Can People Get Saved After the Rapture?

Selah said:
I’m a post-tribber.

So let’s consider what the Bible says. Jesus returns at the 7th trump. The Antichrist (the man of sin, the abomination of desolation) shows up in Jerusalem at the 6th trump claiming to be God. Who comes first? …the Antichrist (Satan) does.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Let’s not be deceived—Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until the great apostasy (the falling away) occurs AFTER Satan, the son of perdition is revealed. Let’s endure until the very end and we see our Messiah returning on the clouds.
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DavidTree said:
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are pre-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are post-tribbers
No attacks on Blood Washed Saints who are mid-tribbers

Would you agree that JESUS Himself is a Post-Tribber?
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You forgot one. No attacks on blood washed saints who are no-tribbers. That's right, His 2nd Coming is the Last Day. There are no more days after that one on this earth. That is when this earth and this heaven will be burned and a new earth and a new heaven will be created. There's no 7-year tribulation, which is not found in the Bible. There's no literal 1000 years where Jesus will reign as King on earth in Jerusalem. He said that His kingdom is not of this world, not of this realm. So why would take a DEMOTION from the right hand of the Majesty on high to sit on an earthly throne in Jerusalem? You are greatly mistaken.

No, I do not agree that Jesus is a post-tribber. I think that He and the Bible are no-tribbers.
 
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Manasseh said:
That moment when Christ once again steps away from His rightful station will be the initiating event of the Rapture.

Don't get left behind.

I do believe the preponderance of scriptural evidence makes it clear the Rapture of the church will take place before the Tribulation occurs, sparing us from the awful seven-year period described in Revelation 6–18.
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@Manasseh, i appreciate all your insight into the Scriptures.

Help us out here in the Love of Christ.

No one wants to be "left-behind" so can you please share scripture whereby Jesus and the Apostles warn Blood Washed Saints that, though they are SAVED, they can be "left-behind".

Thank You @Manasseh
 
Selah said:
I’m not following, David. I suppose so. Why?
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Well, i ask this because of what Jesus said to us comparing this to John the Baptist

John 16:33 - I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation.
But take courage; I have overcome the world!”

Matthew chapter 24
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
13But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke 3:7 - Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “Brood of vipers!
Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
 
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dwight92070 said:
You forgot one. No attacks on blood washed saints who are no-tribbers. That's right, His 2nd Coming is the Last Day. There are no more days after that one on this earth. That is when this earth and this heaven will be burned and a new earth and a new heaven will be created. There's no 7-year tribulation, which is not found in the Bible. There's no literal 1000 years where Jesus will reign as King on earth in Jerusalem. He said that His kingdom is not of this world, not of this realm. So why would take a DEMOTION from the right hand of the Majesty on high to sit on an earthly throne in Jerusalem? You are greatly mistaken.

No, I do not agree that Jesus is a post-tribber. I think that He and the Bible are no-tribbers.
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You forgot one. No attacks on blood washed saints who are no-tribbers.
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i really like this Dwight - thank you

But i am not so sure of the rest because of what took place in Genesis and the recounting of this in Revelation.

Thank You Dwight
 
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THE DAY OF THE LORD

Zechariah 14:1-21 (NKJV) 1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, [Making] a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. 5 Then you shall flee [through] My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the LORD my God will come, [And] all the saints with You. 6 It shall come to pass in that day [That] there will be no light; The lights will diminish. 7 It shall be one day Which is known to the LORD-- Neither day nor night. But at evening time it shall happen [That] it will be light. 8 And in that day it shall be [That] living waters shall flow from Jerusalem, Half of them toward the eastern sea And half of them toward the western sea; In both summer and winter it shall occur. 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be-- “The LORD [is] one,” And His name one. 10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. [Jerusalem] shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and [from] the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses. 11 [The people] shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. 12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths. 13 It shall come to pass in that day [That] a great panic from the LORD will be among them. Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor, And raise his hand against his neighbor’s hand; 14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of all the surrounding nations Shall be gathered together: Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. 15 Such also shall be the plague On the horse [and] the mule, On the camel and the donkey, And on all the cattle that will be in those camps. So [shall] this plague [be.] 16 And it shall come to pass [that] everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be [that] whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they [shall have] no [rain;] they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be [engraved] on the bells of the horses. The pots in the LORD’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
 
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DavidTree said:
@Manasseh, i appreciate all your insight into the Scriptures.

