And All Israel Shall Be Saved!

And what does this mean:

"until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."
When all the Body of Christ has been saved, comprised of all nationalities, then its fulfilled all Israel is saved according to promise Isa 45 17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.


See your error is you think Israel here is the ethnic nation of israel, its not. Its the Body of Christ saved in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Gill says of Isa 45 17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord,.... Not the carnal seed of Israel, or the natural posterity of Jacob, for only a remnant of them were saved; indeed, in the latter day, when there will be a general conversion of them, there will be a general salvation of them,
all Israel shall be saved; but here the spiritual Israel of God are meant, such as God has appointed unto salvation;

Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Here is a promise of salvation to the entire body of Christ which is also called spiritual Israel. This would not be pointing to the entire nation of physical Israel because there were many unbelievers among them as there are in many nations of the world. The promise here is that those who become saved will never be ashamed or confounded since the gospel brings a sober mind which cannot deviate from the truth. Once a person becomes saved, they will no longer need to search out other religions because they will have found their rest in Christ. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. (Matthew 11:29) False religions are always in flux and keep creating new rituals for their adherents to keep but once a person has the true gospel, they know that all religions are false. Then the LORD states “world without end” but not in its present state. Once the last day has come and all the judgments are done, then the LORD is going to burn up the old world with all it sin and then will remake this world in righteousness for his redeemed people to live in eternally.

Rom 11:26 (KJV)
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The word “so” in the Greek carries with it the meaning of “in this manner” or “in this way.” Paul is stating that in this manner, all Israel shall be saved. What manner is that? Now many have erroneously interpreted this verse to mean that sometime in the future all of national Israel is going to be saved. This is a very fallacious interpretation because God is not giving salvation based on a race. The Israel that is going to be saved, is the entire body of Christ and not a physical nation. The body of Christ is an amalgamation of saved Gentiles and Jews. This is how the entire body of Christ is going to be saved. Below are some verses which teach that the Israel in view, is the body of Christ and not a physical nation.

(Gal 6:16 KJV) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

(Phil 3:3 KJV) For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

(Rom 2:28-29 KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: {29} But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

(Rom 9:6 KJV) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

(Gal 3:29 KJV) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Eph 2:12 KJV) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

(Isa 45:17 KJV) But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

The verse then goes on to say that the Deliverer will come out of Zion and drive ungodliness from Jacob. (Isa 59:20 KJV) And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. The Deliverer is the Lord Jesus Christ, also known as the Redeemer in Isaiah 59:20. Jacob is another term for the body of Christ because only those whom the Lord saves shall have ungodliness turned away in their lives. In other words, the Redeemer makes them clean. Zion is another term for the body of believers. (Psa 99:2 KJV) The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people.
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Only the seed of Abraham are in covenant with God. And they are the inheritors of the Abrahamic Promises/Covenant and only they are recipients of those Promises. And because God scattered His covenant people twice before Jesus' birth through the Assyrian and Babylonian Conquests (722 and 586 BC, respectively.)
Abraham asked God for an heir and God gave him one in the birth and life of Isaac. Ishmael had already been born and in time Abraham's seed through Ishmael would grow into a large family through Ishmael's twelve sons. It wasn't addition, but multiplication that Ishmael's sons would populate Palestine and in lands outside Palestine where these families of the earth would settle. Do I have to bring up Ishmael's descendants or can you look at these on your own?

Faith is a gift that comes out of the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants, and only one seed are the recipients of the gift of faith: The Hebrew people. God does not make Promises to the children of Israel and then turn again to cast them into hell. Israel is the recipient of the salvation that is of the LORD. And although Ishmael's seed will be blessed of God because of His Promises to Abraham, God made sure that Issac is the son of Promise, not Esau. Jesus was born out of the tribe of Judah, not Massa, not Tema. The Holy Spirit that Joel prophesied was Promised to Israel. He is that schoolmaster Saul wrote about in Galatians 3. And one needs the Holy Spirit that God Promised Israel to be born-again and saved. There is no Scripture in the Old Testament that says God promised His Spirit to Ishmael's descendants nor to non-Hebrew Gentiles. You add to the Bible and through your erroneous theology you make God a liar by putting words in God's mouth that says Gentiles are also given the Holy Spirit or that non-Hebrew Gentiles can and will be saved.

But Israel is better than all the families of the earth. They have God. It was and is the intent of God to make Israel better than everyone else.

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Hebrews 1:4.

