All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Johann]

Almost all translators disagree with the version you are quoting here.
For 2 Thes 1:12, the number of translations separating God from Jesus is overwhelming. So overwhelming, that I won’t quote them here, unless you are interested.

The inspired author of 2 Thessalonians treats God and Jesus as different persons from the very first verses… and also in the very last verses! Not only that, Johann: Paul gives the title God to Our Father, just as Jesus did in John 20:17.

OPENING STATEMENT:
Paul, Silas and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

CLOSING STATEMENT:
“May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.”

Extremely weak-no counter-rebuttal whatsoever. And forgive me for saying this, but by your own admission, you are not even a Christian.

The Grammar and Syntax of 2 Thessalonians 1:12
The Greek phrase in question reads:
"κατὰ τὴν χάριν τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ Κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ."

A. Granville Sharp’s Rule and a Singular Referent

Granville Sharp's rule states that when two singular, personal nouns in the same case are connected by καὶ (and), with the first having the article and the second lacking it, they generally refer to the same person. While some-like you- argue that this rule is not absolute when applied to θεός and κύριος, the construction strongly suggests a singular referent.

A.T. Robertson, in A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, explains that such a construction often identifies a single person unless context dictates otherwise.

J.B. Lightfoot and B.F. Westcott likewise affirm that this type of phrasing frequently points to a singular entity.

Given this grammatical structure, a legitimate translation of 2 Thessalonians 1:12 is "according to the grace of our God and Lord, Jesus Christ," affirming Christ’s deity.

B. Alternative Translations and High Christology
Even if τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν and Κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ are read as distinct, this does not negate Christ’s divine status. Paul consistently attributes to Jesus divine prerogatives, as seen in Philippians 2:6-11, Colossians 1:15-20, and Titus 2:13.


A. Parallel Constructions in Paul’s Writings

Titus 2:13 (τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ) is translated as "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ," demonstrating a high Christology.

Romans 9:5 (ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων Θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας) refers to Christ as "God over all."

Paul consistently applies divine titles and prerogatives to Jesus, aligning Him with Yahweh. Notably, he refers to Jesus as κύριος in contexts that echo the LXX (e.g., Romans 10:13 citing Joel 2:32).

B. Jesus Shares Divine Roles

He is worshiped and prayed to (2 Corinthians 12:8-9; Philippians 2:10-11).

He is Creator and Sustainer (Colossians 1:16-17).

He is explicitly called "our great God and Savior" (Titus 2:13).

3. The Opening and Closing Statements of 2 Thessalonians
A. Distinction in Personhood Does Not Imply a Difference in Essence

You note that Paul distinguishes between Jesus and the Father in the opening (2 Thessalonians 1:1-2) and closing (2 Thessalonians 2:16-17), arguing that this proves Jesus is not God. However:

Trinitarian theology affirms that the Father and Son are distinct persons.

The issue is not whether they are distinguished but whether Christ is included in the divine identity—Paul consistently includes Him as such.

B. Paul’s Consistent Use of "God the Father" and "Lord Jesus Christ"

"God our Father" (ὁ Θεὸς ὁ πατὴρ ἡμῶν) is a Trinitarian designation, not a denial of Christ’s deity.

The title "Lord" (κύριος) applied to Jesus is drawn from the LXX, where it refers to Yahweh.

The distinction of persons does not equate to a difference in nature, as seen in John 1:1 and John 10:30.


Your claim that 2 Thessalonians 1:12 refutes Christ’s deity overlooks Greek syntax, Pauline theology, and the wider scriptural witness. The phrase τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ Κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ grammatically allows for a singular referent, and Paul’s broader writings consistently attribute divine prerogatives to Christ. Rather than undermining Christ’s deity, this passage aligns with Trinitarian doctrine.

Leave this, Pancho, and remain with the Bahá'í Faith.

Thanks.

J.

 

[Fred]

Those pronouns refer to Jesus, who was mentioned just before that sentence.

Which is further proof that "God" is in reference to Jesus in verse 13.

When it reads that believers are a "people for His own possession" corresponds to what was said concerning believers in the OT in reference to God. In fact, it is found in Deuteronomy 7:6 which links with the 'Shema' of Deuteronomy 6:4.

Deuteronomy 6:4; 7:6
(6:4) Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
(7:6) For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a people for His own possession, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Titus 2:14
Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.


So what applies to YHWH is used in equality to the Lord Jesus. See more below.

