An honest inquiry into the nature of Christology by a Trinitarian

praise_yeshua said:
Then you should be able to accept that unbelief is what caused Eve to be deceived. You're insisting that she knew what would happen. She didn't. There is no reason to believe she did.

Adam knew what would happen.

added - 1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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Unbelief is never asserted as her sin.

Eve correctly and truthfully stated: And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

Genesis ch3 tells us directly what was her downfall = Post #475

Now, what i would do in your case, is search the scriptures to see if there are any references associated with the Garden account and Eve specifically that states it was Eve's unbelief.

Please let me know if you find it.
 
DavidTree said:
Unbelief is never asserted as her sin.
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It certainly is. I provided what Paul stated.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

What is deception? You rightfully commented that Eve knew what Adam was told.

DavidTree said:
Eve correctly and truthfully stated: And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

Genesis ch3 tells us directly what was her downfall = Post #475

Now, what i would do in your case, is search the scriptures to see if there are any references associated with the Garden account and Eve specifically that states it was Eve's unbelief.
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Did you miss these words in your quoting of Genesis #3....

"that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom"?

She didn't believe what God said. She believe Satan's claim over what God has said.
 
praise_yeshua said:
It certainly is. I provided what Paul stated.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

What is deception? You rightfully commented that Eve knew what Adam was told.



Did you miss these words in your quoting of Genesis #3....

"that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom"?

She didn't believe what God said. She believe Satan's claim over what God has said.
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Got it.

That does not equate to unbelief but you are getting closer.
 
praise_yeshua said:
It certainly is. I provided what Paul stated.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

What is deception? You rightfully commented that Eve knew what Adam was told.



Did you miss these words in your quoting of Genesis #3....

"that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom"?

She didn't believe what God said. She believe Satan's claim over what God has said.
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Stay with the exact words of Gen 3:6 and 1 Timothy 2:14

Your HOT with 'deception' upon Eve.
 
praise_yeshua said:
Sure it does. If Eve believed God, she wouldn't have believed serpent said. What the serpent said contradicted what God said.

You can only have one Master. You either love one or hate the other....
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Find the scripture that states that "Eve sinned because she did not believe God"
 
DavidTree said:
Stay with the exact words of Gen 3:6 and 1 Timothy 2:14

Your HOT with 'deception' upon Eve.
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I'm accurately dealing with the issue. You don't have the exact words of Gen 3:6 and 1 Timothy 2:14. The English language have many words to choose from.

Eve was innocent and didn't understand what her choice would bring.
 
It never ceases to amaze me on these forums how people who claim to know God's word spend more time
arguing against "It is written", in favor of their own assumptions.
 
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praise_yeshua said:
I'm accurately dealing with the issue. You don't have the exact words of Gen 3:6 and 1 Timothy 2:14. The English language have many words to choose from.

Eve was innocent and didn't understand what her choice would bring.
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Right now you are being tempted the same way Eve was = wisdom of this world
 
DavidTree said:
Find the scripture that states that "Eve sinned because she did not believe God"
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Being deceived is not innocence. It is innocence lost.

As I stated before. Paul tied his own sin to "unbelief" and ignorance.

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
 
praise_yeshua said:
Being deceived is not innocence. It is innocence lost.

As I stated before. Paul tied his own sin to "unbelief" and ignorance.

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
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Brother, i am all for you since "God is for us".

Paul never said unbelief was her downfall.

Paul clearly stated "deception"

Someone else CLEARLY stated it was "deception" = Who was it???
 
DavidTree said:
Brother, i am all for you since "God is for us".

Paul never said unbelief was her downfall.

Paul clearly stated "deception"

Someone else CLEARLY stated it was "deception" = Who was it???
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I'll ask again..

How about telling me the difference between beguile, deception, and unbelief?

Paul tied his sin to unbelief.
 
praise_yeshua said:
I'll ask again..

How about telling me the difference between beguile, deception, and unbelief?

Paul tied his sin to unbelief.
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i will gladly show you the difference if you will find the scripture(s) as follows:

Paul said, unequivocally, Eve's fall was deception.
a.) find the scripture that states: "Eve's sin was unbelief"
c.) Who was the other person beside Paul who clearly stated Eve's sin was thru deception

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Please hit the refresh button = Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
 
DavidTree said:
You just lost my respect for being a mocker of the Word of Truth.

And your quote of scripture "not many of you should be teachers" applies directly to yourself.
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Well pooh pooh on you too! :cry:

My "fair weather" friend.... 1705612448281.png1705612451503.png


Keep in mind. The following applies for all of us.

Jesus faced self righteousness resistance of those who thought they had to be the correct ones.
So shall we too, if we are in fact walking in the Spirit and sound doctrine.....

One may not always tell what that is....

But, some will.


👣 ....in faith
 
GeneZ said:
Well pooh pooh on you too! :cry:

My "fair weather" friend.... View attachment 481View attachment 482


Keep in mind. The following applies for all of us.

Jesus faced self righteousness resistance of those who thought they had to be the correct ones.
So shall we too, if we are in fact walking in the Spirit and sound doctrine.....

One may not always tell what that is....

But, some will.


👣 ....in faith
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Jesus never mocked scripture.

His Apostles never mocked scripture.

We are living at the very end of this age where 'christianity' is operating as a popularity contest.

The majority of christians today are fully persuaded by their religious upbringing and place that above God's words more often then not.

One who is led by the Holy Spirit knows the difference as we trust completely in "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God".

This is the state of christianity today - 2 Timothy 4:3

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."

The BIG FABLE that most have bought hook, line and sinker is pre-trib rapture.
 
DavidTree said:
i will gladly show you the difference if you will find the scripture(s) as follows:

Paul said, unequivocally, Eve's fall was deception.
a.) find the scripture that states: "Eve's sin was unbelief"
c.) Who was the other person beside Paul who clearly stated Eve's sin was thru deception

​

Please hit the refresh button = Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
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When you get "stumped", you just repeat yourself. That is what people do. I'm not going repeat myself anymore.

Hold on to what you believe. It is your choice.
 

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