And All Israel Shall Be Saved!

[brightfame52]

The Church is the New Israel composed of both saved jews and gentiles. That both saved jews and gentiles are the new manifestion of Israel is understood by these inspiried words Eph 2:12

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Now Christ has made them One Commonwealth Israel Eph 2:14

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one[commonwealth/citizenship], and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Saved Gentiles now have citizenship with Israel

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens[in the commonwealth of Israel] with the saints, and of the household of God;

This is also pictured in Rom 11 with the Olive Tree, with saved Gentiles being Grafted into the citizenship with saved Israel the household of God 9

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Church is the New Israel composed of both saved jews and gentiles. That both saved jews and gentiles are the new manifestion of Israel is understood by these inspiried words Eph 2:12

Incorrect. The true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ has always been Israel. She is called the "Great Congregation" in Scripture, and also fulfills the definition of the Church as a "Great Congregation" based upon the definition of the Greek word "Church" which is "ekklesia" meaning "called out [ones]" originally being "called out" of Egypt at the time of Moses and the Tabernacle. The word also describes Jesus as a baby whom God "called out" of Egypt and returning to Israel, specifically Nazareth.
You and your false Constantinian Gentile theology has no place in Biblical Christianity which is a Christianity based upon the Word of God and NOT the false ideas of non-Hebrew Gentiles who seek to undermine God's people, to either steal Israel's inheritance of God or to try to insert themselves as co-inheritors when the actual Scripture records God making covenant with Abraham AND HIS SEED, a people who will later be called the children of Jacob/Israel. Nearly 3 million Jews/Hebrews were "called out" of Egypt and from their bondage thus fulfilling God's Promise to deliver His people from out of the yoke of bondage.

12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. Genesis 15:12–14.

Church = Great Congregation:

8 Also at the same time Solomon kept the feast seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt. 2 Chronicles 7:8.

Church/Christ = "called out [ones]:

When Israel was a child, then I loved him,
And called my son out of Egypt.
Hosea 11:1.

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Matthew 2:15.

"Church" ("called out [ones]") refers ONLY to Israel and to God's Son, Jesus the Christ.

Additionally:
The "Qahal" (The Called Out Assembly): The Hebrew word for "assembly" or "congregation" is Qahal. When the New Testament uses the Greek word Ekklesia (often translated as "church"), it literally means "the called-out ones." Jewish scholarship notes that the Qahal of Israel was first formed specifically when they were "called out" of Egypt to stand at Sinai.

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Now Christ has made them One Commonwealth Israel Eph 2:14

More Constantinian Gentiles rubbish. Saul writes these words to ixed-race Jews of the Diaspora who for over 700 years grew up in Gentile lands throughout the region and beyond. God sent the Assyrians to chastise His people Israel for their idol-worshiping of "other gods" and other sinful lifestyles under the various corrupt kings of the northern tribes and the southern tribes. Jews in this period grew up Gentile having lost their Temple and Hebrew way of life after being taken captive by both the Assyrians and later the Babylonians (722 and 586 BC, respectively.)

These mixed-race Jews were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth (society) of Israel and ignorant and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without their God while in the world (not in Israel, but literally in the world of Gentiles.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one[commonwealth/citizenship], and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Due to mixed-race Jews being alienated from the covenants of promise we see in the gospels Jews who had a serious attitude against the Samaritans (John 4) who the Jews not mixed-race were divided against the Samaritans who were the descendants of the ten northern kingdom tribes along with Ephraim and Manasseh, two mixed-race Jew-Egyptian sons of Joseph. Jesus as king was sent for this people no matter the dilution of Abraham's DNA being descendants of Jew-Gentile births which in time became a social order living apart from Israel.

Saved Gentiles now have citizenship with Israel

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens[in the commonwealth of Israel] with the saints, and of the household of God;

This is also pictured in Rom 11 with the Olive Tree, with saved Gentiles being Grafted into the citizenship with saved Israel the household of God 9

Jeremiah states that the branches that were broken off were disobedient Jews. The Olive tree is the national symbol of Israel - NOT GENTILES. You are re-interpreting Scripture to make it fit your false Constantinian Gentile theology which is not supported by Scripture. God NEVER called Gentiles "Olive tree."Nor did Jeremiah.