9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Hebrews 6:9.

7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. Hebrews 7:6–7.

There's a song we are taught in the Biblical Church:

"It gets better and better as the days go by; sweeter and sweeter just the Lord and I."

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Hebrews 8:6.

The whole relationship between God and the children of Israel is all about "better." A better covenant, a better sacrifice, to the betterment of the children of Israel.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. Hebrews 9:23.

A better city and better country.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. Hebrews 11:16.

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Hebrews 11:40.

The repetition of this word serves to prove that the New Testament is not just a change in rules, but a monumental upgrade in every spiritual sense. God takes all the dry bones in the valley and gives it flesh, and organs, and all the things necessary to make this people better. God gave the Israelites His Law to make them a better people than all the rest of the families of the earth.

The Abrahamic Covenant is described in Genesis 12, 15, and 17, and there are no Gentiles named or mentioned or included in this covenant. You are definitely adding to the Bible and make God to be a liar by preaching your additions that have no Scriptural basis.

All that doesn't matter (righteous, circumcision, etc.). Abraham was chosen of God before God created man. You cannot provide Scripture to back you up. There were no promises made by God to Gentiles except death. And this is where we part ways. You add to the Bible things it doesn't say and in doing so make claims of Gentile inclusion with the Jews in the Hebrew covenants and literally make God a liar. But that doesn't mean anything to you. You loveth the lie.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22:15.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9–12.

There is no expiration in God's Word. You want to bring God's Law to an end go ahead. You're not the only one doing it. But God's Word and His Law is forever. Eternal.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22:14–15.

Cornelius was mixed-race Hebrew. He was most likely uncircumcised. And by being Abraham's seed he was heir to the Spirit and the gifts the Spirit did bring. Besides this Peter was apostle to the Jews, was he not? Well, there you go. Peter preaching to a Jew.

The problem is yours. You take an ancient language and re-interpret it using 21st century definitions and concepts and ideas. Saul was apostle (commissioned) to the Gentiles, which in other words, he was sent to the Gentiles because that where the majority of all Jews and mixed-race Jews lived. There's a reason why Saul when entering a city in Asia Minor or what is known today as Turkey and enter the synagogues FIRST. He was a rabbi and a Pharisee and he went to the synagogues first to ascertain several things. One is where he might find the Jews and mixed-race Jews who were Christ followers of the Way. Saul's travels took place after the great persecution of Jews upon Christians, and Saul was one of those Jews that persecuted Christ-followers. He even killed one. A Christ follower named Stephen. And so these followers of the Way would not be attending synagogue. They gathered in their own homes. And Jews of then synagogues would be able to point Saul to a house fellowship. The risen Christ told him:

21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles. Acts 22:21.

If all Jews lived in Babylon Jesus would have said, "Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Babylonians." Or to the Assyrians if all the Jews lived in Assyria. Nowhere does Christ say to preach Jesus to Gentiles.

The bottom line is this:

You can make any claim you want but when asked to provide Scripture where God makes covenant with Gentiles you don't produce Scripture. Or to provide Scripture that Christ tells Saul to teach and preach Jesus to Gentiles. Instead, you add to the Bible things it doesn't say and make God a liar. You can't provide the Scripture.

You can't produce PROOF!
Okay, I'm going to take a different tact on this, due to a discussion I would have never known I would have.
1. Jesus is the archetype of Adam.
a. Adam sinned and thus all mankind (not just Jews) died.
b. Jesus died on the cross, and thus all mankind CAN live again. Caveat, only those who believe in faith.
Jesus sacrifice, being the archetype of Adam who sinned, affects all mankind, with the caveat, all mankind who believe in faith.

1. Who are the elect in the Old Testament? Israel, made up of Hebrews/Jews. (I want to say Gentile proselytes, but that is outside of this point.) Gentiles of the New Testament are the archetype of the Jews in the Old Testament.
a. God called/chose the Jews and made them His people, but they rejected His Son the Messiah.
b. God called out to the non-Jewish Gentiles with the gospel in the New Testament, and they accepted, and entered the church.
NOTE: the church and christendom are NOT the archetype of the Old Testament elect. The term elect in relation to the nation of Israel does not mean Israel is saved, just chosen by God to be the nation over while He placed HIs name. There is an elect remnant in Israel which are those who are saved/born again/believers. In the same way, not all non-Hebrew Gentiles are saved, only those God elected to salvation through Christ in the Old Testament.
The elect is not the church, because there are quite a number of people who would probably agree with the Catholic Church not being elect...

