Can People Get Saved After the Rapture?

[DavidTree]

You need to reread the post. He is talking about people that attack pre-tribers. Not Jesus.

Thank You

Jesus says "Immediately after the tribulation...........He comes on the clouds to gather His Elect"

According to @Bronson that would make the Lord a "deceived attacker of pre-trib rapture theory"

So i am looking for the scripture verses/passages/prophecy of a "Coming of the Lord" for a pre-trib rapture.

Please let me know what you and @Bronson have discovered in the Scriptures because i do not want to be deceived.

 

[TomL]

And you believe it will not happen again?

I believe the passage concerns something that occurred in 70 A.d.

Matthew 24:15–21 (LEB) — 15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken about by the prophet Daniel standing in the holy place” (let the one who reads understand), 16 “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains! 17 The one who is on his housetop must not come down to take things out of his house, 18 and the one who is in the field must not turn back to pick up his cloak. 19 And woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing their babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight may not happen in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will happen.

Can you not see a first century Jewish context rather than a present/future context with all forms of transportation. One where nursing babies are not dependent upon breastfeeding and people do not normally congregate on their rooftop

Verse 20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter] For the hardness of the season, the badness of the roads, the shortness of the days, and the length of the nights, will all be great impediments to your flight. Rabbi Tanchum observes, “that the favour of God was particularly manifested in the destruction of the first temple, in not obliging the Jews to go out in the winter, but in the summer.” See the place in Lightfoot.
Neither on the Sabbath-day] That you may not raise the indignation of the Jews by travelling on that day, and so suffer that death out of the city which you had endeavoured to escape from within. Besides, on the Sabbath-days the Jews not only kept within doors, but the gates of all the cities and towns in every place were kept shut and barred; so that if their flight should be on a Sabbath, they could not expect admission into any place of security in the land.
Our Lord had ordered his followers to make their escape from Jerusalem when they should see it encompassed with armies; but how could this be done?—God took care to provide amply for this. In the twelfth year of Nero, Cestius Gallus, the president of Syria, came against Jerusalem with a powerful army. He might, says Josephus, WAR, b. ii. c. 19, have assaulted and taken the city, and thereby put an end to the war; but without any just reason, and contrary to the expectation of all, he raised the siege and departed. Josephus remarks, that after Cestius Gallus had raised the siege, “many of the principal Jewish people, πολλοι των επιφανων Ιουδαιων, forsook the city, as men do a sinking ship.” Vespasian was deputed in the room of Cestius Gallus, who, having subdued all the country, prepared to besiege Jerusalem, and invested it on every side. But the news of Nero’s death, and soon after that of Galba, and the disturbances that followed, and the civil wars between Otho and Vitellius, held Vespasian and his son Titus in suspense. Thus the city was not actually besieged in form till after Vespasian was confirmed in the empire, and Titus was appointed to command the forces in Judea. It was in those incidental delays that the Christians, and indeed several others, provided for their own safety, by flight. In Luke 19:43, our Lord says of Jerusalem, Thine enemies shall east a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. Accordingly, Titus, having made several assaults without success, resolved to surround the city with a wall, which was, with incredible speed, completed in three days! The wall was thirty-nine furlongs in length, and was strengthened with thirteen forts at proper distances, so that all hope of safety was cut off; none could make his escape from the city, and no provisions could be brought into it. See Josephus, WAR, book v. c. 12.


Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 5, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 230.

 

[DavidTree]

I believe the passage concerns something that occurred in 70 A.d.

i AGREE with you = 70AD

Does this mean it is over/finished/completed or can it re-occur?

 

[TomL]

i AGREE with you = 70AD

Does this mean it is over/finished/completed or can it re-occur?

The tribulation?

The verses in Matthew quoted do not address a reoccurring tribulation

 

[DavidTree]

The tribulation?

The verses in Matthew quoted do not address a reoccurring tribulation

Jesus directly quotes Daniel = Abomination of Desolation

AoD has not occurred.

 

[TomL]

Jesus directly quotes Daniel = Abomination of Desolation

AoD has not occurred.

Um Happened Mat 24:15

Matthew 24:15–22 (LEB) — 15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken about by the prophet Daniel standing in the holy place” (let the one who reads understand), 16 “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains! 17 The one who is on his housetop must not come down to take things out of his house, 18 and the one who is in the field must not turn back to pick up his cloak. 19 And woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing their babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight may not happen in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will happen. 22 And unless those days had been shortened, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.

also

Luke 21:20–24 (LEB) — 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those inside it must depart, and those in the fields must not enter into it, 22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all the things that are written can be fulfilled. 23 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing their babies in those days! For there will be great distress on the earth and wrath against this people, 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

 

[DavidTree]

You need to reread the post. He is talking about people that attack pre-tribers. Not Jesus.

