Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will
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So then, why argue?Who said you don't?
Free will goes any direction, good and bad.
Besides, free will is not in Scripture, there is only the will of God and the human will.
You can't deny we humans have a will.
And our will can make good and/or bad decisions.
brightfame52
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Its dead[Spiritual relationship with God], alienated from the life of God. Death is separation. Like when men are physically dead, their physical life is non existence, even though their soulish life may exist in another realm Lk 16, but their physical life is over with, dead.
So its the same with Spiritual death, Spiritual life with God is dead, over with, seperated from God, however that person can still exist in the physical realm which he is still alive, whatever religious experience he has is natural, and physical and with an idol god, hence thats why we have thousands of religions.
Who is arguing?
Free will is not in scripture? Yet you believe it correct?
No one denys humans have a will. No one denys we make good and bad decisions.
Exactly, due to the human will.
TibiasDad
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Duh! Absence of Spiritual life is due to lack of relationship.
This isn’t my first day of Sunday school…
Ibid
Doug
civic
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The word “Trinity” is not in scripture either yet just like free will it’s true
TibiasDad
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The capacity to choose between various options without hinderance or mandate by another’s will.
But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
Josh 24:15
Doug
The word “Trinity” is not in scripture either yet just like free will it’s true
The expression "free will" is often denied by some folks, hence I switch to "human will" then and that is harder to deny.
The root of evil is that the Lord gave His creatures a will of their own.
Sure,, who has ever said otherwise???
Except the will of God right?
I know free will is true. Never said otherwise.The word “Trinity” is not in scripture either yet just like free will it’s true
Good. Then we agree. It is pissible
civic
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Eternally-Grateful
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which was free
free to say no to the serpent who decieved,
free to say yes to God who gave them everything they ever needed.
or free to say no to God and yes to the serpent (which they did)
civic
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Yes I agree
Cool, then to (just) 2 of your posts, #163 and #186
#163 - You will is not determined but your choices are.
That's not what we just agreed to. A&E fell because they made a bad choice, if their choice was determined how can they be blamed?
#186 - Did Christ save the whole world yes or no?
Context -
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
whoever - is a condition based on the human will.
might be - depends on whoever. And whoever is not all.
Meaning, your question is not a valid one, the passage doesn't say, not even imply, that Christ would save the whole world.
civic
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This verse is good too
John 7:17
New American Standard Bible
If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know about the teaching, whether it is of God, or I am speaking from Myself
John 7:17
New International Version
Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own