For those who want to say Israel is the church, they like to say that baptism took the place of circumcision.
3. Circumcision is the archetype of circumcision. (I know, circular right. Explained below.)
a. Physical circumcision showed the ethnicity of the Hebrews/Jews before God, and was also used for Gentile PROSELYTES (key word for the Old Testament)
b. Spiritual circumcision is not for ethnicity, but is for believers as a group ,as Jews are an ethnic group. All believers, to include non-Jewish Gentiles.

Adam bringing death into the world was universal. Christ, as the archetype of Adam, HIs call to salvation in Him is universal. (Many are called, but few are chosen.) His death and gospel message are universal, but it is God who saves.

You keep adding Judaism as a requirement for salvation, something that Paul blatantly denied. Salvation is SOLELY by faith. It is not ethnic, and there are no boundaries to the gospel message. God chose to extend the gospel message to the non-Jewish Gentiles, which is why God determined that the Jews would reject it. By that rejection, the gospel went to the non-Jewish Gentiles who accepted. When God is done dealing with the Gentiles, God will turn back to Israel, and will save His elect remnant from out of the nation of Israel. He will save the "true Israel of God". He will then fulfill His promises made to the Jews for the Jews, though Gentile believers will experience those blessings by simply being present. It isn't for them, but like rain is for plants, you will still experience rain if you step out in it. You won't sprout plants all over your body, but you will be wet.

Also, again, the word ethnos/ethne in the New Testament, translated as Gentile, is, historically understood (HISTORICALLY) to mean race, peoples, nation. As such, it is speaking of non-Jewish Gentiles. Mixed race Jews ARE NOT A RACE. They ARE NOT A NATION. They aren't even a people. They are Jews, and Jews are a people. The only plausible argument you can make, using original interpretations of words is that Gentiles means full-blooded Jews, not mixed race. The word has been used to mean Jew/Israelite. (ethnos, not the word Gentle.) Mixed race Jew isn't even an ethnicity. Jew is. non-Jewish Gentile is. Mixed race Jew... not so much. You were either a Jew like Timothy, or a non-Jewish Gentile like Titus. Paul had Timothy get circumcised because he was Jewish and well... ABRAHAMIC COVENANT. He had Titus NOT get circumcised because... Titus was not Jewish, he was a full blooded Gentile. If Paul had Titus get circumcised it would completely destroy Paul's ministry. Paul, who preached that salvation is by faith, not by covenant or the Law.

Just as Abraham consigned all humanity to sin, Jesus, as Adam's archetype, brought salvation to all mankind, with the caveat being, those who believe in Him by faith.

The church is not Israel. The church is NOT "the true Israel of God". The church are those who believe. The verse pepole use says that it is for those who listen/trust/obey,(so non-Jewish Gentiles) AND the true Israel of God. The true Israel of God is God's chosen elect in Christ from out of the nation of Israel. Elijah's remnant, the remnant Paul said existed in his day, and the remnant that exists today. They will be saved, either as individuals, or when Jesus Himself comes down (second coming) and reconciles with all of Israel who are still alive. (Which will be the elect remnant of Israel, Zechariah's 1/3rd of Israel).
 
More on Mystery Israel:

In Romans 11 Paul write of God’s eternal purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11. He states that it has always been God’s eternal purpose to save his elect Israel by calling each of his elect from among Jew and Gentile by Christ our Deliverer. Rom 11: 25-27 is a sort of parenthesis in the midst of his gentle reroof concerning God’s eternal purpose for his elect Israel. He declared that the mystery of God, God’s eternal purpose is to save all his elect from among the Jew and the Gentiles, as foretold by Jesus words Jn 10:16. That Israel shall be saved Isa 45:17 is a Gospel Promise, that included Gentiles Eph 3:6

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

And when God has fulfilled his purpose, by calling all his elect of jews and gentiles from the Gentile nations. “And so” and after this manner—"all God’s elect Israel shall be saved.” Rom 11:26

Elect Gentiles are fellowheirs with the Old Test heirs as Per Heb 11:8-10

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Gentiles are Heirs with the Fathers in the Eternal Kingdom of Inheritance Matt 8:8-12

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
When all the Body of Christ has been saved, comprised of all nationalities, then its fulfilled all Israel is saved according to promise Isa 45 17

17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.


