A request

The REV project has now gone on for over twenty years, and many different people have been involved over the years. Translation work is continuing steadily in both the Old and New Testaments, and the commentary is constantly expanding. In addition to translating from the Hebrew and Greek critical texts, translators use Hebrew and Greek grammars and lexicons, other English translations, commentaries, journal articles, and historical and geographical studies to improve the translation.

If they keep translating someday they might have satan sitting at God's right hand.
Trinitarians have been translating the Bible for centuries and can't make up their mind about what it says. There have been revisions, edits, new versions, differing translation styles, as time as gone on. Trinitarians and their sponsors have produced over 100 different Bibles in English alone because they can't seem to agree on anything in the same way.

Translating the Bible can be a lengthy process. I recommend you all keep looking at it. Maybe eventually you all will figure out how to translate the Bible in such a way that honors the Scriptures and who God is.
 
I highlighted where you went wrong.
John 1:1c says "the Word was God", not that the Word is not actually God.

"Sharing God's divine nature" means that the Word is omnipresent, omnipotent, etc... You do believe that God is naturally omnipresent and omnipotent, right? That's proof that the Word is God.

The originals would have to say the following for the highlighted portion of your verse to be true: αυτό που ήταν ο Θεός, ήταν ο λόγος.

I'll stick with the Koine Greek of John 1:1c which says: θεος ην ο λογος which brings me right back to what I posted in Post 191.
God is a person, not a nature or essence. A nature is something God has, not something God is, and possessing the nature of God does not make someone God. You're adding phlosophy to your words to de-person God, convert Him into an essence, so that God can be distributed among persons. You're doing this because you desperately want God to be a compound being, rather than a singular person as Scripture exhaustively states. You are not smooth enough to pull that one off with me.
 
Trinitarians have been translating the Bible for centuries and can't make up their mind about what it says. There have been revisions, edits, new versions, differing translation styles, as time as gone on. Trinitarians and their sponsors have produced over 100 different Bibles in English alone because they can't seem to agree on anything in the same way.

Translating the Bible can be a lengthy process. I recommend you all keep looking at it. Maybe eventually you all will figure out how to translate the Bible in such a way that honors the Scriptures and who God is.

Unitarians have been translating the Bible for centuries and can't make up their mind about what to say.

You do realize that Judaism is a Unitarian religion.... right?
 
God is a person, not a nature or essence. A nature is something God has, not something God is, and possessing the nature of God does not make someone God. You're adding phlosophy to your words to de-person God, convert Him into an essence, so that God can be distributed among persons. You're doing this because you desperately want God to be a compound being, rather than a singular person as Scripture exhaustively states. You are not smooth enough to pull that one off with me.

You don't believe that garbage. It is just an fake argument without any sincerity.

You're living in the grey areas between words. I can believe you're not sincere given what you say. You're wholly inconsistent in speech.

God.... would you say the same things about Him?

We are only as good as what "WE HAVE". You are "WHAT YOU HAVE".
 
I believe she never did... If Adam said to Eve that God said do not eat the fruit, it would be natural for he to say God said not to eat it. I fault him for not protecting her.

Don't forget, I was replying to what you said;

"First... she did not reject the Word, she rejected what her husband told her.

The Scriptural truth is, "She rejected God's Word". But that would mean your statement was an error. This represents what Adam and Eve's story is about. They messed up. They knew it, just like you know Eve rejected God's Word. But there is a part of you that lusts to justify yourself, to preserve your judgments. Jesus speaks to this in John 3:19-21. This exists in every free will human. It is our flesh we are born with, just as it was a flesh Adam and Eve were born with. I struggle with the same thing every day.

The truth is, Eve chose of her own free will to reject God's Word, and live by the imaginations of her own heart instead. And the free will ability to choose to obey, or choose to disobey isn't "Evil", it's Holy and Good. The whole point of our existence is to "Learn" to choose the good and reject the evil. To choose God over the free will lusts of our own flesh. This is what we do when we walk in the flesh

Is. 14: 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Just like Eve did.

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

I am guilty of this just the other day. You said something that offended me a little about debating the "always right" Calvinist. My flesh was a little butthurt, and wanted retaliation, justification. So I posted part of a sentence you gave me in a Private Message, and used it for a malicious purpose. I know the Word of God, I know the importance of humility and the reasons for a private message. But I rejected it all in my mind, and let my flesh reign in my body and for what? What was gained, how was God Glorified? And what spirit promoted such a behavior? So now, I am so sorry, and angry at myself, because I shouldn't have done that, and I knew better. But I did and nothing I can ever do will change it.

Like Eve I threw God's Judgment away, and replaced it with my own, and for what? To FEED my own Flesh. And I can say, "I behaved in this manner "because" you did this. Or "because" you said that, just like Adam and Eve did. But what is the truth? I knew better, and I did it anyway. And you had nothing really to do with it, because as Jesus says, "Nothing from without can defile a person, only what is within.