Help us out here in the Love of Christ.

No one wants to be "left-behind" so can you please share scripture whereby Jesus and the Apostles warn Blood Washed Saints that, though they are SAVED, they can be "left-behind".

Thank You @Manasseh
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At His 2nd Coming, non-believers will be taken away to judgment and hell. Matthew 24:38-41 When that happens the Saints will be left behind, saved from judgment - but then immediately they will rise to the clouds to meet Jesus, all the other saints and the angels in the air, and will forever be with the Lord after that.

The rapture, which happens immediately when Christ returns, "leaves no one behind". All of mankind from all of history will be resurrected, "those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, and those who did the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." John 5:28-29 Those believers who are alive when He returns will immediately be changed into their immortal bodies and will rise to the clouds to meet Jesus and the other saints and the angels in the air. 1 Thess. 4:14-18 Unbelievers who are alive at His return will be judged and condemned.
 
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TomL said:
Um Happened Mat 24:15

Matthew 24:15–22 (LEB) — 15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken about by the prophet Daniel standing in the holy place” (let the one who reads understand), 16 “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains! 17 The one who is on his housetop must not come down to take things out of his house, 18 and the one who is in the field must not turn back to pick up his cloak. 19 And woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing their babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight may not happen in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will happen. 22 And unless those days had been shortened, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.

also

Luke 21:20–24 (LEB) — 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those inside it must depart, and those in the fields must not enter into it, 22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all the things that are written can be fulfilled. 23 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing their babies in those days! For there will be great distress on the earth and wrath against this people, 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
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But can it happen again?

Example:
A.) Jesus came the 1st Time when the Jews were in Israel/Jerusalem
B.) Jesus is Coming a 2nd Time when the Jews are in Israel/Jerusalem
 
dwight92070 said:
At His 2nd Coming, non-believers will be taken away to judgment and hell. When that happens the Saints will be left behind, saved from judgment - but then immediately they will rise to the clouds to meet Jesus, all the other saints and the angels in the air, and will forever be with the Lord after that.

The rapture, which happens immediately when Christ returns, "leaves no one behind". All of mankind from all of history will be resurrected, "those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, and those who did the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." John 5:28-29
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a.) At His 2nd Coming ...Saints will be left behind
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b.) The rapture, which happens immediately when Christ returns, "leaves no one behind"
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Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
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Please elaborate on (a) and (b) with scriptures that pertains to each position (a) and (b)

i am good-2-go with John5:28-29 so no need to repeat - thank you
 
Eunice Harper said:
I think they can and here's why. See number 10

According to Jesus, these ten things will continue to multiply and progress as the first three and a half years of the Great Tribulation unfold following the rapture.

1. Deception: “Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.” (Matthew 24:5)
2. Dissension: “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. . . . Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.” (Matthew 24:6–7)
3. Devastation: “There will be famines.” (Matthew 24:7)
4. Disease: “Pestilences.” (Matthew 24:7)
5. Disasters: “Earthquakes in various places.” (Matthew 24:7)
6. Death: “They will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.” (Matthew 24:9)
7. Disloyalty: “Many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.” (Matthew 24:10)
8. Delusion: “Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many” (24:11). It should also be noted that part of the delusion will be an increase in drug use. One of the characteristics of the end times’ false religion will be what the book of Revelation calls “sorceries” (Matthew 9:21). The word John used is pharmakia, from which we get the word pharmacy. It is an ancient reference to the ingestion of drugs. The use of mind-altering substances such as narcotics and hallucinogens will be associated with false religions, doubtless with the approval of the government.
9. Defection: “Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold” (Matthew 24:12). People will turn away from God and from one another.
10. Declaration: “This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations” (d 24:14). In the midst of the darkness the light of the good news of Jesus Christ will shine brighter than ever. People everywhere will run to Jesus Christ for forgiveness, peace, and life.

Jesus spoke clearly about the Tribulation, but He is not alone. Several passages throughout the Bible describe the events that will occur during the Tribulation period. These descriptions occur in the writings of various Old Testament prophets and in brief references here and there in other books of the Bible. But it is the book of Revelation that describes the Tribulation events in the greatest detail.

