BAD arguments against Calvinism that need to STOP!

[TibiasDad]

If God has free will, definitionally he chooses his character.

Character defines the choices of free will. Character is the source from which freedom draws its desired choices.

What God does, he does because of what he is. From our perspective, God’s choices exhibit his character, and defines for us who and what he is. Character is first! Character is the foundation of all that happens, all that we do!

Doug

 

[civic]

TULIP is partially loving, just to be accurate here. It is not completely devoid of love, but rather limits love.

PSA is love combined with holiness, that is why we know our sin costs God a great deal of suffering.

But again, you deny God free will when you deny him the choice to choose who he is.

So logically, you cannot have both a forced God and free will for God, they are mutually exclusive and contradict each other.

wrong in tulip God does not love the world and did not die for the sins of the world as per John 3:16 and 1 John 2:1-2.

 

[civic]

Character defines the choices of free will. Character is the source from which freedom draws its desired choices.

What God does, he does because of what he is. From our perspective, God’s choices exhibit his character, and defines for us who and what he is. Character is first! Character is the foundation of all that happens, all that we do!

Doug

Amen !

 

[Dizerner]

Character defines the choices of free will.

Whatever strange semantic games you want to play, the point here is that love requires freedom and not coercion.

Perhaps what civic has to say can help you realize that here:

yes we have a free will and can choose what we believe or reject. love requires the freedom and willingness to love in return. in the other system there really is no love for one was coerced/forced/preprogrammed to love.

 

[Dizerner]

wrong in tulip God does not love the world

He does love part of the world though, so you completely evaded my point.

 

[civic]

He does love part of the world though, so you completely evaded my point.

thats not love thats favoritism, bias, partiality, prejudice, inequality etc.......

 

[Rockerduck]

Has anybody been corrected by God, had sin and God has Fatherly punished you for disobeying the sin, and do any here believe a sickness can be from sin? I have my testimony that this is true, and I've seen it in others' lives and pointed it out. Finally, does anything happen by coincidence or accident as a Christian?

 

[Dizerner]

Has anybody been corrected by God

yes

had sin and God has Fatherly punished you for disobeying

yes

do any here believe a sickness can be from sin?

it's possible but do not assume every sickness is because of sin

does anything happen by coincidence or accident as a Christian?

it depends on how you define these words, not everything that happens is God's will

 

[civic]

If Gods will is always done on this earth ( its not ) then Jesus model prayer for all believers makes absolutely no sense.

May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

This assumes Gods will is not being done on earth like it is in heaven.

 

[Rockerduck]

yes

yes

it's possible but do not assume every sickness is because of sin

it depends on how you define these words, not everything that happens is God's will

A child of God is set apart for God's will. Free will is not as free as some believe. As a child God, born again from above, you will be corrected as a Father corrects His son. Jesus saved us and the Apostle Paul said in Romans 12:1-2 -I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2; And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

How many follow this. I know many are in the world and then go to church. They claim the Love the Lord, but chase money and have to have Idols in their lives, luxury things, a car, a boat and can't afford to give money to the church. Then I see their private lives in chaos and not praying before meals, etc.. I see a Christian being sick different from a non Christian subject to the god of the world. If you are a born again from above Christian, Christ will refine you as silver and gold. 1 Peter 1:7 - that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

Psalm 119:65-67
You have dealt well with Your servant,
O Lord, according to Your word.
Teach me good judgment and knowledge,
For I believe Your commandments.
Before I was afflicted, I went astray,
But now I keep Your word.

Psalm 38:3 -
There is no soundness in my flesh
Because of Your anger,
Nor any health in my bones
Because of my sin.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30 -For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 3For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep.

 

[Dizerner]

Free will is not as free as some believe.

Calvinism is a load of demonic garbage, please be aware of this.

We do not get to blame our sin on God's decrees.

 

[Rockerduck]

Calvinism is a load of demonic garbage, please be aware of this.

We do not get to blame our sin on God's decrees.

Was King David a Calvinist? Those were his Psalms. What I said was free will is not as free, because God's will prevails over yours and if you are in rebellion, God will correct you, only if you a born again from above Child of God. By the way, I'm not Calvinist, you shouldn't worry about theology tags. All a born-again believers needs to strive to do God's will in your personal life. Don't push your own theology on others. The Apostle Paul said in Phillipians 1:27 - Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,

 

[Dizerner]

Was King David a Calvinist?

No, he understood he had free will, that is why he took responsibility, and did not blame his sin on God's decree.

Scripture teaches free will:

Post in thread 'An Article on free will'

Jan 4, 2025

I see you lack discernment because my glorious God Jesus Christ causing me to correspond about the Salvation of God is not your wicked "play-acting"; furthermore, your lack of discernment is evident based on your free-will intentional deletion of the Word of God this second time!

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart...

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[Rockerduck]

No, he understood he had free will, that is why he took responsibility, and did not blame his sin on God's decree.

Scripture teaches free will:

Post in thread 'An Article on free will'

Jan 4, 2025

I see you lack discernment because my glorious God Jesus Christ causing me to correspond about the Salvation of God is not your wicked "play-acting"; furthermore, your lack of discernment is evident based on your free-will intentional deletion of the Word of God this second time!

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart...

• Dizerner

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I understand. I only look at the individual in Christ. His salvation experience is different from my experience. God Chooses some and God calls some, but the Holy Spirit is the same in both. We have no choice in the matter as the potter can mold His creation the way He wants. I take no sides, I know in my Life and salvation, God corrects me, and molds me towards the image of Christ.

 

[TibiasDad]

the point here is that love requires freedom and not coercion.

On this we are agreed .


Doug

 

[Dizerner]

On this we are agreed .

Doug

Ergo, God was not "pre-programmed" to love, then.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's a true dichotomy.

If God has free will, definitionally he chooses his character.

God is not forced to love, that is wrong, and selfish of us to think as well, to sacrifice God's freedom for our security.

The love of God does what to us? 2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us,

Character constrains.

 

[praise_yeshua]

He does love part of the world though, so you completely evaded my point.

God loves all the world. God can not cease from loving.

You're mistaken because of how you view love. God's love is pure. Your love is not. My love is not. Only the love of Christ can teach us to know what the "love of God" is.

 

[Dizerner]

The love of God does what to us? 2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us,

Compels is a better translation there.

Paul is not being manipulated like a robot.

 

[Dizerner]

God loves all the world. God can not cease from loving.

Dude, I'm arguing a hypothetical, please put in the effort to follow the context if you want to comment.