In my understanding it was the Christ, (The Scepter of God's Kingdom Ps. 45) through whom God created all things, including the talking snake and Adam and Eve. Isn't that the very foundation of this debate, that "This God" became the prophesied Messiah?
Here is Red Bakers religion concerning this Christ, who became a man in the person of Jesus.
"After God created everything including angels, he left them to their own selves without securing their state in which he created them in, with an exception of the elect angels, them he secured their first estate in which he created them for. Many of the angels left their first estate, and the devil the prince among them, caused Adam and Eve to disobey God, through his subtilty, deceiving Eve first, and she her husband." (#169 Satan and his lies)
As you can see, Calvinism at it's very core, blames the Holy One of Israel, the God of Abraham, for the sins of mankind and even of the devil. Did the Christ place an "Elect Angel" in the garden?
In another place, he said the Christ/God sent Eve into the presence of this Evil that would deceive the whole world, "with no assistance at all".
I mean no offence here, but can't you see the pattern? Red's "judgment" blames God for not helping Eve and satan turn away from Him. Your "Judgment" blames Adam, who God placed over Eve. Eve's "Judgment" blamed a voice that God placed in the garden. Adam's "Judgment" blamed the Woman God gave her.
So when the lipstick is removed, you are all blaming God for the fall of man. But that isn't God's Judgment is it. You can read it for yourself, God's Judgment and yours are two completely different judgments. So then what really happened in the Garden? Wasn't it that Eve rejected God's Judgment, and replaced it with her own, concerning the world God placed her in?
Isn't that the lesson the Christ wants us to learn thro0ugh this story?
Secondly, I don't know if you were ever a parent or not, I'll assume that you were. Please just consider that if you told your son not to steal, even opening the Bible and showing him God's Own Words. And then you sent him off to school, and he was enticed by a voice to steal anyway, would you accept your own judgment and excuses from him?
"But Mom, it's
your Job to take care of me", you left me alone with only your words. God "Made you"
to take care of me, it's not my fault that I stole of my own free will,
it's your fault that I stole, you should have been there to stop me."
We both know that wouldn't fly don't we? My guess is that you would take that boy and whatever he stole back to school and make him give back what he stole, and apologize to who he stole it from, and then you would probably ground your son for a month, in hopes that the chastisement would instill in him the importance of listening to and obeying his Mom, for his own well being.
I really want you to understand what I believe, so you can address it honestly. Just hearing or "having" the Word of God protects no one. Hitler "had" the Words of God. The devil "Has" the Word of God. The Pharisees "had" the Word of God. In the example I used of a son, he "had" the Words of God. But as you can surely see, it is being a "Doer" of the Words of his Mom, that would have protected her son from stealing. Had the son simply believed his Mom, or had Eve simply Believed God's Word, and became a "doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only, she wouldn't have taken of the tree.
We are told to "Put On" the Armor of God as protection from the enemies in our mind. Just "Having" the armor doesn't help anyone.
We know by virtue of the very Law God gave Adam and Eve, that they had free will. There is no Law needed for a robot. It simply does what it is programed to do. Adam and Eve, like the God who made them, had free will. But free will must have limitations. Even God places limitation on His Own Free will. He is a Just God. No one makes Him Just, HE simply understands that an unjust "GOD" will end up destroying His Kingdom, so HE places limitations, boundaries, etc., for the Good of His Kingdom. God placed limitations, boundaries on Adam and Eve as well, because HE Loved them and wanted the best for them. Just as you would place boundaries and limitations of your children, and for the same reasons.
As soon as HE said, "Thou shall not", HE created a choice for them. Just as HE gives all men of all times.
Duet. 30:
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that "I have set before you" life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore "choose life", that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: "for he is thy life", and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
And I understand this world's popular religious philosophies, promoted by this world's religious system. I have simply learned to choose God's Judgments over theirs.