Psalm 130:7-8
7 Let Israel hope in the Lord: for with the Lord there is mercy, and with Him is plenteous redemption.
8 And He shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
Titus 2:14
Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.


katharizō
Ezekiel 37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Titus 2:13-14
13 Looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

 

[TomL]

It has not been “replaced” semantically.
Jehovah even as Kurios, keeps being The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, your God. who raised Jesus from the dead.
And Jesus, even as Kurios, keeps being His Servant.

sorry but it has

As Mark references the Hebrew Shema

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

in Greek rendering it

Mark 12:29 (UASV) — 29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;

Where Lord obviously replaces Jehovah

And as I had stated

Romans 10:9–13 (UASV) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call on him; 13 for “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

verse 9 in combination with verse 13 which is still speaking of Christ in its Old Testament reference

Joel 2:32 (UASV) — 32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved;.......

Points to Christ being Jehovah

for If to be saved you need to Call upon the name of Jehovah and you are saved by calling on Christ then Christ is Jehovah

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

sorry but it has

As Mark references the Hebrew Shema

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

in Greek rendering it

Mark 12:29 (UASV) — 29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;

Where Lord obviously replaces Jehovah

And as I had stated

I see your point, my friend.
In his speech to bring unity between Greeks and Jews, Paul is making a parallelism with the passage of Prophet Joel.

In the Book of Joel, Adonai refers to the God of Israel... the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Whatever the previous situation of the people of Israel, if they turned to Adonai wholeheartedly, they would be saved.

In the Epistle to Romans, Kurios refers to Jesus. Whatever the previous situation of the believer, whether from Jewish or Gentile descent, if they accepted the lordship of Jesus, they would be saved.

Obviously, to turn to Jesus means to turn to God. To oppose Jesus means to oppose God. To accept the lordship of Jesus meant to accept His Father as God.

Paul was not teaching that the God of Israel was Jesus.

1. First, because Paul was a Jewish monotheist, a Pharisee, and Jesus had never called Jews to abandon their monotheism. All the contrary, Jesus has validated Jewish monotheism as true, as we have seen in the exchange between the scribe and Jesus in Mark 12.
2. Second, because that would have contradicted more than a hundred of Paul's own statements. If Jesus was the God of his ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, there would be no point in Paul insisting in separating the two things over and over. Peter's speech in Acts 3 would have been wrong. Furthermore, the first chapter of the Epistle of Hebrews would be wrong, because it says that the same God that had sent prophets in the past to Israel had sent Jesus now.

I understand that you believe that Jesus is YHWH, but such belief would create thousands of unsolvable inconsistencies across Scriptures.

Here are few of them: Who was The Father in the Old Testament? Was Jesus introducing a new god to Hebrews? Did Hebrews understand Jesus was talking about a different god everytime He mentioned the Father? Which God the apostles worshiped, and why Jesus says that His God was the very same God that his disciples worshiped? When Jesus told the Samaritan woman that the Father was seeking for true worshippers, who would worship Him in spirit and truth, did He refer to YHWH or to another god?
Did the apostles and Paul thought that the Father was not the God of Israel? If so, who they thought The Father was?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Which is further proof that "God" is in reference to Jesus in verse 13.

When it reads that believers are a "people for His own possession" corresponds to what was said concerning believers in the OT in reference to God. In fact, it is found in Deuteronomy 7:6 which links with the 'Shema' of Deuteronomy 6:4.

Deuteronomy 6:4; 7:6
(6:4) Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
(7:6) For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a people for His own possession, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Titus 2:14
Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

You are Jesus' own possession. Do you agree?
Now, how is that?
Well. Jesus explains it when, praying to The True and Only God, Jesus tells Him:
“I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. (John 17:6)

Does God need to be given something in possession, or to inherit something? No. Otherwise, He wouldn't be God.

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There are dozens of arguments placed in this Forum that follow the same logical fallacy:

PREMISE 1: In the Old Testament, The God of Israel does X or has Y.
PREMISE 2: In the New Testament, Jesus does X or has Y.
CONCLUSION: Jesus is the God of Israel.

So, if the God of Israel saves and Jesus saves, Jesus is God.
If the God of Israel judges and Jesus judges, Jesus is God.
If the God of Israel forgives sins and Jesus forgives sins, Jesus is God.

