praise_yeshua
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Including the "kings and queens" of the Anglican Empire....
I've tried to know the origins of the Scriptures deeper than the various translations throughout my life. It is why I believe in the Priesthood of all Believers.
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I've tried to know the origins of the Scriptures deeper than the various translations throughout my life. It is why I believe in the Priesthood of all Believers.
praise_yeshua
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In many ways, it is the better choice. If you read Hebrews 13 in the Geneva Bible, you will see one of the biggest issue I find with the KJV. I was once a KJV Onlyist in my late teens.
for the 101th time, here you go again.
Red Baker, for like to 100th time, I understand that the Holy One of Israel, "The Rock", "The Light of this world", who His Father Sent to Create all that is created, to show men in the way that they should go, is the "Word of God" that Eve rejected, and the world rejected, but Noah and Abraham didn't. This "Word of God" was sent by His God to become a mortal human, Flesh and Blood man, that the English bibles call "Jesus". That this Christ, offering Himself a Living Sacrifice to His God for the redemption of men who would deny themselves, pick up their "corruptible", ( not corrupt) flesh, that Adam and Eve and all men are created with, and follow Him, like Noah and Abraham did, in spite of all the "other voices" in the world God placed them in, to test their faith.
What I am exposing about you, is the evil and wicked Judgments about this Christ you have adopted from this world's religions, both before HE became a man, when HE created all that was created, and after, "Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared".
The Christ you promote, a Christ that sent Eve into the world with, as you and Civic preach, the deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked talking snake, with no warning, and no "Assistance at all" from this Christ, to engage this monster. A monster "from without", your very words.
And then when the serpent defiled Eve, God punished her, and not only her, but her children as well, and not only her children, but mine all well. All punished by this same Christ, by creating humans, according to this world's religious voices "who come in Christ's Name", with a "sin nature" that Adam and Eve wasn't created with.
This image of God you promote doesn't exist in Scriptures. This image of God you have created, isn't the God of Abraham. Didn't become a mortal flesh and blood human, wasn't raised from the dead, and isn't at the Right hand of His Father advocating between me and His God and my God to this very day. The Christ you promote is "another Jesus", not the Christ as defined in the Holy Scriptures HE inspired.
You want to "debate" me about the deity of Christ Jesus. But with you and the religious philosophies of this world you are promoting, it begins with the first lie you have adopted, the first deception. The Christ "of the Bible" didn't do to Eve what your adopted religion preaches. Your christ may behave in this manner, your christ may create laws impossible for a man to obey, then slaughter men when they don't obey. Your christ may place requirements of Faith on the backs of men, a faith HE Himself refused to live by when HE became a man.
Your christ is not the Christ "of the Bible", the Scepter of God's Kingdom.
Ps. 45: 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre "of thy kingdom" is a right sceptre.
7 Thou ( sceptre of thy kingdom) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (Because of this Choice that the Scepter made) God, thy ( sceptre's)God, hath anointed thee ( sceptre of God's kingdom) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (other men of Faith)
This world glorifies your image of God, partakes and makes billions and billions of dollars promoting the high days of your god. Lives by the Judgments and Statutes of your god. While the Feasts of the Christ "of the Bible" are mocked and rejected. The Judgments of the Christ "of the Bible" are rejected and despised and the Laws HE gave as the only "Law Giver" considered beneath you, and those who would "Yield themselves" and their bodies as instruments of righteousness unto the Christ "of the Bible" are mocked, and called names and marginalized. This reality has existed since Cain and Abel.
Yes Red, the majority is clearly with you and this world's religions, as it has always been.
I'm sticking to the narrow Path the Jesus "of the Bible" walked and promoted. A Path not popular in this world. And I invite you to humble yourself and consider doing the same. But you would have to deny yourself.
Peterlag
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@Runningman Another one joined the debate. Now there's two of them against me.
Peterlag
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This is how they talk to me which is why I sometimes give it back to them and say they are brain dead...
Pete, I am going to ask this in private. I am not attacking you, nor am I calling you names. I am really curious.
Are you just playing at being stupid?
Or are you asking this question facetiously?
From many of your posts, you appear to be a well educated, intelligent man. But some of your comments and posts make you look like the most stupid, hard headed, ignorant person ever born.
There is ONLY ONE GOD.
God the Father is the same God as Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God. They are all the same. No, all "fathers" are not God, any more than all temples are THE TEMPLE (in Heaven). Even the Temple in Jerusalem was only modeled after the Temple in Heaven, and was not the REAL TEMPLE.
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Pete, I am going to ask this in private. I am not attacking you, nor am I calling you names. I am really curious.