See your error is you think Israel here is the ethnic nation of israel, its not. Its the Body of Christ saved in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Gill says of Isa 45 17
My question to you is to tell me what this means:

"until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

It says nothing about salvation. Maybe it means when Gentile's tummies are full. Or when Gentile's glasses are full.

To make it say salvation is such a great leap of doctrinal error.

There is nothing in the passage that refers to salvation. Maybe it means when all Gentile's have been born into the world.

But it doesn't say anything about salvation. You add to the Bible.
 
Okay, I'm going to take a different tact on this, due to a discussion I would have never known I would have.
1. Jesus is the archetype of Adam.
a. Adam sinned and thus all mankind (not just Jews) died.
b. Jesus died on the cross, and thus all mankind CAN live again. Caveat, only those who believe in faith.
Jesus sacrifice, being the archetype of Adam who sinned, affects all mankind, with the caveat, all mankind who believe in faith.
The man and woman were created sinful ("missing the mark"). That's the only way they could be created since the Scripture (Isaiah) says, "there is only ONE God; there is NONE like Him; and He gives His glory to NO ONE."
God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. If the man was created to possess any one 0of God's Deific Attributes he would have to possess ALL Deific Attributes of the One True God or he would fall short of God's glory. The word for that is sin. So, the man and woman were created sinful and possessed NONE of God's Deific Attributes.
1. Who are the elect in the Old Testament? Israel, made up of Hebrews/Jews. (I want to say Gentile proselytes, but that is outside of this point.) Gentiles of the New Testament are the archetype of the Jews in the Old Testament.
a. God called/chose the Jews and made them His people, but they rejected His Son the Messiah.
b. God called out to the non-Jewish Gentiles with the gospel in the New Testament, and they accepted, and entered the church.
NOTE: the church and christendom are NOT the archetype of the Old Testament elect. The term elect in relation to the nation of Israel does not mean Israel is saved, just chosen by God to be the nation over while He placed HIs name. There is an elect remnant in Israel which are those who are saved/born again/believers. In the same way, not all non-Hebrew Gentiles are saved, only those God elected to salvation through Christ in the Old Testament.
The elect is not the church, because there are quite a number of people who would probably agree with the Catholic Church not being elect...
Abraham and his seed are the chosen (elect) of God.
God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.
The angel Gabriel says that Jesus is to be named Jesus because He will save "His people" and this identifies the Hebrew people and seed of Abraham.
For those who want to say Israel is the church, they like to say that baptism took the place of circumcision.
3. Circumcision is the archetype of circumcision. (I know, circular right. Explained below.)
a. Physical circumcision showed the ethnicity of the Hebrews/Jews before God, and was also used for Gentile PROSELYTES (key word for the Old Testament)
b. Spiritual circumcision is not for ethnicity, but is for believers as a group ,as Jews are an ethnic group. All believers, to include non-Jewish Gentiles.
The Church is Israel.
The Bride is Israel.
Israel is the Great Congregation (Church) identified by God in the desert at the time of their deliverance from their bondage in Egypt to the time of the Tabernacle and beyond.
Adam bringing death into the world was universal. Christ, as the archetype of Adam, HIs call to salvation in Him is universal. (Many are called, but few are chosen.) His death and gospel message are universal, but it is God who saves.

You keep adding Judaism as a requirement for salvation, something that Paul blatantly denied. Salvation is SOLELY by faith. It is not ethnic, and there are no boundaries to the gospel message. God chose to extend the gospel message to the non-Jewish Gentiles, which is why God determined that the Jews would reject it. By that rejection, the gospel went to the non-Jewish Gentiles who accepted. When God is done dealing with the Gentiles, God will turn back to Israel, and will save His elect remnant from out of the nation of Israel. He will save the "true Israel of God". He will then fulfill His promises made to the Jews for the Jews, though Gentile believers will experience those blessings by simply being present. It isn't for them, but like rain is for plants, you will still experience rain if you step out in it. You won't sprout plants all over your body, but you will be wet.
Faith is a gift of God. Such gifts are given to Abraham and his seed; a people called the children of Israel.
Everything accompanying salvation is because of the covenant God made with Abraham. Thus, only the seed of Abraham are promised faith, the faith of Jesus Christ Himself.
Also, again, the word ethnos/ethne in the New Testament, translated as Gentile, is, historically understood (HISTORICALLY) to mean race, peoples, nation. As such, it is speaking of non-Jewish Gentiles. Mixed race Jews ARE NOT A RACE. They ARE NOT A NATION. They aren't even a people. They are Jews, and Jews are a people. The only plausible argument you can make, using original interpretations of words is that Gentiles means full-blooded Jews, not mixed race. The word has been used to mean Jew/Israelite. (ethnos, not the word Gentle.) Mixed race Jew isn't even an ethnicity. Jew is. non-Jewish Gentile is. Mixed race Jew... not so much. You were either a Jew like Timothy, or a non-Jewish Gentile like Titus. Paul had Timothy get circumcised because he was Jewish and well... ABRAHAMIC COVENANT. He had Titus NOT get circumcised because... Titus was not Jewish, he was a full blooded Gentile. If Paul had Titus get circumcised it would completely destroy Paul's ministry. Paul, who preached that salvation is by faith, not by covenant or the Law.
You can't use 21st century definitions to interpret Scripture. God made promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jacob's descendants are the true heir of the Abraham Promises and they are awaiting the fulfillment of those promises.
Just as Abraham consigned all humanity to sin, Jesus, as Adam's archetype, brought salvation to all mankind, with the caveat being, those who believe in Him by faith.

