLAVES of Christ and He is their MASTER/ ONLY LORD/ONLY SOVEREIGN who rules over them.

you greatly errrrrrrrrrrrrr. not knowing Jesus or the scriptures

next fallacy......................

Exactly. It is one of the distinct differences that needs to be addressed.

Christ wasn't a "slave" to the Father. Even though Christ became a man, He was never a "SLAVE" to the Father.

You don't need slaves when you're of the same Nature/Character. It one of the reasons I really hate this silly classification of the "economic Trinity".

Goes does what HE IS. It is the very definition/characterization of the expressed name of God. "I AM that I AM".

 

[civic]

Exactly. It is one of the distinct differences that needs to be addressed.

Christ wasn't a "slave" to the Father. Even though Christ became a man, He was never a "SLAVE" to the Father.

You don't need slaves when you're of the same Nature/Character. It one of the reasons I really hate this silly classification of the "economic Trinity".

Goes does what HE IS. It is the very definition/characterization of the expressed name of God. "I AM that I AM".

Yep

 

[praise_yeshua]

Economic Trinity refers to the various roles of the members of the Trinity in the administration "economy" of the plan of salvation.

Economy is the administration of the plan of salvation.

Not true and not needed. You've learned the Holy Trinity from someone that doesn't understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

"Got Questions" isn't truly Trinitarian.

 

[civic]

Exactly. It is one of the distinct differences that needs to be addressed.

Christ wasn't a "slave" to the Father. Even though Christ became a man, He was never a "SLAVE" to the Father.

You don't need slaves when you're of the same Nature/Character. It one of the reasons I really hate this silly classification of the "economic Trinity".

Goes does what HE IS. It is the very definition/characterization of the expressed name of God. "I AM that I AM".

I think we need to define our terms- even the Trinity can be mis-explained by trinitarians and the same with terms like" "economic" with the Trinity.

I just said this this morning in the mens discipleship group at our church about the Trinity when the leader of the group was talkinbg about the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit. I qouted Jesus own words in John 16.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you."

Notice the H.S. only says and does what the Son tells Him to say and do. Jesus also said He only says and does what He sees the Father saying and doing.

I went back to God is love and what that love relationship is like within the Tri-Unity of God. We know a unitarian god ccannot be love or know love as a solitary person its an oxymoron.

And God created man/woman in His image to reflect that love- to reflect His image in man. The two shall become One flesh- Unity in relationship built upon love

Gods other Divine institution is the church- this is the same thing. God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of the church. God has appointed leaders/elders to lead the flock. The body though with many parts are in need of all the body to function properly. And Jesus said all men will know you are my disciples by your love for one another. Love being the hallmark of the believer in loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength and your neighbor as yourself.

We all have different roles in our relationships that reflect the nature and character of God- love being the key. Submission is a beautiful thing as we see Christ submitted to the Father to do His will and accomplish our salvation. The submission of the wife with her husband is a beautiful thing especially when the husband loves his wife as Christ loved the church. The same is true in the body of Christ.

God is a 4 letter word- God is love.

 

[civic]

Our Blessed Trinity in Action

Ephesians 1:3-14
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.


1-Paul gives praise, glory and honor to the Father in 1:3-6
2-Paul gives praise, glory and honor to the Son in 1:7-12
3-Paul gives praise, glory and honor to the Holy Spirit in 1:13-14

1-Salvation is Assigned by the Father
2-Salvation is Achieved through the Son
3-Salvation is Active from the Holy Spirit

Salvation is administered and assigned by the Father, accomplished and achieved through the Son and applied and activated by the Holy Spirit. We see the Trinity in action in the Redemption of the believer.

hope this helps !!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think we need to define our terms- even the Trinity can be mis-explained by trinitarians and the same with terms like" "economic" with the Trinity.

I just said this this morning in the mens discipleship group at our church about the Trinity when the leader of the group was talkinbg about the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit. I qouted Jesus own words in John 16.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you."

Notice the H.S. only says and does what the Son tells Him to say and do. Jesus also said He only says and does what He sees the Father saying and doing.

