Blasphemy while keeping the law.

[jeremiah1five]

You have one CORRECT answer so far and it is a Glorious One!!!

1 Peter 1:3 - Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Question: What had to take place BEFORE YAHsua HaMashiach Rose from the dead???

Remember now, you can only answer from the Apostle Peters own words from either his 1st or 2nd Epistles or both.

Not interested in playing games of twenty questions. I am more honest with Scripture. You are not.

 

[praise_yeshua]

People do not reject anything. God calls and people respond. Without fail. And from that moment on He raises them up, teaches them His Word and His Law, His Sovereignty, His glory, and His power. He teaches them His mercy and care. He teaches them all about Himself and all about the person being saved and of others saved or not. He opens eyes and "hearts" and minds, and He fills each one up with Himself. He is and I accept that in all I do and speak. As David said, "where can I go from your presence?"
Nowhere.

Must be so nice to claim to have what you deny others. You're just another man in a long line of men claiming privileges' over the offspring of God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Must be so nice to claim to have what you deny others. You're just another man in a long line of men claiming privileges' over the offspring of God.

I know the three Hebrew covenants are with the Hebrew people and there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, New.)
I know I am born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED to Israel and this experience along with Scripture brings me to the conclusion that there must be at least ONE HEBREW PARENT in my family ancestry because God never made any covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. I'm not a Gentile claiming Gentiles are in the covenants of God because of my misinterpretation of what Saul says in Romans and Galatians and Ephesians. I am not a cultured Jew who knows Hebrew language, eats Hebrew food, goes to synagogue, and lives as a modern-day Jew.
I am a Hebrew who lost all my Hebrew heritage because somewhere in my family these past at least 2,500 years one of my Hebrew descendants married or was raped by a Gentile or married a Gentile man who raised his children as a Gentile and this was repeated until I was born and I as a diluted DNA Hebrew lived as a Gentile, was without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and [a] stranger from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. That's the most likely circumstance of my existence. And in my studies I find nowhere in the HEBREW SCRIPTURE from Genesis to Revelation there is no evidence anywhere of God making a covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. So, the only conclusion to reach is that there has to be a Hebrew somewhere in my family line and in my family line I am not the only Hebrew-descent person who was born-again even though Hebrew blood flows in my family past but like God chose Jacob and not Esau both being Abraham's seed, the same has occurred with me. I'm the only one of three older brothers and three older - well, two older sisters. One died after birth and then I was born - that I am the only one in my immediate family born-again. And after forty-eight years no one else has been called of God like I was. No other sister has died in this time, but I lost two brothers. One in 1990 and one last year. And still, I am the only one who knows the Lord. So, as far as one having and the other not, I only look at Esau and Jacob and find such situations are Authored by God. I only accept such things that's all.

 

[DavidTree]

I know the three Hebrew covenants are with the Hebrew people and there are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, New.)
I know I am born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED to Israel and this experience along with Scripture brings me to the conclusion that there must be at least ONE HEBREW PARENT in my family ancestry because God never made any covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. I'm not a Gentile claiming Gentiles are in the covenants of God because of my misinterpretation of what Saul says in Romans and Galatians and Ephesians. I am not a cultured Jew who knows Hebrew language, eats Hebrew food, goes to synagogue, and lives as a modern-day Jew.
I am a Hebrew who lost all my Hebrew heritage because somewhere in my family these past at least 2,500 years one of my Hebrew descendants married or was raped by a Gentile or married a Gentile man who raised his children as a Gentile and this was repeated until I was born and I as a diluted DNA Hebrew lived as a Gentile, was without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and [a] stranger from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. That's the most likely circumstance of my existence. And in my studies I find nowhere in the HEBREW SCRIPTURE from Genesis to Revelation there is no evidence anywhere of God making a covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. So, the only conclusion to reach is that there has to be a Hebrew somewhere in my family line and in my family line I am not the only Hebrew-descent person who was born-again even though Hebrew blood flows in my family past but like God chose Jacob and not Esau both being Abraham's seed, the same has occurred with me. I'm the only one of three older brothers and three older - well, two older sisters. One died after birth and then I was born - that I am the only one in my immediate family born-again. And after forty-eight years no one else has been called of God like I was. No other sister has died in this time, but I lost two brothers. One in 1990 and one last year. And still, I am the only one who knows the Lord. So, as far as one having and the other not, I only look at Esau and Jacob and find such situations are Authored by God. I only accept such things that's all.

