An honest inquiry into the nature of Christology by a Trinitarian
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Honestly mate? I'm getting a little bit tired of you telling me how and what I think. If you can't understand what I said in the spirit I said it? That's on you.
Next time we talk will be in heaven.
Have a nice Day.
..... which I might add never works (the bit in bold).
civic
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lol I gave you the Bible and it’s not enough , talk about diversion
civic
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I gave you the Bible , not my opinion
Johann
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Romans 27 – 7:14-25
The Battle With Sin In You
1. 7:12-14
a. “the law is spiritual” - there is nothing to fear of it - Rom 8:15, 2 Tim 1:7
b. It condemns sinners, but who are you now? – Rom 5:19, 2 Cor 5:21
c. We use the law lawfully to show sin, but we cannot use it to serve God.
d. Paul speaks experientially, trying to serve the law in the flesh – Rom 7:5-6
e. “but I am carnal” – flesh, not spiritual, the old man. The law is not the problem.
f. “sold under sin” – The difference of the penalty, power, and presence of sin
2. 7:15-16
a. “that which I do, I allow not” - What he does, he doesn’t permit himself to do (law)
b. “for what I would, that do I not” – he wants to do good, but he doesn’t
c. “but what I hate, that do I” – Instead, he hates that he still sins.
d. The experience of a saved man dwelling in corruptible flesh
e. “I consent unto the law” – The law is good, I join the law in condemning myself.
3. 7:17-20
a. “no more I that do it”- Paul explains the difference the separation (sanctification):
i. our will and power; old and new man; flesh and mind; sight and faith
b. Sin is present in us, we cannot deny it, eradicate it, dismiss it, be ignorant of it.
c. “in me” – in me, who? There is now a dichotomy, a different identity - 2 Cor 5:21
d. “dwelleth no good thing” – the old man is religious, but the just shall live by faith
e. The issue is performance and he concludes that we can’t do it if we wanted to
f. Walking after the flesh to keep the law will end in no good thing out of you
g. James had a way to do the law (Eze 36:27) - James 1:8, 1:16, 2:9-10, 3:11-12, 4:17
h. We see what to perform, we see a will to perform, we do not see how to perform
4. 7:21-25
a. “I see a law” – this is not the Mosaic Law. There is more than one “law”.
b. “when you would do good” – He thought now he was saved he could do it Gal 3:2-3
c. “evil is present” – It is important to identify the enemy, and he is in you.
d. “I delight in the law of God” – This is a saved man talking, not without fear of God.
e. “inward man” – This man is weak in us - Eph 3:16, Col 1:9-10, 2 Cor 4:16
f. There is a war in us, the flesh wins every time because of 1 Cor 15:56
g. The reason you are depressed and condemned is because you do it on your own
h. W do not fight with our flesh –2 Cor 10:3-4, 1 Tim 6:12, 1 Cor 10:13,
i. We fight with the strength of Christ in us by the Spirit - Eph 6:10-17
j. Righteousness / sanctification does not come by the law – Gal 2:20-21
k. When your inner man is weak, God can be strong in you by faith – 2 Cor 12:9
Wilber
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Like Bullwinkle pulling the rabbit out of a hat, That trick never works..... which I might add never works (the bit in bold).
The Bible is not a hammer to be used to hit people over the head with but it seems you are quite content to use it that way. None of what you posted answered my question.
It seems you can't even acknowledge what the word says when it disagrees with your thinking. It remains, there is a law (not a law of God) that is at work in your body. It is called the "sin nature", a term not in the Bible just like the "Trinity" or "Hypostatic Union" are not in the Bible but is used to describe, not just the law mentioned in Romans 7:23, but includes it's affect upon the soul and it's alluring capacity. It is not the reason we sin, but it adds to understanding why we have a deep and unending propensity to sin without the grace and knowledge of God.
I gave you scripture and you ignored it. So please stop acting like you are the only one who turns to the Bible for their thinking.I gave you the Bible , not my opinion
Wilber
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DavidTree
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Maybe this helps, even just a little.I gave you the Bible , not my opinion
Why are Blood washed Saints still experiencing physical death when their sins have been PAID for in FULL?
praise_yeshua
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Death puts off the body of sin. Nature is another story.
A person can not cease from sin apart from literally dying. That takes place by us "dying daily" (wherein we ultimately fail. Nobody and I mean nobody endlessly dies daily) or we receive our heavenly bodies that comes from heaven.
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praise_yeshua
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You're not speaking from the Spirit. You are sharing your opinion. Like I have told you before, your words express what you think. I'm NOT "thinking for you". You are expressing what you think and what you think is wrong.
praise_yeshua
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..... which I might add never works (the bit in bold).
That's isn't accurate. I've never seen him even imply this.
GeneZ
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God wants neither....
Our human good is as wood, hay, and stubble to the Lord.
God wants us to walk filled with the Spirit and truth.
Kindness will be found that way. But, not on an unwavering basis.
Some things will offend those walking in their human good.
Our righteousness is as filthy rags.... Isaiah 64:6
God is not looking for us to "act" a certain way to please Him.
That ends up being legalism.
Jesus was certainly not some "love everyone" type..
That's why they sent in a group of armed men to arrest him...
GeneZ
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But he is the only one....
He has been doing it the same way for 100 years, so he must be right (something like that)..
Diserner
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Let's hope and pray that he sees his sinful nature again one day, and turns from his self-righteous doctrine.
Wilber
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The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
Wilber
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I love that, We Are Family... we're all In the family Of God. Brothers and Sisters in Christ
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