This is a fallacy

• First, because Jesus himself explains several times that he is given power, authority, and orders to say or do things, from Our God.
• Second, because many of these things are also shared with men who are not Jesus, like forgiving sins, conferring the Holy Spirit, bringing people to life, sitting in Jesus' throne, judging the world, being royal priests, and promised to do things "greater" than those of Jesus.

In conclusion, Jesus as The Anointed of God, Son of God, Messenger of God, Visible Manifestation of God, has the rights and powers that God confers to Him to accomplish his mission. But Jesus does all these things without never losing sight that this is for the Glory of The Father, the Only and True God. His God, Our God. It is because of Jesus total submission and obedience to the Only and True God, His God, that God exalts Him... and even in the summit of his exaltation, the Bible reminds us that bowing to Christ is not ultimately for the glory of Christ himself, but for the glory of The Father.

 

[Fred]

You are Jesus' own possession. Do you agree?
How is that?
Well. Jesus explains it when, praying to The True and Only God, Jesus tells him:
“I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. (John 17:6)

Being His own possession entails worshiping Jesus and not any other idol. This is precisely what the OT spoke of concerning YHWH.

Try not dodging this fact.

 

[Behold]

Before Jesus was virgin born as "GOD manifested in the Flesh", He was "the Word"... and "the Word became Flesh and dwelt among us"..

So, who is JESUS "the WORD"......pre-incarnate?

He is this one........

"Let US.... make man... in OUR image".

See the "us & our"?

This is Father God... and "the Word became flesh" as "God manifested in the Flesh".. Is Jesus

"US & Our".. is God and Jesus the Pre-incarnate "Word".

They are "One" yet they are 2.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Being His own possession entails worshiping Jesus and not any other idol. This is precisely what the OT spoke of concerning YHWH.

Try not dodging this fact.

Being the possession of Christ means worshiping the same God he worshiped, and submitting your will to the same God Jesus submitted his will to.

Next time you bow to Christ, please remember you do it for the glory of His Father.
Next time you pray to Christ, a valid recipient of your prayer, please remember that you do it so that He can present your prayer to the Father.

Nothing in your personal relationship with Christ is disconnected from the ultimate mission of Christ: to take you to God, Our Father. That's your goal and destination. God bless you, my friend.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

B. Paul’s Consistent Use of "God the Father" and "Lord Jesus Christ"

"God our Father" (ὁ Θεὸς ὁ πατὴρ ἡμῶν) is a Trinitarian designation, not a denial of Christ’s deity.

Why do you say that, Johann?
God The Father is not a Trinitarian designation.
I say "God The Father". Does that make me Trinitarian?

If The Father is the Only and True God, then The Father is the Only and True God. Period!

Christ didn't need to say "I am not God" for the same reason Moses, or Isaiah, or Paul, or Barnabas, didn't need to say "I am not God".
Once you know who is the Only and True God, you don't need disclaimers from anyone!
Even more if the person who is telling you who is the Only and True God is Jesus Himself ! (John 17:1-3 and John 20:17)

"God The Son", in contrast, is a Trinitarian designation. A designation that is absent in the Bible.

 

[Johann]

Why do you say that, Johann?
God The Father is not a Trinitarian designation.
I say "God The Father". Does that make me Trinitarian?

If The Father is the Only and True God, then The Father is the Only and True God. Period!

Christ didn't need to say "I am not God" for the same reason Moses, or Isaiah, or Paul, or Barnabas, didn't need to say "I am not God".
Once you know who is the Only and True God, you don't need disclaimers from anyone!
Even more if the person who is telling you who is the Only and True God is Jesus Himself ! (John 17:1-3 and John 20:17)

"God The Son", in contrast, is a Trinitarian designation. A designation that is absent in the Bible.

You hold an exceedingly diminished Christological view of Jesus, and I have no intention of expending my time proving to you that He was indeed God incarnate, Pancho.

J.

 

[Fred]

Being the possession of Christ means worshiping

Christ.

 

[Fred]

Next time you pray to Christ, a valid recipient of your prayer

Which proves He is God for prayer is a component of latreuō (Luke 2:37).

And who did Jesus say latreuō is alone due unto in Matthew 4:10?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Which proves He is God for prayer is a component of latreuō (Luke 2:37).

And who did Jesus say latreuō is alone due unto in Matthew 4:10?

Are you aware, Fred, that when you pray to Jesus, He will be presenting your case to God?

God does not need to negotiate or persuade another being to do something. A Mediator cannot be God.
God does not need to ask another being to forgive the Roman soldiers at the cross. A Mediator cannot be God.