GREAT NEWS for you @jeremiah1five

the Word was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


No one will ever get into Heaven by our flesh = no Jew ever has and no Gentile ever has either

Jews only get thru the DOOR by FAITH in the WORD that was GOD and became flesh and dwelt among us.
Gentiles only get thru the DOOR by FAITH in the WORD that was GOD and became flesh and dwelt among us.

There is but One DOOR to SALVATION = Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach

There is but One Brit Chadasha that is for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.

There is but One Ruach HaKodesh for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.

There is but One Body of SALVATION for the Jew first and also for the Gentile = the Body of Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach

 

[Studyman]

Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

To hear some tell it. Blamelessness in keeping the law is the duty of every Christian

Well. Paul said he was blameless in keeping the law..... but was also a blasphemer.

I have a different understanding of Paul because I examine all that is written about the Pharisees. I hope you might consider, as the philosophy you have adopted here, and are promoting, is a popular one, but untrue just the same. Consider what is actually written about the religion Paul was zealous for.

Phil. 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; "as touching the law", a Pharisee;

Paul was a zealous member of the religious sect of the Jews called "Pharisees". The Jesus of the Bible said the Pharisees, "Taught for doctrines the Commandments of men", not the Laws of God. Paul also said to the Galatians when also defining his former religious sect.

Gal. 1: 13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 14 And profited "in the Jews' religion" (A Pharisee) above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of "the traditions of my fathers".

Jesus said of these same "traditions" of the same religious Sect of the Jews;

Mark 7: 9 And he said unto them, Full well "ye reject the commandment of God", that ye may keep "your own tradition". Not God's Laws.

Steven teaches about the Pharisees and their "fathers" traditions, just before Paul consented in his murder;

Acts 7: 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not "your fathers persecuted"? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

53 "Who have received the law" (of God) by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

So when Paul says "Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, "blameless". He isn't talking about God's Laws, he can't be, because to believe he was, one would have to reject and ignore his own words spoken in other letters, as well as EVERY WORD Jesus spoke as HE defined the religious philosophies of the Pharisees, and Stephen's words as spoken through the Spirit of Christ.

There are "many" more Scriptures which define the "Pharisees religion" going all the way back to the golden calf. Paul was blameless in the Law of the Pharisees religion, just as there are zealous Calvinists, and zealous Catholics, or zealous Armenians, etc., who are zealous for their perspective doctrines.

But Paul wasn't claiming to be Blameless in God's Laws. He is exposing that the Law of the Pharisees made him "a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious".

If you would accept all that is written here, you will see that it's the Scriptures which can be trusted "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Not the religious doctrines or judgments of this world God places us in.

 

[jeremiah1five]

GREAT NEWS for you @jeremiah1five

the Word was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


No one will ever get into Heaven by our flesh = no Jew ever has and no Gentile ever has either

Well, that's exactly what happened before the Holy Spirit arrived. Hebrews were getting to heaven by their flesh. The Hebrews were "kept" until faith should appear, and faith appeared when the Holy Spirit arrived.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal. 3:23.

Jews only get thru the DOOR by FAITH in the WORD that was GOD and became flesh and dwelt among us.

See above.

Gentiles only get thru the DOOR by FAITH in the WORD that was GOD and became flesh and dwelt among us.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles were never mentioned by God of being in the Abraham Covenant when He made the covenant back in Genesis 17. What you are doing by adding Gentiles after the fact is breaking Scripture. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants.

There is but One DOOR to SALVATION = Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach

There is but One Brit Chadasha that is for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.

The Brit Chadasha (New Covenant) is prophesied by Jeremiah. Let's see if non-Hebrews are in this covenant:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33.

The House of Israel contains no non-Hebrew Gentiles. It is only just twelve Hebrew tribes.

There is but One Ruach HaKodesh for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.

There is but One Body of SALVATION for the Jew first and also for the Gentile = the Body of Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach

Read above.
Learn not to break Scripture. The apostles never did it. It's your interpretation that is in error.

 

[DavidTree]

Well, that's exactly what happened before the Holy Spirit arrived. Hebrews were getting to heaven by their flesh. The Hebrews were "kept" until faith should appear, and faith appeared when the Holy Spirit arrived.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal. 3:23.

See above.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles were never mentioned by God of being in the Abraham Covenant when He made the covenant back in Genesis 17. What you are doing by adding Gentiles after the fact is breaking Scripture. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants.

The Brit Chadasha (New Covenant) is prophesied by Jeremiah. Let's see if non-Hebrews are in this covenant:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33.

The House of Israel contains no non-Hebrew Gentiles. It is only just twelve Hebrew tribes.