The church is not Israel. The church is NOT "the true Israel of God". The church are those who believe. The verse pepole use says that it is for those who listen/trust/obey,(so non-Jewish Gentiles) AND the true Israel of God. The true Israel of God is God's chosen elect in Christ from out of the nation of Israel. Elijah's remnant, the remnant Paul said existed in his day, and the remnant that exists today. They will be saved, either as individuals, or when Jesus Himself comes down (second coming) and reconciles with all of Israel who are still alive. (Which will be the elect remnant of Israel, Zechariah's 1/3rd of Israel).
The church Jesus Promised to build was populated by Jews. Three thousand Jews on the day of the Feast of Harvest, and thousands daily were being saved by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (by Joel.)
God's Spirit was never promised to non-Hebrew Gentiles.
 
My question to you is to tell me what this means:

"until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

It says nothing about salvation. Maybe it means when Gentile's tummies are full. Or when Gentile's glasses are full.

To make it say salvation is such a great leap of doctrinal error.

There is nothing in the passage that refers to salvation. Maybe it means when all Gentile's have been born into the world.

But it doesn't say anything about salvation. You add to the Bible.
Already answered, you need to read my posts for clarification. It still remains you trusting in the flesh.

. Paul, “…dropped all confidence in his carnal privileges, and civil, ceremonial, and moral righteousness, for Christ and His Righteousness
Paul “…esteemed his carnal descent; his form and sect of religion, and zeal in it; his ceremonial and moral righteousness before and after conversion; and everything of the creature, or what was his own, and but flesh as dung
 
A Person can be a national jew by blood, a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet spiritually have hagar as their mother, and a believing gentile that belongs to the Body of Christ spiritually has Sarah as their Mother, for Sarah is the Mother of the Church, the Body of Christ Gal 4:22-26

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman[Sarah].

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman[Sarah] was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother[Sarah] of us all. 8
 
Already answered, you need to read my posts for clarification. It still remains you trusting in the flesh.
Your interpretation adds to the Bible. It says nothing about salvation. The "fulness of the Gentiles" refers to their predominance in world affairs. Then, it will be Israel's turn to lead from the front. Then, it will be when the "fulness of Israel" comes in(to) view.
 
Scripture reveals Two Israel's Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel #1, which are of Israel #2:

Scripture reveals Two Jerusalems Gal 4:25-26


25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem #1 which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem #2 which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 8
 
It is so difficult to talk to someone who does not beleive the BIble is the inspired word of God, but solely the opinions of the writers.
Yet relies on those very words from the OT, only.
So much false teachings flow from that. He isn't giving his opinion. He is saying that it is worthless to put any confidence in the flesh, and then states what confidence in the flesh looks like. He counts all of that loss through all that God the Father Himself taught Paul for three years in the wilderness after conversion. Faith is where it is at. The Spiritual life is where it is at.

The seed of Abraham is Jesus, in whom all the nations of the world will be blessed. And that is by faith. So the true seed of Abraham are those Jews and Gentiles who believe in Christ by faith. They are the blessed ones of this promise. That is why Paul discounts the flesh. The flesh is dead, with all its trappings, while the spirit is alive in faith.
 
This thread isnt about you and me, its about "and all israel shall be saved"
Romans 11:26, which he likely has never read states... and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”
 
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