An Article on free will

I'm not here for "likes" or "purple hearts" @Kermos but for truth.

Understand?

J.

Fascinating, Johann, you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) in the detailed first paragraph addressed to you, and you latch onto the short second paragraph addressed specifically to two others.

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that post #7,281 opens with an absolutely awesome event occurring about God's desire (desire=unsatisfied state) for Lord Jesus says "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I desired to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling" (Matthew 23:37) in extremely close proximity to the timeframe of when God's desire regarding Jerusalem "to gather your children together" was satisfied as the Apostle Matthew records "And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, 'Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!'" as Christ triumphantly rode Jerusalem (Matthew 21:9). Hallelujah, Almighty God's desire satisfied!

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that post #7,281 is about 1,147 words (post #7,281) while your post was about 1,029 words (post #7,212) and your other subsequent response was about 1,691 words (post #7,292) - all while you applied "data dump" to post #7,281.

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that post #7,281 exposes your non-Word of God traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) in your posts #7,212 and #7,292 such as when you conveyed that by free-will "believers must respond by actively working out their salvation" in your post #7,292 yet the Holy Spirit through Paul attributes the very deep "believers must respond by actively working out their salvation" to truly be God working the will and works of us believers with "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12-13).

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that post #7,281 which you wrote of as being "too long for me to respond" then later you responded with your post #7,292 demonstrates your lack of Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that post #7,281 dispells the myth of "free-will choosing to respond" according to the Word of God “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21).

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) regarding:

1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(1 Timothy 2:1-4)
just because you say "If "all men" in verse 1 means every human being, then verse 4 doesn’t suddenly change meaning" does not make your saying Truth (John 14:6) because NT Holy Scripture can contextually change a phrase's meaning in rapid progress. You see, we Christians know that all men means "all men of different types so that God's desire results in all men in the Assembly of God are chosen by God" because of (1) the intervening context between verse 1 and 4, (2) the first letter to Timothy from Paul is constrained by being a letter from believer to believer, and (3) God's glory in God's desires always arriving at God's satisfaction, that is, God's good pleasure Philippians 2:13.

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that the letter to Titus is a letter among people sharing a common faith, not individual free-will faiths, for the faith is fully delivered into man by the work of God (John 6:29) - the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness as shown in the letter!s salutation:

1 Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago, 3 but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior,
4 To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior
(Titus 1:1-4)
thus the letter is constrained to the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness.

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that you wrote "The phrase is the same, and here it obviously refers to everyone, not just the elect" of (Titus 2:11).

You wrote you are here "for truth", but you skipped the Truth (John 14:6) that your heart's "Titus 2:11 all men obviously refers to everyone" leads to the following situation for fleshly people, dead in sin, ungodly multitude, unbelievers in relation to God according to your Free-willian Philosophy:
  • God brought salvation to Tom, independently before Tom heard of God. if Tom of the world chooses to believe in Christ before he dies, then God must profit Tom with eternal life being saved from the wrath of God.
  • God brought salvation to Nancy, independently before Nancy heard of God. if Nancy of the world chooses to believe not in Christ right until her dying thoughts, then God must punish Nancy with eternal damnation being under the wrath of God.
  • The conclusion: Christ's salvation succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's salvation failed in saving Nancy of the world.
So, you free-willians believe in Christ's failure atonement since people like Nancy end up in hell while being among the all men having Christ's salvation.

God’s good pleasure is the core of the matter regarding God's will in "who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4) because the Holy Spirit makes clear "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).

All glory to God!
 
So nowhere then. Thanks
You're sweet Presby.
The NT is chock full of verses that reject calvinism.
Since you didn't reply, I'll just post both teachings.

1. GOD DESIRES THAT ALL MEN BE SAVED:

1 Timothy 2:4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:8-9
8But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Titus 2:11
11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

John 12:32
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

Now, let's find out why all men will not be saved since this is what God wants:
Notice that each verse requires an action on our part....

2. MAN HAS THE FREE WILL TO REJECT GOD:

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 10:13
13For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Isaiah 45:22
22“Turn to me and be saved
Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
Acts 2:38
38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
Also, you didn-t read my post very well.
I DID NOT say that RC was tricked.

I said that many calvinists get tricked into that belief system.
I don-t think RC is the type that could be tricked...
And if you read what he wrote...
He KNEW what he was being told about God
BUT DIDN-T LIKE IT.
You quoted him in reference to being tricked. Honesty is the best policy. Repenting is even better.

Not liking it does not mean He was tricked. Good try though
 
You really don't seem to accept the truth that He must condemn and punish sin. It is one of His character traits. Just as He must tell the truth, He must condemn and punish sin. He has established a plan of salvation for mankind that adheres to who and what God is. Do not assume that another plan could have been conceived.
But He wants to save you. Your sin prevents Him from doing so. Your sin is more powerful than God's desires.
 
You're sweet Presby.
The NT is chock full of verses that reject calvinism.
Since you didn't reply, I'll just post both teachings.

1. GOD DESIRES THAT ALL MEN BE SAVED:

1 Timothy 2:4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:8-9
8But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Titus 2:11
11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

John 12:32

32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
Now, let's find out why all men will not be saved since this is what God wants:
Notice that each verse requires an action on our part....

2. MAN HAS THE FREE WILL TO REJECT GOD:

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 10:13
13For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Isaiah 45:22
22“Turn to me and be saved
Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
Acts 2:38
38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Then why does He not simply save all men?

I do not deny free will. For the how many times now?
 
And you are simply being dishonest. RC said no such thing. You should repent as your Bible instructs you to do.
Go buy his biography and check out page 13.

If someone does not agree with you, they're dishonest?
There's another member on this forum that feels the same.

You don't know what DISHONEST means,,,
HOW could you ever understand scripture??
 
Then why does He not simply save all men?

I do not deny free will. For the how many times now?
Read my post again Presby.
It's all right there.

You're good at reading minds....
But could you read plain English?

And, again, regarding free will,
change your avatar name.

Presbyterians do not believe in free will.
 
If you like everything about God's ways, you are de facto deceived.

Jesus said offenses WILL come, not may come.

I know my sin nature does not like making God the ultimate priority.
Interesting concept.
Here's what I know for sure:
If I follow God's ways my life will be more simple and less perturbed.
Yes. I DO like God's ways.

And your sin nature should be put under submission.
This is what conversion and transformation is all about.
 
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