 

[brightfame52]

Incorrect.

No its correct, you trusting in the flesh, blood descendancy. John warned you about that Matt 3:7-9

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Being of jewish blood descend is insignicant in the things of God

 

[jeremiah1five]

No its correct, you trusting in the flesh, blood descendancy. John warned you about that Matt 3:7-9

Matthew 3:7-9 does not say anything except God's power to turn stones into humans.
You're trying to make it into more than what the Baptist has said.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Being of jewish blood descend is insignicant in the things of God

I guess you reject that Jesus is born from the tribe of Judah. Jesus is born INTO a biological family line. If the flesh means nothing to you and your erroneous Gentil theology, then Jesus CANNOT be heir to the throne, and everything associated with it.

But thanks be to God who teaches us in Scripture the extreme importance of being biologically the seed of Abraham and even to Adam that Jesus the Christ is now that ONE SEED - Biologically - who can inherit the Promises of God.

You're in a "damn if you do and damn if you don't."

Jesus trusted in the flesh. It is exactly BECAUSE of His flesh that links Him to the Abrahamic Promises. Jesus IS THE BIOLOGICAL SEED of Abraham.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[brightfame52]

Matthew 3:7-9 does not say anything except God's power to turn stones into humans.
You're trying to make it into more than what the Baptist has said.

You still trusting in the flesh.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You still trusting in the flesh.

Yes, as much as Saul, maybe even more:

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20.

And what did Saul mean about living in the flesh as a Jewish Christian?

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Philippians 3:3–6.

Saul trusted in his flesh as the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. The sons of Jacob were twelve sons from four wives. Benjamin was born to Rachel, the woman Jacob worked for Laban to win her in marriage, but Laban gave him Leah instead and Jacob had to work another seven years to get Rachel as wife.

So, why was Saul especially proud of his "flesh" being a Hebrew of Hebrews is easy to explain and here are a couple of points to which Saul may have been referring:

As the family journeyed from Bethel, Rachel went into hard labor near Ephrath (Bethlehem). In her final moments, as her soul was departing, she named the child Benoni, which means "son of my sorrow." However, Jacob, exercising his authority as the patriarch, renamed him Benjamin (Binyamin).

Ben-oni: This name reflected Rachel's personal physical and emotional pain.
Binyamin (Benjamin): Usually translated as "Son of the Right Hand." In Hebrew, Yamin (Right) often signifies strength, favor, or the south. Benjamin was the only son of Jacob born specifically in the Land of Promise (Eretz Yisrael). Because of this, the Midrash often highlights Benjamin’s unique purity, as he was not part of the exile in Padan-aram. It is a significant point in Scripture that the territory allotted to the tribe of Benjamin eventually included the site of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. This is seen as a fulfillment of Moses' blessing in Deuteronomy 33:12, where Benjamin is called the "beloved of the Lord" who dwells between God's shoulders.

What a legacy! Rachel died and was buried "in the way to Ephrath," and Jacob set a pillar upon her grave. To this day, Kever Rachel (Rachel's Tomb) remains a site of deep significance in Jewish prayer and thought, representing the mother who weeps for her children.

We can get more into Saul's personal history as a "Hebrew of Hebrews" circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel. No other son of Jacob was given this "medal of honor" of being "beloved of the LORD" and who dwells between God's shoulders.

"If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more."

Saul was very proud of being a son of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and he even says outright that "some might trust in the flesh, more" and he proceeds to describe those things that was given to Benjamin by God.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20.

So, let's stop trying to accuse me of something the apostle Saul himself was guilty of.
Saul says: "and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God."

Saul's life was lived "in the flesh" as a son of Abraham, the man in whom the covenant is named after.
Gentiles do not have this. They cannot say with Saul they are of the BIOLOGICAL SEED of Abraham. The best they can do is say they are of the seed of Japheth or Ham. Two men of Noah's loins that do not have covenant with God.
What a legacy Saul was proud of. A Hebrew of Hebrews! Wow!