It states he endured them with longsuffering.
Did he enjoy making himself suffer?
You show you are incapable of comprehending what is written.
Yes Gods will was to make some men as vessels of wrath and fit them for destruction, that was their purpose for entering this earth Rom 9:22
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
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@brightfame52 you need to read the 2nd response copied and pasted under Gemini below because it shows just how much lack of privacy Google really has.
B52, You never answer why this is a question........... and since you will read no further Ill answer it... Someone wanted to know what would be the reason God endured with much longsuffering.... for other then His being s sadist makes no sense for how you are using this verse.... 4 Ai sources explain things below. It is the 2nd one.
WHAT IF
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"endured with much longsuffering"
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"Endured with much longsuffering" refers to the ability to be patient and tolerant, especially in difficult situations or while dealing with others' shortcomings. It emphasizes showing restraint and maintaining a compassionate attitude despite challenges or frustrations.
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what does this mean... "endured with much longsuffering"
In the context of the discussion you're viewing on the
Berean Apologetics forum, the phrase
"endured with much longsuffering" comes from
Romans 9:22.
To understand it, we can break it down into its linguistic and theological components:
1. Definition of Terms
- Endured: This means to bear up under, to carry a burden, or to tolerate something difficult without immediate reaction.
- Longsuffering: This is a classic biblical term (the Greek word makrothumia) which literally means "long-tempered." It describes the emotional self-restraint one shows when provoked. It is the opposite of being "short-fused."
2. The Context of the Debate
The users in the forum are debating
Calvinism vs. Arminianism, specifically regarding how God treats "vessels of wrath":
- The Argument for Patience: One side (like the user FreeInChrist) argues that God's "longsuffering" indicates a delay in judgment. The intent of this delay is to provide a window of time for people to repent and turn to Him.
- The Argument for Sovereignty: The other side (like brightfame52) argues that even if God is patient, these "vessels" were ultimately "fitted for destruction" to demonstrate His power and justice.
3. Practical Meaning
Outside of theology, to "endure with much longsuffering" means to stay patient and kind even when you have every right to be angry or to end a situation. It implies:
- Restraint: Choosing not to act on anger immediately.
- Duration: Holding that restraint for a long period of time.
- Compassion: Maintaining a level of tolerance despite being repeatedly provoked.
In short, it is the act of
waiting a long time before allowing a consequence to happen,
usually out of a desire to give the other party a chance to change.
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Would you like me to summarize the specific arguments
TomL or
brightfame52 are making regarding this verse in the thread?
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The phrase
"endured with much longsuffering" comes from the Bible, specifically
Romans 9:22 in the King James Version (KJV):
"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction..."
In modern translations, it's often rendered as "endured with much patience" or "bore with great patience."
Breaking it down:
- Endured → God patiently bore, tolerated, or put up with (something or someone) over a prolonged period.
- With much longsuffering → "Longsuffering" (from the Greek makrothumia) literally means "long of temper" or "slow to anger." It describes a quality of great patience, forbearance, or restraint in the face of provocation, injury, or opposition—especially holding back anger or judgment when it would be justified to act immediately.
Combined,
"endured with much longsuffering" means God
patiently tolerated or bore with (in this context, sinful people described as "vessels of wrath fitted/prepared for destruction") for a long time, exercising extraordinary self-restraint and delaying judgment despite their deserving of it. This highlights God's immense patience toward sinners, even those ultimately headed toward destruction, to demonstrate His character, power, and wrath in due time.
In broader biblical context:
"Longsuffering" is a key attribute of God (e.g., Exodus 34:6 calls Him "longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth") and one of the fruits of the Spirit for believers (Galatians 5:22). It goes beyond mere passive waiting—it's an active, enduring restraint rooted in mercy and purpose.
In short: It conveys God
patiently putting up with rebellion or sin for an extended time, with great forbearance, rather than immediately punishing. Modern equivalents might be "bore with great patience" or "exercised much long-suffering endurance."
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“Endured” means
put up with,
tolerated, or
bore patiently.
“Longsuffering” means
patience over a long time, especially toward people who deserve judgment.
So together, the phrase means:
God patiently put up with them for a long time instead of judging them immediately.
It carries the idea that:
- God had the right to punish,
- but delayed His judgment,
- showing patience, restraint, and mercy,
- giving time for repentance.
In everyday terms, it’s like:
“He had every reason to act, but he held back and gave them chance after chance.”
In Romans 9:22 specifically
When Paul says God “endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath,” it suggests:
- God did not create them just to destroy them immediately,
- He tolerated their rebellion for a long time,
- which implies opportunity to repent, not instant condemnation.
So the phrase actually highlights
God’s patience, not harsh predestination.
Very short summary
“Endured with much longsuffering” = God patiently delayed judgment even though they deserved it.