No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are pre-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are post-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are mid-tribbers

Would you agree that JESUS Himself is a Post-Tribber?

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

i AGREE with you = 70AD

Does this mean it is over/finished/completed or can it re-occur?

and the eight who is OF the Seven . Oh its been around david and it shall surely come again in a peak hour .
What has been amongst the kings will be the eighth .
The harlot herself does not rest . As Jerusalem and the city became waxed full of idolarty and whoredoms
SO TOO has christendom . Its like what has been still is and shall peak right at the end
He is of the seven . Notice it says HE is of the seven .
That in fact five kings had already fallen , one was at that time , the seventh would come for a short space
and the eight would be the beast that is of the seven .
Ever wonder why you hear such words on KING TYRUS and the prince
the entity behind them at work within them
HAD EVEN BEEN IN THE GARDEN of EDEN . SPIRITS at work my friend who have been at work .
It all peaks in the last hour . THE TEN Kings shall arise .
Rather odd , however is i am seeing a D TEN who is of the G Seven
at work to build the f g digital system of the beast . And they are of THE ALL INCLUSIVE INTERFIATH KLAN .
spirits at work david . Spirits at work through men .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are pre-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints post-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints mid-tribbers

Would you agree that JESUS Himself is a Post-Tribber?

Immediately after .....................................they shall see the SON OF MAN coming on the clouds
and the nations shall Groan because of him He also gathers his own from the four winds my friend .
THERE is an event that all sheep have longed for and looked for since the beginning of the walk .
THE COMING OF GOD ALL MIGHTY of THE LAMB
But when he cometh , its for the saints and TO DELIVER THE WRATH OF GOD
upon all who rejected , who had loved a lie , who had worshipped the beast
WHO had persecuted the saints and etc .
OH its a one time event . TIS why i have said before
pre trib bedda quit preaching a second chance .
CAUSE WHEN HE COMETH for his saints , THERE IS NO SECOND CHANCE for its also to DELIVER the
wrath of ALL MIGHTY GOD upon the nations of the world .
Even peter knew , hastening unto the coming of the day OF GOD wherein the heavens being on fire
shall be dissolved , AS FOR US WE LOOK for the new heavens and new earth .
THEY ALL KNEW it was a ONE TIME ARK CLOSED DOOR event . AND once that door closes
All outside wont be smelling roses . WRATH UPON ALL who denied HIM .

 

[DavidTree]

and the eight who is OF the Seven . Oh its been around david and it shall surely come again in a peak hour .
What has been amongst the kings will be the eighth .
The harlot herself does not rest . As Jerusalem and the city became waxed full of idolarty and whoredoms
SO TOO has christendom . Its like what has been still is and shall peak right at the end
He is of the seven . Notice it says HE is of the seven .
That in fact five kings had already fallen , one was at that time , the seventh would come for a short space
and the eight would be the beast that is of the seven .
Ever wonder why you hear such words on KING TYRUS and the prince
the entity behind them at work within them
HAD EVEN BEEN IN THE GARDEN of EDEN . SPIRITS at work my friend who have been at work .
It all peaks in the last hour . THE TEN Kings shall arise .
Rather odd , however is i am seeing a D TEN who is of the G Seven
at work to build the f g digital system of the beast . And they are of THE ALL INCLUSIVE INTERFIATH KLAN .
spirits at work david . Spirits at work through men .

"What has been will be, there is nothing new under the sun." = Ecclesiastes

Just the other day you reminded me of Nimrod and the Tower of Babel

Did God tell/show us the End from the Beginning = Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’

 

[DavidTree]

Immediately after .....................................they shall see the SON OF MAN coming on the clouds
and the nations shall Groan because of him He also gathers his own from the four winds my friend .
THERE is an event that all sheep have longed for and looked for since the beginning of the walk .
THE COMING OF GOD ALL MIGHTY of THE LAMB
But when he cometh , its for the saints and TO DELIVER THE WRATH OF GOD
upon all who rejected , who had loved a lie , who had worshipped the beast
WHO had persecuted the saints and etc .
OH its a one time event . TIS why i have said before
pre trib bedda quit preaching a second chance .
CAUSE WHEN HE COMETH for his saints , THERE IS NO SECOND CHANCE for its also to DELIVER the
wrath of ALL MIGHTY GOD upon the nations of the world .
Even peter knew , hastening unto the coming of the day OF GOD wherein the heavens being on fire
shall be dissolved , AS FOR US WE LOOK for the new heavens and new earth .
THEY ALL KNEW it was a ONE TIME ARK CLOSED DOOR event . AND once that door closes
All outside wont be smelling roses . WRATH UPON ALL who denied HIM .