Read above.
Learn not to break Scripture. The apostles never did it. It's your interpretation that is in error.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal. 3:23.

Absolutely True and zero mention of flesh SAVING anyone................

Those who were 'kept under the law' had to abide in the things instructed to them by FAITH in the Word.

Those who rejected faith in the Word that spoke to Moses were judged by the law and NO ONE was able to KEEP it.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Absolutely True and zero mention of flesh SAVING anyone................

Those who were 'kept under the law' had to abide in the things instructed to them by FAITH in the Word.

Those who rejected faith in the Word that spoke to Moses were judged by the law and NO ONE was able to KEEP it.

Tell me...where were they "kept" when they died?

 

[DavidTree]

Tell me...where were they "kept" when they died?

Only the Jews who had their hearts circumcised by the Ruach HaKodesh( aka Ruach Mohel) entered into Paradise where they were kept until the LORD Himself descended to preach the Gospel to the spirits in prison.

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

The Righteous (Circumcised in Spirit) Saints from the old covenant were taken from Paradise to Heaven AFTER Jesus Rose from the Grave.

TORAH TRUTH = not Moshe but Joshua/Yahsua lead the people into the Promised Land

a TRUE foreshadow of Adonai YAHshua leading the Righteous Saints into HEAVEN Itself

HalleluYAH

 

[jeremiah1five]

Only the Jews who had their hearts circumcised by the Ruach HaKodesh( aka Ruach Mohel) entered into Paradise where they were kept until the LORD Himself descended to preach the Gospel to the spirits in prison.

I think you got it wrong. The proverbial heart was never circumcised.
And tell me, where is Paradise?

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

The Righteous (Circumcised in Spirit) Saints from the old covenant were taken from Paradise to Heaven AFTER Jesus Rose from the Grave.

TORAH TRUTH = not Moshe but Joshua/Yahsua lead the people into the Promised Land

a TRUE foreshadow of Adonai YAHshua leading the Righteous Saints into HEAVEN Itself

HalleluYAH

You need to study more and get rid of all that Gentile theology and do your own thinking of Scripture. You gotta grow up some day.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

To hear some tell it. Blamelessness in keeping the law is the duty of every Christian

Well. Paul said he was blameless in keeping the law..... but was also a blasphemer.

If what some say is true, then how can this possibly be?

Might these same people also be blasphemers like Paul once was?

Everyone is a blasphemer. But the one sin in which none of God's elect are guilty of making is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. This is the one that counts. One is a sin of the tongue, the other, a sin of the "heart."

 

[DavidTree]

Everyone is a blasphemer. But the one sin in which none of God's elect are guilty of making is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. This is the one that counts. One is a sin of the tongue, the other, a sin of the "heart."

ALL sins come from the heart of man BEFORE they come out our mouth/tongue.

Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

Are you Kosher???

 

[jeremiah1five]

ALL sins come from the heart of man BEFORE they come out our mouth/tongue.

Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

Are you Kosher???

The proverbial heart only pumps blood. It does not have any other function.
It is the mind where repentance and salvation occur. Later, the body is changed in the twinkling of an eye.
The Greek word for "repentance" is "metanoia" and it means "[to] change one's mind." In Scripture when it refers or says the "heart" only means "the whole being of a person." The heart does not thing and Jesus does not reside there. It only pumps blood. That is what God made it to do. It is the mind where salvation occurs and later our bodies are changed in the twinkling of an eye. But I already said this. The heart does not "think." That faculty was given to the mind to perform. The heart only pumps blood and there are no sins that come from there since it cannot think.

 

[DavidTree]

The proverbial heart only pumps blood. It does not have any other function.
It is the mind where repentance and salvation occur. Later, the body is changed in the twinkling of an eye.
The Greek word for "repentance" is "metanoia" and it means "[to] change one's mind." In Scripture when it refers or says the "heart" only means "the whole being of a person." The heart does not thing and Jesus does not reside there. It only pumps blood. That is what God made it to do. It is the mind where salvation occurs and later our bodies are changed in the twinkling of an eye. But I already said this. The heart does not "think." That faculty was given to the mind to perform. The heart only pumps blood and there are no sins that come from there since it cannot think.

When Scripture refers to the heart of a man it is using the physical heart as a picture for the center of a man = mind/will/emotions.

The heart of a man is more then just the mind.

Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

 

[jeremiah1five]

When Scripture refers to the heart of a man it is using the physical heart as a picture for the center of a man = mind/will/emotions.