This is the lesson from God to us through the Adam and Eve story. This is why God blamed Eve for Eve's Sin, and Adam for Adam's Sin. Because they chose to do, what they both knew God instructed not to do. And then tried to justify themselves for doing it.

And this is written specifically for me, so that I might learn not to lust after what they lusted after. But I took the Armor of God off, and directed my own footsteps.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity "that is in Christ".
 
What differentiates the REV translation project from the dozens of other translation projects? What is their "angle"?
Probably the very same as every participant in every forum I have been on.

Everyone things they are right. that they have the understanding. And they have the knowledge to get the words translaated... in the case of a forum the knowlege to prove the others belief is wrong.
Trinitarians have been translating the Bible for centuries and can't make up their mind about what it says. There have been revisions, edits, new versions, differing translation styles, as time as gone on. Trinitarians and their sponsors have produced over 100 different Bibles in English alone because they can't seem to agree on anything in the same way.

Translating the Bible can be a lengthy process. I recommend you all keep looking at it. Maybe eventually you all will figure out how to translate the Bible in such a way that honors the Scriptures and who God is.
I have the Holy Spirit who tells me and corrects me as necessary
 
Probably the very same as every participant in every forum I have been on.

Everyone things they are right. that they have the understanding. And they have the knowledge to get the words translaated... in the case of a forum the knowlege to prove the others belief is wrong.
Which is also what you are doing. Yes?
I have the Holy Spirit who tells me and corrects me as necessary
You all make the same claim of having the Holy Spirit guiding you into truth, yet all can't agree on the same things. What makes you different?
 
Maybe @Fred @synergy @praise_yeshua @Titus would be interested. Or another Trinitarian in this thread.


I will do it if my Unitarian opponent agrees to do this first:


 
By the way you are proud of your marriage I know you would not let your wife in harms danger for Adam obviously saw her
to be able for her to say eat this and he did.

As to her... She might have been thrilled to hear another voice. Even aa snake that could converse.

The greatest danger we face is spiritual wickedness in high places (our minds). My bride must fight her own battles to test her faith. She won't be able to say, "I rejected your Word because of the man you placed over men".


You are working awful hard to preserve your judgments against Adam. It seems we would have been better off just "Yielding yourselves" to God's Judgments in matters of this world.

But that is a choice we all must make. I can't blame Adam for my free will choices.

No... you are right in that she did ignore the words of God. But they were from the Word and not from Christ because that was not yet.... But in your comments to Red it did not sound at all like you were saying this.

Col. 1: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I don't know who taught you that the Christ didn't exist in the beginning. I don't believe the bible teaches such things.


I cannot prove but I bet the snake took a bite and she saw it was still living so she ate... and then when Adam saw her still alive
she enticed him.... But no... I cant prove this at all... Just surmising in a story that is kind of incomplete.

Happy anniversary. Will see you tomorrow. See... I wont see you but is an accepted thing to say. I will read you tomorrow

Not our anniversary, just date night for my bride and I.
 
I will do it if my Unitarian opponent agrees to do this first:



I didn't see that post but you're certainly right about the use of "kuros". I've meet few Unitarians that will actually discuss it.
 
I think the @Administrator is right that to many will continue to take the debate in to many directions. I'm trying to focus on one or two questions at a time. More people will just introduce more saying well, what about this and what about that.

You can agree to move on or not. That is way I've always handled formal debates. Concede, agree to disagree, move on.

However, in any complex conversation such as this, there is no practical way to just deal with "one or two" questions at a time.
 
  1. God is a person, not a nature or essence. A nature is something God has, not something God is, and possessing the nature of God does not make someone God. You're adding phlosophy to your words to de-person God, convert Him into an essence, so that God can be distributed among persons. You're doing this because you desperately want God to be a compound being, rather than a singular person as Scripture exhaustively states.
Scripture states that the Father is God (I'm sure you agree) but also "the Word was God" (here is your problem). So, how do you resolve the fact that multiple Persons are God without going into a tirade against what John wrote?
You are not smooth enough to pull that one off with me.
Let's see how you can possibly smooth over all of your flat-out Bible and logic contradictions:
  1. You said that "the Word is not actually God" which flat out contradicts John 1:1c that says "the Word was God".
  2. You refuse to believe that the Word shares God's nature (omnipresence, omnipotence) even though you agree with the Word "sharing God's divine nature".
  3. The REV translates from God only knows which originals when they dreamt up the phrase "what God was the word was".
 
Trinitarians have been translating the Bible for centuries and can't make up their mind about what it says. There have been revisions, edits, new versions, differing translation styles, as time as gone on. Trinitarians and their sponsors have produced over 100 different Bibles in English alone because they can't seem to agree on anything in the same way.

Translating the Bible can be a lengthy process. I recommend you all keep looking at it. Maybe eventually you all will figure out how to translate the Bible in such a way that honors the Scriptures and who God is.
This is so ironic. Here is someone who knows no Koine Greek scolding us who several of us do know Koine Greek. This would be so laughable if it wasn't so tragic for so many unitarians.
 
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