Some Bible interpreters believe that there will be absolutely no chance for salvation after the rapture. However, there is no place in the Bible that says this or even hints to it. There will be many people who come to Christ during the tribulation. The 144,000 Jewish witnesses (Revelation 7:4) are Jewish believers. If no one can come to Christ during the tribulation, then why are people being beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20:4)? No passage of Scripture argues against people having a chance to be saved after the rapture. Many passages indicate the opposite.

Another view is that those who hear the gospel and reject it before the rapture cannot be saved. Those saved during the tribulation, then, are those who had never heard the gospel before the rapture. The “proof text” for this view is 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, which says the antichrist will work miracles to deceive “those who are perishing” and that God Himself will “send them a powerful delusion” to confirm them in their unbelief. The reason given is that “they refused to love the truth and so be saved” (verse 10). Granted, those who are hard-hearted toward the gospel before the rapture are likely to remain so. And the antichrist will deceive many (Matthew 24:5). But “those who refused to love the truth” does not necessarily refer to people who heard the gospel before the rapture. It could be anyone who wholly rejects God’s salvation, at any time. So, there is no clear scriptural evidence to support this view.

Revelation 6:9-11 speaks of those martyred during the tribulation “because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained.” These martyrs will correctly interpret what they see during the tribulation and will believe the gospel themselves and call on others to repent and believe as well. The antichrist and his followers will not tolerate their evangelism and will kill them. All of these martyrs are people who were alive before the rapture, but who were not believers until afterward. Therefore, there must be opportunity to come to Christ in faith after the rapture.

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The resurrection and rapture happen at His coming.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


All His people will be gathered together unto Him high above the earth.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18





The only ones left are the wicked.
 
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jeremiah1five said:
There's something wrong with Saul's words. I prefer to trust Zechariah.
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Excellent passage sir.

One more verse tells the story.


Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:5


You are exactly right.

This is the Old Testament version of Revelation 19, Jesus returning from heaven with His saints to receive their resurrected bodies.

The Day of the LORD.

The DAY of Christ.
 
Eunice Harper said:
I think they can and here's why. See number 10

According to Jesus, these ten things will continue to multiply and progress as the first three and a half years of the Great Tribulation unfold following the rapture.

1. Deception: “Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.” (Matthew 24:5)
2. Dissension: “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. . . . Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.” (Matthew 24:6–7)
3. Devastation: “There will be famines.” (Matthew 24:7)
4. Disease: “Pestilences.” (Matthew 24:7)
5. Disasters: “Earthquakes in various places.” (Matthew 24:7)
6. Death: “They will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.” (Matthew 24:9)
7. Disloyalty: “Many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.” (Matthew 24:10)
8. Delusion: “Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many” (24:11). It should also be noted that part of the delusion will be an increase in drug use. One of the characteristics of the end times’ false religion will be what the book of Revelation calls “sorceries” (Matthew 9:21). The word John used is pharmakia, from which we get the word pharmacy. It is an ancient reference to the ingestion of drugs. The use of mind-altering substances such as narcotics and hallucinogens will be associated with false religions, doubtless with the approval of the government.
9. Defection: “Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold” (Matthew 24:12). People will turn away from God and from one another.
10. Declaration: “This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations” (d 24:14). In the midst of the darkness the light of the good news of Jesus Christ will shine brighter than ever. People everywhere will run to Jesus Christ for forgiveness, peace, and life.

Jesus spoke clearly about the Tribulation, but He is not alone. Several passages throughout the Bible describe the events that will occur during the Tribulation period. These descriptions occur in the writings of various Old Testament prophets and in brief references here and there in other books of the Bible. But it is the book of Revelation that describes the Tribulation events in the greatest detail.

Some Bible interpreters believe that there will be absolutely no chance for salvation after the rapture. However, there is no place in the Bible that says this or even hints to it. There will be many people who come to Christ during the tribulation. The 144,000 Jewish witnesses (Revelation 7:4) are Jewish believers. If no one can come to Christ during the tribulation, then why are people being beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20:4)? No passage of Scripture argues against people having a chance to be saved after the rapture. Many passages indicate the opposite.

