An honest inquiry into the nature of Christology by a Trinitarian
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GeneZ
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Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you
that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the
benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the
benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!”
John 11:40-43
If Jesus were functioning as God?
He would have had no need to thank the Father.
If he wanted to prove he is God?
He would have simply done it himself to demonstrate that he was God without need for thanking the Father...
GeneZ
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You said Jesus walked on water because he is God.
With that in mind....
I will let God show you why I answered you the way I did.
See what you told me?
Walking on water is no way to prove He is God. For Peter did the same thing by means of the Spirit, as it was with Jesus...
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civic
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Thanks I have yet to make a bad post
Dizerner
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GeneZ
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Are there more than one Synergy here?
Now you are in agreement with all the things you were saying was wrong with my thinking...
Rockson
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GeneZ
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Wrangler
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Manmade IDOLATRY. Obviously, your definitional understanding of ‘fully’ is elastic.
What you say is anti-Scriptural. There is one God, the Father. There is only God the father.
Jesus died. That proves he is not God.
Wrangler
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Appeal to Ignorance.
Wrangler
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Again proving Jesus is not God but a container where God dwells.
GeneZ
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No... That proves that he truly does have two natures.
God had to show us that in various passages, so that some knucklehead will not think Jesus was only a man.
GeneZ
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Now.... You tell Jesus that if you find yourself in the Second resurrection.
See what He tells you.
Nope.
Unfortunately no. I told sawdust that when he claims that the Preincarnate Word has a soul, he is effectively saying that the Preincarnate Word's soul is separate from his body (which is only acquired at the Incarnation) and that's the definition of physical death. IOW, both you and sawdust are doing nothing less than ascribing physical death to the Preincarnate Word. I told sawdust that any attempt to redefine physical death, in an attempt to escape this predicament that he finds himself in, will be immediately denied.
Rockson
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Perhaps we can take this beyond just a school of thought?
How God anointed (that means empowered folks) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; (now watch the next statement) ---> for God ....was with him. Acts 10:38
So why was it possible for Jesus to heal all which were oppressed on the devil? For.....for...(this is the reason why and this is what the Apostles knew to be true) FOR. Somebody was with him. And who was that? God the Father and the Spirit.
Jesus also said in another place the Father in me he does the works. He didn't say it was possible for he functioned as the Son of God with his own power. He functioned as something different The Son of Man. Read over and over and over in the gospels what he stressed he is the Son of Man, the Son of Man, the Son of Man.
He was the Son of God though HE WAS! Not denying he wasn't. But notice something as the usual most of the time thing he never publicly much highlighted that fact and we see the following.....Jesus asked the disciples who men say that he was.....and Peter said to him after the disciples gave thought to it.....he told Jesus he was the Son of the living God.....now the shocking thing......He said to his disciples, that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. Matt 16:20 After the resurrection that very much was their mandate but not then.
GeneZ
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Before the Incarnation: His life was in God... not in a body... while in Heaven before the Incarnation.
You keep drawing your concept from how man relates to God.
We are not God and Soul in Union.
At best, we can be the Holy Spirit and soul in fellowship.
His immaterial Soul was fully immersed in immaterial God... Its not the same kind of relationship man has.
When He came to earth... He removed Himself from his right to be fully immersed in God (Philippians 2:6-8)
.. and, as a Soul in a body, made his experience with His soul to be as a man.
grace and peace ....................
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I told you that any attempt to redefine physical death will be immediately denied. Resistance to that universal definition is futile and you ascribing physical death to the Preincarnate Word is undeniable. You can deal with it or not. The choice is yours.
GeneZ
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You need to start thinking with more depth and snap out of the simplistic
if you are going to learn to better understand the nature of God.
We are talking about God pre-Incarnate. Not some soul that was awaiting a body.
Jesus as the Lord God of Israel did not have to have "physical Life" to be alive.
For as being Soul and Deity in union? God was His "spiritual body."
He was omnipresent in the mind of his soul.
Hew limited all that for His Soul when he made "himself become as a man."
Then His Soul needed a body for physical life..
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Rockson
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Yeah well when I said perhaps we can what I really meant is to appeal to ones who haven't considered what we're saying. I have believed what I've shared in my posts (on this particular subject) for many, many years.
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