That's correct. It is metaphor for the "whole being" of a person. There is nothing that goes on in the heart but pumping blood.

The heart of a man is more then just the mind.

The proverbial heart of a man is only the organ that pumps blood. It is used also as a metaphor for the whole being of a person since we experience emotions in and around the heart and since the heart did beat it was seen as being alive and also where one experiences emotions. Right around that area, behind the sternum.

Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Here it is metaphor. God searches each and every person, not the heart for there is no faculty of the heart but an organ that pumps blood.

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

So, you believe your heart can think? That your heart has attitudes? That would be inconsistent for the heart does not think. That faculty God ordained in creation to the mind or brain.
The heart does not think, nor does it have attitudes. Attitudes occur in the mind, not the heart.

 

[DavidTree]

That's correct. It is metaphor for the "whole being" of a person. There is nothing that goes on in the heart but pumping blood.

The proverbial heart of a man is only the organ that pumps blood. It is used also as a metaphor for the whole being of a person since we experience emotions in and around the heart and since the heart did beat it was seen as being alive and also where one experiences emotions. Right around that area, behind the sternum.

Here it is metaphor. God searches each and every person, not the heart for there is no faculty of the heart but an organ that pumps blood.

So, you believe your heart can think? That your heart has attitudes? That would be inconsistent for the heart does not think. That faculty God ordained in creation to the mind or brain.
The heart does not think, nor does it have attitudes. Attitudes occur in the mind, not the heart.

The proverbial heart of a man is only the organ that pumps blood.

How can the 'heart' spoken of by God in His Word be only a organ that pumps blood if it is "proverbial"

proverb /prŏv′ûrb″/

noun​

1. A short pithy saying in frequent and widespread use that expresses a basic truth or practical precept.
2. An old and common saying; a phrase which is often repeated; especially, a sentence which briefly and forcibly expresses some practical truth, or the result of experience
3. A striking or paradoxical assertion; an obscure saying; an enigma; a parable.

 

[jeremiah1five]

How can the 'heart' spoken of by God in His Word be only a organ that pumps blood if it is "proverbial"

proverb /prŏv′ûrb″/

noun​

1. A short pithy saying in frequent and widespread use that expresses a basic truth or practical precept.
2. An old and common saying; a phrase which is often repeated; especially, a sentence which briefly and forcibly expresses some practical truth, or the result of experience
3. A striking or paradoxical assertion; an obscure saying; an enigma; a parable.

The actual heart that is in your chest is only an organ God created to pump blood. It doesn't think and it doesn't feel.
And Jesus does not live in anyone's heart.
All it does is pump blood throughout your body. That's what God created it for. It is part of the body. It is not part of the soul or the human spirit.

 

[Studyman]

Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

It seems important to include all of Paul's words here as he describes who he was and whose LAW He walked in, in this chapter you are quoting. In this way, a man can find the Truth of Paul's teaching.

Phil. 3: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

What was a "Pharisee"? It was a dominant religious sect of that time who were in control of the Temple in Jerusalem. They had a Law, and by their Law Jesus, Stephen, and the Prophets before them, must die, for various reasons. The Jesus "of the Bible" said that these Pharisees "taught for doctrines, the Commandments of MEN", not God as many, "who come in Christ's Name", falsely preach. This same Jesus said of the Pharisees, "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition".

Here is Paul describing his life as a Pharisee.

Eph. 2: 1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein "in time past" ye (I) walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the "children of disobedience": 3 Among whom "also we all had" our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Jesus said of this religious sect, "Moses gave you the Law, but none of you keep it". Stephen said of these same Pharisees, in the Spirit of Christ,

Acts 26: 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, "so do ye". 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have "received the law" by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Paul again said of his fellow Pharisees;

Rom. 10: 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, "have not submitted themselves" unto the righteousness of God.

There are many more Scriptures which prove that the Pharisees did have a Law, and they did place their Law on the necks of men. And Paul was zealous for their religious sect beyond many of his brothers. And he followed the Pharisees laws and traditions perfectly. But the Law he was "blameless in" was not God's Laws, according to him, Jesus and the entire Holy Scriptures.

This teaching that the Pharisees were promoting God's Law is an insidious lie, promoted and believed on by many. But for those who have heard and believe how Jesus and Paul and the entire Law and Prophets described them, we know Paul wasn't claiming to be blameless in God's Laws, as a Pharisee. Paul taught that a man should "beware of" and turn away from the religious philosophies and traditions of this world's religions, like the religious sect of the Pharisees, and "Yield ourselves" servants to obey God and become servants to HIS Righteousness, not theirs or another's.