Another view is that those who hear the gospel and reject it before the rapture cannot be saved. Those saved during the tribulation, then, are those who had never heard the gospel before the rapture. The “proof text” for this view is 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, which says the antichrist will work miracles to deceive “those who are perishing” and that God Himself will “send them a powerful delusion” to confirm them in their unbelief. The reason given is that “they refused to love the truth and so be saved” (verse 10). Granted, those who are hard-hearted toward the gospel before the rapture are likely to remain so. And the antichrist will deceive many (Matthew 24:5). But “those who refused to love the truth” does not necessarily refer to people who heard the gospel before the rapture. It could be anyone who wholly rejects God’s salvation, at any time. So, there is no clear scriptural evidence to support this view.

Revelation 6:9-11 speaks of those martyred during the tribulation “because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained.” These martyrs will correctly interpret what they see during the tribulation and will believe the gospel themselves and call on others to repent and believe as well. The antichrist and his followers will not tolerate their evangelism and will kill them. All of these martyrs are people who were alive before the rapture, but who were not believers until afterward. Therefore, there must be opportunity to come to Christ in faith after the rapture.

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Some Bible interpreters believe that there will be absolutely no chance for salvation after the rapture. However, there is no place in the Bible that says this or even hints to it. T
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JESUS said there is no chance = in His Gospel
 
I know the words "left behind" usually means those who missed the rapture and must remain on earth for the tribulation. But I'm using "left behind" in a different way, with the meaning that I see assigned to those who were left in Mat. 24:40 and 41. In vs 40, one man in the field was taken (in judgment), the other left, to be changed to an immortal body and then raised to the clouds to meet Jesus in the air. In vs 41, one woman was taken (to judgment), the other left (behind) to be changed to an immortal body and then raised to the clouds to meet Jesus in the air.

a. Sorry, I probably should not have used the words "left behind" to label those in verses 40 and 41, who were left because they were believers. I was simply saying that their being "left behind" in those verses was a good thing, since the others were taken away to be judged.

b. Again, sorry, I probably did the same thing here. In saying that the rapture leaves no one behind, I was not suggesting that all will be saved. I was trying to show that NO ONE (from all of mankind) gets out of being resurrected at His 2nd coming, either believers or non-believers, EXCEPT those who are alive at the time of His 2nd coming, which is the same time as the rapture. That's the message of John 5:28-29, which I believe describes what happens at His 2nd coming - immediately the resurrection and then the rapture of His saints.

Sorry, I probably should have said: The resurrection leaves no one behind, whereas the rapture is ONLY for believers. I confused the two.
 
DavidTree said:
JESUS said there is no chance = in His Gospel
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Man the walls and stand firm in the trenches my friend . Bible rounds flying down range to deliver truth .
Shields of faith up cause the enemy is fireing all darts of delusoin , deceptoins
and them rounds are taking many captive to a lie .
ONE LORD , ONE CHRIST , ONE SPIRIT , and ONE BOOK the bible that we gonna stay glued in my friend .
 
Selah said:
I’m a post-tribber.

So let’s consider what the Bible says. Jesus returns at the 7th trump. The Antichrist (the man of sin, the abomination of desolation) shows up in Jerusalem at the 6th trump claiming to be God. Who comes first? …the Antichrist (Satan) does.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Let’s not be deceived—Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until the great apostasy (the falling away) occurs AFTER Satan, the son of perdition is revealed. Let’s endure until the very end and we see our Messiah returning on the clouds.
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I’ll say it again because many still don’t know. The Bible explains that Jesus Christ cannot return at any moment; it states that He will only return after certain events. There it is in Paul’s second letter to the Thessalonians. Paul explains that there is a supernatural event that will happen before Jesus Christ returns. Someone will come claiming to be God and he will look just like the Messiah, and he will be performing all kinds of miracles and wonders so that many, many, many folks will be deceived thinking it’s Jesus. Don’t be deceived; it’s the Antichrist you’re witnessing and if you listen to him, things will not turn out good for you. Again, don’t be deceived. Wait for Jesus, the King of kings and Lord of lords.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (NKJV) 9 The coming of the [lawless one] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Selah
 

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