praise_yeshua
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Step by step is required for how faith helped you with the English language?
An honest inquiry into the nature of Christology by a Trinitarian
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Step by step is required for how faith helped you with the English language?
praise_yeshua
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They were created peccable. Capable of sin. They later sinned. The fact they were capable of disobedience is found in the disobedience.
Johann
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Reminds me of this-
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Rockson
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Interesting link Dizerner. He does actually give an interesting analogy how Jesus can or could have suspended or retracted as he put it his divine attributes while on the earth....and STILL have them, not giving them up but having them not active. I'd say it really does deserve a fair hearing.Also check this out:
Kenotic Christology Explained And Defended
Kenotic Christology Explained and Defended Throughout my career as student and professor of theology I have often talked and written about “kenoticwww.patheos.com
Christ's main kenosis was veiling his Divinity, taking on of human nature, and the Cross.Also check this out:
Kenotic Christology Explained And Defended
Kenotic Christology Explained and Defended Throughout my career as student and professor of theology I have often talked and written about “kenotic
Rockson
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Maybe we should just hold on a minute. That to say he made himself of no reputation....fair translation....I won't say it can't be used but at least Strong concordance says this about the actual word
kenoó: to empty
Original Word: κενόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kenoó
Phonetic Spelling: (ken-o'-o)
Definition: to empty
Usage: (a) I empty, (b) I deprive of content, make unreal.
On bible hub....majority of translations has it emptied. Just something to keep in mind if we're going to look at this subject with sincerity giving every argument a fair hearing.
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Johann
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Already answered-
1) "But made himself of no reputation" (alla heauton ekenosen) But emptied himself," self-effacing, condescension, unselfishness are here ascribed to Christ in His voluntary earthly birth and life, an example of practical ethical conduct for every believer in and professor of Christ, Isa_53:2-3; Mar_8:34.
εκενωσεν G2758 G5656 EMPTIED, μορφην G3444FORM
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756
G2756 κενός kenos (ke-nos') adj.
empty.
{literally or figuratively}
[apparently a primary word]
KJV: empty, (in) vain
G2756 * κενός (kenos)
kenos H205 * אָוֶן ('āwen) aven
kenos H268 * אָחֹר אָחוֹר ('āḥōr 'āḥôr) achor
kenos H391 * אַכְזָב ('aḵəzāḇ) akhzav
kenos H657 * אֶפֶס ('ep̄es) ephes
kenos H1891 * הָבַל (hāḇal) haval
kenos H1892 * הַבֵל הֶבֶל (haḇēl heḇel) hevel
kenos H2600 * חִנָּם (ḥinnām) chinnam
kenos H2637 * חָסֵר (ḥāsēr) chaser hi.
kenos H3576 * כָּזַב (kāzaḇ) kazav pi.
kenos H3808 * לֹה לוֹא לֹא (lōh lô' lō') lo raah pu.
kenos H3808 * לֹה לוֹא לֹא (lōh lô' lō') lo sakhan
kenos H7385 * רִיק (rîq) #riq
kenos H7387 * רֵיקָם (rêqām) reqam
kenos H7723 * שַׁוְא שָׁוְא (šawə' šāwə') shav
kenos H8264 * שָׁקַק (šāqaq) shaqaq
kenos H8267 * שֶׁקֶר (šeqer) sheqer
kenos H8414 * תֹּהוּ (tōhû) tohu
7Emptied himself. This emptying is the same as the abasement, as to which we shall see afterwards. The expression, however, is used, ευμφατικωτέρως, (more emphatically,) to mean, — being brought to nothing. Christ, indeed, could not divest himself of Godhead; but he kept it concealed for a time, that it might not be seen, under the weakness of the flesh. Hence he laid aside his glory in the view of men, not by lessening it, but by concealing it.
I'm all for giving every argument a fair hearing.
J.
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DavidTree
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YEP, i went to school in obedience and applied myself to learning in faith since there was no other way.
Either you believe in faith the instructions of the teacher and then obey thru application or you remain uneducated.
There is earthbound 'faith' that pertains to this world and everyday living.
When you cross a bridge you do so trusting/faith that the bridge will not collapse.
This is not SAVING FAITH but it is a level of faith nonetheless.
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DavidTree
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Being capable and doing are not mandatorily inclusive of each other.
Adam & Eve were created in a sinless state of existence walking WITH the LORD.
Then another 'son of God' showed up who's name was not Adam.
John 8:44 - "You(those who sought to kill the LORD) are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."
DavidTree
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BINGO x100
GeneZ
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What do we get when it says He has two natures (not just one nature)? God + Perfect man.
Would Clark Kent stop being Superman when he appeared before others having to limit his actions as being as man?
No, he would not. He would still be Superman, but choosing to deny himself of using his super human powers.
In Clark's case?
It was an act.
But, it shows even he could limit how much power he exerted by choice.
As for the Lord?
He is truly two different natures in a unique union ...
Its a union that seems very few people are able to think about objectively in the needed terms to grasp the concept.
First, they must let go of their own hazy concept they developed as a means to stabilize and cope with knowing He is two natures in union.
Once they can do that? Then they can allow the Spirit to show them ways it does actually work...
It takes the Holy Spirit, not logic alone.
.........
Dizerner
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Yeah?
Well I don't think concealing something is logically the same thing as laying it aside.
If I go out on the street as a homeless man, and I have a million dollars in a duffel bag that I carry around, do I "lay aside" the million dollars?
If I come into a chess tournament and "conceal" the fact that I am a GM and play like a beginner, did I "lay aside" my chess skill?
No, brother, it does not work.
"Laying aside" something means far more than just hiding it.
DavidTree
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Good word GeneZ - thank you
Dizerner
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Dizerner
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Good point.
One thing I've never had anyone answer.
Why did Jesus say, "I could ask the Father for a legion of angels."?
Why didn't Jesus say, "I could simply bust out my divinity on the spot!"?
???
DavidTree
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YES, my Brother
Here is the punchline to 'ketosis' = "the Fat is the LORD's" - Leviticus 3:16
Exodus 3:16 = Leviticus 3:16 = Matt 3:16 = John 3:16
Ketosis is a metabolic state in which your body uses fat as its main energy source.
Dizerner
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good one, lol
DavidTree
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Very glad you liked it.
DavidTree
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OK, i'll give it a crack!
It relates to this - "Michael and His angels fought"
NO, i am not saying Jesus is Michael.
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