His 1st Coming was a one-time Event
His 2nd Coming is also a one-time Event

Any secret-Coming of the Lord in between???

How many times did Noah enter the Ark?

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are pre-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are post-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are mid-tribbers

Would you agree that JESUS Himself is a Post-Tribber?

pre trib made a deadly serious mistake
and even throughout the times it has caused the downfall of churches .
GROWN MEN WEPT david . They wept .
We had decieved our peoples into beleiving they would be raptured before
this persecution was coming . BUT IT CAME
and many felt betrayed , many sold out . THEY DID NOT PREPARE their chuches FOR TRIBULATION
but sold them the idea NO WORRIES YOU WONT HAVE TO FACE IT .
MUCH LIKE ours still do today . ONLY I see the persecutoin is A COMING
and many are far far ready and have rather been prepared unto a lie . EVEN the very lie of anti christ
that has come to merge and has promised them peace n safety .
DO you realize
that much of our persecutors will actaully be coming from even christain churches
OH YES
THE MERGED LOVEY DO INCLUSIVE RELIGION that beleives its knows GOD and HIS LOVE
will believe they even do the WILL OF GOD
when us non conformers are rounded up . YEAH the time is coming
when they who kill us will truly BELIELVE THEY do GODS WILL . its all a delusoin david . the wrath
OF GOD shall come upon all who loved the lie and made war against CHRIST and the saints .
The delusion is a strong one david for it cometh in the name that it is love and is of GOD
BUT IT IS of anti christ . its father is the dragon and its mother THE HARLOT .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

His 1st Coming was a one-time Event
His 2nd Coming is also a one-time Event

Any secret-Coming of the Lord in between???

How many times did Noah enter the Ark?

Any secrete coming in between . NO SIR .
As lott left
as noah left and entered
ALL left behind went under wrath . THERE IS NO SECOND CHANCE
there is no mid secrete pre second coming . ITS ONLY ONE second coming
pre trib has lied to this people .
Peterists and scores of others have too .
Now its truly time we all pick up that bible and learn
what many no longer truly teach , KNOWN as the RIGHTLY DIVIDED TRUTH for oneself .

 

[dwight92070]

I think they can and here's why. See number 10

According to Jesus, these ten things will continue to multiply and progress as the first three and a half years of the Great Tribulation unfold following the rapture.

1. Deception: “Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.” (Matthew 24:5)
2. Dissension: “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. . . . Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.” (Matthew 24:6–7)
3. Devastation: “There will be famines.” (Matthew 24:7)
4. Disease: “Pestilences.” (Matthew 24:7)
5. Disasters: “Earthquakes in various places.” (Matthew 24:7)
6. Death: “They will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.” (Matthew 24:9)
7. Disloyalty: “Many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.” (Matthew 24:10)
8. Delusion: “Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many” (24:11). It should also be noted that part of the delusion will be an increase in drug use. One of the characteristics of the end times’ false religion will be what the book of Revelation calls “sorceries” (Matthew 9:21). The word John used is pharmakia, from which we get the word pharmacy. It is an ancient reference to the ingestion of drugs. The use of mind-altering substances such as narcotics and hallucinogens will be associated with false religions, doubtless with the approval of the government.
9. Defection: “Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold” (Matthew 24:12). People will turn away from God and from one another.
10. Declaration: “This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations” (d 24:14). In the midst of the darkness the light of the good news of Jesus Christ will shine brighter than ever. People everywhere will run to Jesus Christ for forgiveness, peace, and life.

Jesus spoke clearly about the Tribulation, but He is not alone. Several passages throughout the Bible describe the events that will occur during the Tribulation period. These descriptions occur in the writings of various Old Testament prophets and in brief references here and there in other books of the Bible. But it is the book of Revelation that describes the Tribulation events in the greatest detail.

Some Bible interpreters believe that there will be absolutely no chance for salvation after the rapture. However, there is no place in the Bible that says this or even hints to it. There will be many people who come to Christ during the tribulation. The 144,000 Jewish witnesses (Revelation 7:4) are Jewish believers. If no one can come to Christ during the tribulation, then why are people being beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20:4)? No passage of Scripture argues against people having a chance to be saved after the rapture. Many passages indicate the opposite.

Another view is that those who hear the gospel and reject it before the rapture cannot be saved. Those saved during the tribulation, then, are those who had never heard the gospel before the rapture. The “proof text” for this view is 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, which says the antichrist will work miracles to deceive “those who are perishing” and that God Himself will “send them a powerful delusion” to confirm them in their unbelief. The reason given is that “they refused to love the truth and so be saved” (verse 10). Granted, those who are hard-hearted toward the gospel before the rapture are likely to remain so. And the antichrist will deceive many (Matthew 24:5). But “those who refused to love the truth” does not necessarily refer to people who heard the gospel before the rapture. It could be anyone who wholly rejects God’s salvation, at any time. So, there is no clear scriptural evidence to support this view.