I went back to God is love and what that love relationship is like within the Tri-Unity of God. We know a unitarian god ccannot be love or know love as a solitary person its an oxymoron.

And God created man/woman in His image to reflect that love- to reflect His image in man. The two shall become One flesh- Unity in relationship built upon love

Gods other Divine institution is the church- this is the same thing. God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of the church. God has appointed leaders/elders to lead the flock. The body though with many parts are in need of all the body to function properly. And Jesus said all men will know you are my disciples by your love for one another. Love being the hallmark of the believer in loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength and your neighbor as yourself.

We all have different roles in our relationships that reflect the nature and character of God- love being the key. Submission is a beautiful thing as we see Christ submitted to the Father to do His will and accomplish our salvation. The submission of the wife with her husband is a beautiful thing especially when the husband loves his wife as Christ loved the church. The same is true in the body of Christ.

God is a 4 letter word- God is love.

I'm fine when someone makes the argument that the "economic" Trinity and the "ontological" Trinity are one in the same. However, when someone starts insisting (like Got Questions. One of the first returned results in Google) that it is only the economic Trinity that describes what you said above.

From a human perspective, there is this context, even within "love", with unwillingness that requires submission to operate as "love" to do the things "we do".

Such isn't the case with the Holy Trinity. Given our current condition as human beings, it almost impossible to really understand this in our bodies. It is so contrary to us in experience.... that it is beyond our comprehension. One day, we will experience it ourselves.

God doesn't have our problems. Our weaknesses. Our inabilities. Though Christ became flesh, He did not take upon Himself our inabilities to understand love completely. (In experience)

There is much to unpack from what I just said. It is a good conversation to have. I know we agree though we might say it differently.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think we need to define our terms- even the Trinity can be mis-explained by trinitarians and the same with terms like" "economic" with the Trinity.

I just said this this morning in the mens discipleship group at our church about the Trinity when the leader of the group was talkinbg about the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit. I qouted Jesus own words in John 16.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you."

Notice the H.S. only says and does what the Son tells Him to say and do. Jesus also said He only says and does what He sees the Father saying and doing.

I went back to God is love and what that love relationship is like within the Tri-Unity of God. We know a unitarian god ccannot be love or know love as a solitary person its an oxymoron.

And God created man/woman in His image to reflect that love- to reflect His image in man. The two shall become One flesh- Unity in relationship built upon love

Gods other Divine institution is the church- this is the same thing. God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of the church. God has appointed leaders/elders to lead the flock. The body though with many parts are in need of all the body to function properly. And Jesus said all men will know you are my disciples by your love for one another. Love being the hallmark of the believer in loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength and your neighbor as yourself.

We all have different roles in our relationships that reflect the nature and character of God- love being the key. Submission is a beautiful thing as we see Christ submitted to the Father to do His will and accomplish our salvation. The submission of the wife with her husband is a beautiful thing especially when the husband loves his wife as Christ loved the church. The same is true in the body of Christ.

God is a 4 letter word- God is love.

I went back and reread what you said and I especially like.....

I went back to God is love and what that love relationship is like within the Tri-Unity of God. We know a unitarian god ccannot be love or know love as a solitary person its an oxymoron.

This is one of the reasons that I often tell people they're actually presenting the perspective of Satan and associating it with God.

We all know. Satan LOVES himself alone..... and to a lesser sense those that follow him.

With God, you don't get this. You get God loving others as He loves Himself. He proved it by offering His One and Only Son for us. You never get this from Unitarianism.

 

[JesusFan]

I went back and reread what you said and I especially like.....

I went back to God is love and what that love relationship is like within the Tri-Unity of God. We know a unitarian god ccannot be love or know love as a solitary person its an oxymoron.

This is one of the reasons that I often tell people they're actually presenting the perspective of Satan and associating it with God.

We all know. Satan LOVES himself alone..... and to a lesser sense those that follow him.

With God, you don't get this. You get God loving others as He loves Himself. He proved it by offering His One and Only Son for us. You never get this from Unitarianism.

The Unitarian God, like Allah in Islam, has just Himself, and so would not even know or experience what love really means