Being a proper recipient of prayer to turn it to God is not just a component, but an ESSENTIAL COMPONENT of being a Mediator.

"For there is one God
and one mediator between God and mankind,
the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5)

So, let's examine how Fred's prayers work by examining this verse:

1. There is one personal being Paul calls "God"
2. There is one personal being calls "the man Christ Jesus"
3. There is one personal being, a man, who I will call "Fred"
4. The man Christ Jesus mediates between Fred and God.
5. "Mediates", means that the Mediator takes Fred's case, thoughts, wishes, fears, hopes, needs, prayers, to God.

CONCLUSION: Every time you accept Christ to take your prayer to God and mediate between you and God, you accept that Christ is not God.

 

[Selah]

Why do you say that, Johann?
God The Father is not a Trinitarian designation.
I say "God The Father". Does that make me Trinitarian?

If The Father is the Only and True God, then The Father is the Only and True God. Period!

Christ didn't need to say "I am not God" for the same reason Moses, or Isaiah, or Paul, or Barnabas, didn't need to say "I am not God".
Once you know who is the Only and True God, you don't need disclaimers from anyone!
Even more if the person who is telling you who is the Only and True God is Jesus Himself ! (John 17:1-3 and John 20:17)

"God The Son", in contrast, is a Trinitarian designation. A designation that is absent in the Bible.

Hola, Pancho… Jesus, 'God in the flesh' ‘God with us’) sacrificed His life on the cross and rose from the dead, defeating death, promising believers eternal life in a new celestial body upon His return. Consider this: Right now, Jesus is God in His Spiritual celestial body. See?

 

[Dizerner]

God is not logically bound to do things he "needs" to, that's a logical error (in fact, God has no needs at all).

Look where it leads: God did not need to create, therefore by definition, he cannot create.

 

[Selah]

God is not logically bound to do things he "needs" to, that's a logical error (in fact, God has no needs at all).

Look where it leads: God did not need to create, therefore by definition, he cannot create.

The LORD God is the Creator of the entire universe, “the Creator of the ends of the earth.”

Isaiah 40:9-28(KJV) 9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift [it] up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! 10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong [hand], and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward [is] with him, and his work before him. 11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry [them] in his bosom, [and] shall gently lead those that are with young. 12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance? 13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or [being] his counsellor hath taught him? 14 With whom took he counsel, and [who] instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? 15 Behold, the nations [are] as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing. 16 And Lebanon [is] not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering. 17 All nations before him [are] as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. 18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. 20 He that [is] so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree [that] will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, [that] shall not be moved. 21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? 22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: 23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. 24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble. 25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. 26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these [things], that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that [he is] strong in power; not one faileth. 27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God? 28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, [that] the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? [there is] no searching of his understanding.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

God is not logically bound to do things he "needs" to, that's a logical error (in fact, God has no needs at all).

Thanks for your remark.
When I say "needs" I refer to what is inherent to the concept of God.
God cannot mean anything. God means something.
And so with all concepts. For example, the concept of "circle" needs (requires) a distance that is the same between its center and any point in its circumference. Otherwise it is not a circle

Remember that God reveals to man. This mean that He connects with our minds through language and logic.

Suppose I start claiming to be God.... and you start challenging my claim

--Dizerner: "You can't be God because you need food, medicines and sleep. God does not need that"
--Pancho: "In fact I don't need food, medicines or sleep.... But I eat, take my pills and sleep because I, as God, have decided to do it. I am not bound by my needs, because I don't need anything. I just do what I want, and you are not wise enough to understand my ways"

--Dizerner: "You can't be God because you have a sexual drive, since you need to reproduce and leave your genes for next generation. In contrast, God does not need that"
--Pancho: "In fact, I don't need sex nor reproduction. But I, as God, have decided to have sex and to beget children. I am not bound by my needs, because I don't need anything. I just do what I want, and you are not wise enough to understand my ways"

And so on... you get the idea.
I could claim to be God and respond to any of your challenges by stating that I don't really need anything, but I have decided to do it all the same, and that the reason to do it is beyond your limited mind.

So, the revealed God needs to mean something. Not just anything.

It is intrinsic to the concept God not to get orders from anyone else. It is intrinsic to the concept of God not to obey anyone else. It is intrinsic to the concept of God not to seek the approval of a higher authority.

Of course, this is all under the concept of God of Jewish monotheistic mindset.
For a Greek polytheist mindset, Hermes can negotiate with Zeus and seek approval from Zeus, and still be god.