Revelation 6:9-11 speaks of those martyred during the tribulation “because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained.” These martyrs will correctly interpret what they see during the tribulation and will believe the gospel themselves and call on others to repent and believe as well. The antichrist and his followers will not tolerate their evangelism and will kill them. All of these martyrs are people who were alive before the rapture, but who were not believers until afterward. Therefore, there must be opportunity to come to Christ in faith after the rapture.

Pre-Trib Research Center

Absolutely NOT. It will be too late for any more to be saved. The resurrection of ALL the dead of ALL MANKIND, BOTH RIGHTEOUS AND UNRIGHTEOUS WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE RAPTURE. The believers who are alive at the time of the rapture will also be changed into glorified bodies, so since they didn't die, they don't need to be brought back to life. Then they will rise and meet the Lord and the saints in heaven and the angels in the air.

Time will cease, which is why it is called The Last Day, The rapture is just one of the many events on that last day, but the only reason the rapture occurs is because it is the day of the 2nd Coming of Jesus, when He comes in the clouds, and believers who are alive on that day will be instantly changed with their new bodies and they will rise to meet Jesus in the air Then ALL THE DEAD WILL RISE, RIGHTEOUS AND UNRIGHTEOUS. THE UNRIGHTEOUS WILL BE RAISED FROM THE DEAD BUT WILL NOT JOIN BELIEVERS WHO WILL BE IN THE CLOUDS WITH JESUS. JESUS WILL THEN JUDGE EVERYONE AND ASSIGN THEM TO EITHER BE WITH HIM OR HELL. THEN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WILL BE DESTROYED BY FIRE, A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH CREATED, AND WE WILL DESCEND TO LIVE IN OUR NEW HOME FOREVER.

 

[DavidTree]

Any secrete coming in between . NO SIR .
As lott left
as noah left and entered
ALL left behind went under wrath . THERE IS NO SECOND CHANCE
there is no mid secrete pre second coming . ITS ONLY ONE second coming
pre trib has lied to this people .
Peterists and scores of others have too .
Now its truly time we all pick up that bible and learn
what many no longer truly teach , KNOWN as the RIGHTLY DIVIDED TRUTH for oneself .

Now its truly time we all pick up that bible and learn

"every word that procedes from the Mouth of God"

 

[Selah]

I’m a post-tribber.

So let’s consider what the Bible says. Jesus returns at the 7th trump. The Antichrist (the man of sin, the abomination of desolation) shows up in Jerusalem at the 6th trump claiming to be God. Who comes first? …the Antichrist (Satan) does.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Let’s not be deceived—Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until the great apostasy (the falling away) occurs AFTER Satan, the son of perdition is revealed. Let’s endure until the very end and we see our Messiah returning on the clouds.

 

[dwight92070]

"every word that procedes from the Mouth of God"

Actually those TAKEN in the flood were drowned. Those not taken, Noah and his family, were saved in the ark.

`Matthew 24:39 says: " ... and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be."

Notice the words used for those who were lost: "the flood came and took them all away." So, at the 2nd Coming, the lost will be taken away to judgment. The saved will be left to rise to the clouds to be with Jesus, the angels, and all the saints from all history.

 

[Manasseh]

That moment when Christ once again steps away from His rightful station will be the initiating event of the Rapture.

Don't get left behind.

I do believe the preponderance of scriptural evidence makes it clear the Rapture of the church will take place before the Tribulation occurs, sparing us from the awful seven-year period described in Revelation 6–18.

 

[Selah]

Actually those TAKEN in the flood were drowned. Those not taken, Noah and his family, were saved in the ark.

`Matthew 24:39 says: " ... and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be."

Notice the words used for those who were lost: "the flood came and took them all away." So, at the 2nd Coming, the lost will be taken away to judgment. The saved will be left to rise to the clouds to be with Jesus, the angels, and all the saints from all history.

Those who don’t know hope and pray they will be taken by the first to come and in ignorance, they pray to be taken by the Antichrist; they will be deceived.

 

[DavidTree]

I’m a post-tribber.

So let’s consider what the Bible says. Jesus returns at the 7th trump. The Antichrist (the man of sin, the abomination of desolation) shows up in Jerusalem at the 6th trump claiming to be God. Who comes first? …the Antichrist (Satan) does.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Let’s not be deceived—Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until the great apostasy (the falling away) occurs AFTER Satan, the son of perdition is revealed. Let’s endure until the very end and we see our Messiah returning on the clouds.

Question:
Did the Lord Jesus know the difference between "tribulation, great tribulation and Wrath" ???