Like he teaches, "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Abraham, and Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, in Luke 1&2, these faithful obedient believers shall be justified. But of the religious sect of the Pharisees whose LAW Paul was blameless in, Jesus said this; "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out."

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Yes, Paul was convinced, rather, deceived into believing that the religious sect he had adopted and lived by, were promoting the Laws of God. That's the thing about being deceived, by its very definition it means to believe things which are not true. If you were to read a little further in Titus 1, Paul explains perfectly who he was as a Pharisee.

Titus 1: 16 They profess that they know God; but "in works" they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

So the religious foundation of this sermon, is based on the popular but false teaching that Paul considered himself "Blameless" in God's Laws. But as anyone can see, who is interested in Biblical Truth, as a Pharisee he was a child of disobedience walking in the religious traditions and commandments of men that the Pharisees taught for doctrines. That is why he "was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious".

While Zacharias and Elisabeth, according to the same Holy Scriptures, "were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord (Not the Pharisees) blameless". Notice how they had the Holy Spirit and knew who Jesus was even before HE was born, but the self-righteous religious sect of the Pharisees, and their great religious philosophers, didn't know Him even after HE did miracles.

A great topic of discussion, I will continue with the rest on another post.

 

[Studyman]

To hear some tell it. Blamelessness in keeping the law is the duty of every Christian

Who are these "SOME" who would promote such a thing?

Duet. 28: 1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: 2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

So God and Moses are among the "SOME" who believe the whole duty of man is to keep God's Commandments.

Joshua 22: 5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

So we can add Joshua as also part of the "SOME" who promote "keeping the law is the duty of every Christian".

Ecc. 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

So Solomon, certainly a wise man according to Scriptures, has joined with God, Abraham, Moses and Joshua, all of ONE Mind concerning the importance of "Keeping God's Law" for the believer/Christian.

What about the New Testament and the Jesus "of the Bible"?

Matt. 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matt. 19: 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So it seems the Jesus "of the Bible" is also of one mind with God His Father, Abraham, Moses, Joshua and Solomon.

John 8: 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do "the works of Abraham". 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

What were the works of Abraham?

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

OK, so we have God, Abraham, Joshua, Solomon and all the Prophets, and now Jesus all promoting that "keeping the law is the duty of every Christian".

What does Peter teach?

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We (Christians) ought to obey God rather than men.

Why would he believe this?

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom "God hath given" to them that obey him.

What about Paul? Did he join with God, Abraham, Joshua, Solomon, Jesus and Peter in promoting the philosophy that keeping the law is the duty of every Christian?

1 Cor. 17: 19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

I could go on and on. It is perfectly clear that "To hear some tell it", which would include God, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, all the Prophets, Jesus, Peter and Paul, "Blamelessness in keeping the law is the duty of every Christian".

2 Peter 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Well. Paul said he was blameless in keeping the law..... but was also a blasphemer.

Paul didn't say he was blameless in God's Law, he said he was blameless in the commandments of men the Pharisees taught for doctrines.

Had he submitted himself in obedience to God's Law, and not the religious traditions of the Pharisees, like Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, he would have been considered righteous by God, just as they were.

If what some say is true, then how can this possibly be?

Yes, if what "some" are preaching about Paul is true, that he was blameless in God's Law as a Pharisee, then how could he also be a blasphemer? Jesus was blameless in keeping the Laws of God, even in His youth. How could He be a blasphemer at the same time? It is interesting that the Pharisees, who you are preaching on this forum were blameless in God's Law, accused Jesus of being a blasphemer, and killed the Prophets and Stephen for telling them the truth about their religion.

What if Paul, Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, the Prophets and Peter are telling us the truth. And it is the philosophy of this world's religious sects and businesses, who preach that Paul was walking in God's Law as a Pharisee, that are the deceiver?

Might these same people also be blasphemers like Paul once was?

No doubt, if religious men reject God's commandments and judgments, and "go about establishing their own righteousness", refusing to submit to the righteousness of God, then they too, are blasphemers like Paul was before he "yielded himself" a servant to obey God.

 

[DavidTree]

The actual heart that is in your chest is only an organ God created to pump blood. It doesn't think and it doesn't feel.
And Jesus does not live in anyone's heart.
All it does is pump blood throughout your body. That's what God created it for. It is part of the body. It is not part of the soul or the human spirit.

Physical heart pumping blood = amazing = i never knew that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back to the question: How can the 'heart' spoken of by God in His Word be only a organ that pumps blood if it is "proverbial"