 

[TomL]

I see your point, my friend.
In his speech to bring unity between Greeks and Jews, Paul is making a parallelism with the passage of Prophet Joel.

In the Book of Joel, Adonai refers to the God of Israel... the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Whatever the previous situation of the people of Israel, if they turned to Adonai wholeheartedly, they would be saved.

In the Epistle to Romans, Kurios refers to Jesus. Whatever the previous situation of the believer, whether from Jewish or Gentile descent, if they accepted the lordship of Jesus, they would be saved.

Obviously, to turn to Jesus means to turn to God. To oppose Jesus means to oppose God. To accept the lordship of Jesus meant to accept His Father as God.

Paul was not teaching that the God of Israel was Jesus.

1. First, because Paul was a Jewish monotheist, a Pharisee, and Jesus had never called Jews to abandon their monotheism. All the contrary, Jesus has validated Jewish monotheism as true, as we have seen in the exchange between the scribe and Jesus in Mark 12.
2. Second, because that would have contradicted more than a hundred of Paul's own statements. If Jesus was the God of his ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, there would be no point in Paul insisting in separating the two things over and over. Peter's speech in Acts 3 would have been wrong. Furthermore, the first chapter of the Epistle of Hebrews would be wrong, because it says that the same God that had sent prophets in the past to Israel had sent Jesus now.

I understand that you believe that Jesus is YHWH, but such belief would create thousands of unsolvable inconsistencies across Scriptures.

Here are few of them: Who was The Father in the Old Testament? Was Jesus introducing a new god to Hebrews? Did Hebrews understand Jesus was talking about a different god everytime He mentioned the Father? Which God the apostles worshiped, and why Jesus says that His God was the very same God that his disciples worshiped? When Jesus told the Samaritan woman that the Father was seeking for true worshippers, who would worship Him in spirit and truth, did He refer to YHWH or to another god?
Did the apostles and Paul thought that the Father was not the God of Israel? If so, who they thought The Father was?

You ignored mark

As Mark references the Hebrew Shema

Deuteronomy 6:4 (UASV) — 4 “Hear, O Israel! Jehovah our God is one Jehovah!

in Greek rendering it

Mark 12:29 (UASV) — 29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord;

Where Lord obviously replaces Jehovah

And as I had stated

and you ignore the fact that salvation is by calling on Jehovah

Romans 10:9–13 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Here Jesus is the lord or Jehovah

and if you read the Old Testament you will find the Messenger (angelos or malak) of the presence Jehovah has his name in him.

Exodus 23:20–21 (LEB) — 20 “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. 21 Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him.

Is called the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Exodus 3:2–6 (LEB) — 2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed. 3 And Moses said, “Let me turn aside and see this great sight. Why does the bush not burn up?” 4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, “Moses, Moses.” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 And he said, “You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground.” 6 And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God.


And the word of Jehovah is himself referred to as Jehovah and God as i have shown in multiple places

Genesis 15:1–8 (UASV) — 1 After these things the word of Jehovah came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you; Your reward shall be very great.” 2 But Abram said, “Sovereign Lord Jehovah, what will you give me, for I continue childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 And Abram said, “Look, you have given me no offspring, and one born in my house is my heir.” 4 Then look, the word of Jehovah came to him, saying, “This man will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own inward parts, he shall be your heir.” 5 And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward the heavens, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” 6 And he believed in Jehovah, and he credited it to him as righteousness. 7 And he said unto him, “I am Jehovah who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give you this land to inherit it.” 8 And he said, Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “how am I to know that I shall inherit it?”

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

You ignored mark

I have not ignored Mark. I already commented on it.
Have you ignored Mark?

I explained that the passage in Mark proves that Jesus and the scribes of his time AGREED on the concept of God.
So, if you want to know who Jesus thinks is God, go to the synagogue which is closest to your neighborhood, and ask the rabbi.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

and if you read the Old Testament you will find the Messenger (angelos or malak) of the presence Jehovah has his name in him.

Exodus 23:20–21 (LEB) — 20 “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. 21 Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him.

Is called the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Exodus 3:2–6 (LEB) — 2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed. 3 And Moses said, “Let me turn aside and see this great sight. Why does the bush not burn up?” 4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, “Moses, Moses.” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 And he said, “You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground.” 6 And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God.

I may not be getting your point, TomL.
Do you believe that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or the servant of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?