Are you just playing at being stupid?
Or are you asking this question facetiously?
From many of your posts, you appear to be a well educated, intelligent man. But some of your comments and posts make you look like the most stupid, hard headed, ignorant person ever born.
There is ONLY ONE GOD.
God the Father is the same God as Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God. They are all the same. No, all "fathers" are not God, any more than all temples are THE TEMPLE (in Heaven). Even the Temple in Jerusalem was only modeled after the Temple in Heaven, and was not the REAL TEMPLE.
@Administrator @Runningman
praise_yeshua
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Well... others will have to judge what they think about sharing private messages. I've seen worse but.....
Do you call a mass of confusion= hundreds of trinity based religions a good seed? Is God confused? They fail this true mark ( 1 Cor 1:10)= no division, unity of thought) 100%, while the ones you condemn pass it 100%.
I know 100% no human ever entered heaven prior to Jesus, not Elijah, nor Enoch.
praise_yeshua
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I suppose you're keeping the gate?
praise_yeshua
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Right there along the millions of unitarian based religions?
There may be 3 or 4 unitarian based religions not millions.
praise_yeshua
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Nonsense. The "god" always varies.... It has endless throughout all of human history. People even turn "Jehovah" into a fake representation of God with what they believe about Him.
This is why Paul spoke of "casting down imagination and everything that exalts itself above the knowledge of God..... bring into captive every thought to the obedience of Christ"......
Your goal should be to refine what you believe about God narrowly to the point there can be no other....
FreeInChrist
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You know I am not 100% in line with Red, but he does say it so it is understandable to the average reader.
I have no idea what you are reading and zero idea of how you come to your conclusions.
When were were DMing I backed away mostly because you seemed, at that time to have an obsession with Adam and Eve.
You claim to believe " is the "Word of God" that Eve rejected,"
First... she did not reject the Word, she rejected what her husband told her. There is not one sentence in Genesis 2 that claims
she talked to God or He instructed her. What she knew came only from Adam and therefore when she bit into that fruit
that the snake seduced her into trying, she was exstatic enough to con Adam into eating it also.
Again,
There is no recorded verbal interaction between God and Eve in the book of Genesis pertaining to the dangers of the tree yet she was aware of God's word pertaining to the forbidden tree. In fact, God directly mentions the dangers of the tree to Adam right before creating Eve.
Now you accuse a vicious accuse
When you write things like "The Christ you promote, a Christ that sent Eve into the world with, as you and Civic preach, the deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked talking snake, with no warning, and no "Assistance at all" from this Christ, to engage this monster. A monster "from without", your very words.
.................with no warning, and no "Assistance at all" from this Christ, to engage this monster.Pay attention... in Genesis 1 ans 2 there was no Christ. "No anointed one" or "chosen one," "or messiah." Not in the sense we think of our savior....
Give me the thread so I can read this for myself, because God made Adam to take care of Eve.... he didn't. Period. I want to read what RB has said.
You feel that the Word was supposed to protect Eve? I dont. That entire idea interferes with not only free will but also predestination but I wont go into that as you have to have a more solid belief to understand
The Christ "of the Bible" didn't do to Eve what your adopted religion preaches. Your christ may behave in this manner, your christ may create laws impossible for a man to obey, then slaughter men when they don't obey. Your christ may place requirements of Faith on the backs of men, a faith HE Himself refused to live by when HE became a man.
Again, I want the link to this to read for myself.
Also... I also do not know if you believe Jesus is God? In the Trinity?
@Studyman
ONE MORE TIME...answer my direct question that you thus far have refused to answer, if you refuse to do so again, everyone here should know why you refuse to do so, and should avoid you and and all of your post, for they are under the curse of God, "if" you reject Jesus was God in human flesh. You have an antichrist spirit and part of the generation of serpents. I would be in the same boat with you , if I too deny Christ's deity. But, I believe with all of my heart that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh and the ONLY God man or angels will ever see.
Now, a question for you...why did you not give me a simple yes or not to my question that I asked you to do? I know why, and trust others do also know why.
ONE MORE TIME...answer my direct question that you thus far have refused to answer, if you refuse to do so again, everyone here should know why you refuse to do so, and should avoid you and and all of your post, for they are under the curse of God, "if" you reject Jesus was God in human flesh. You have an antichrist spirit and part of the generation of serpents. I would be in the same boat with you , if I too deny Christ's deity. But, I believe with all of my heart that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh and the ONLY God man or angels will ever see.
Now, a question for you...why did you not give me a simple yes or not to my question that I asked you to do? I know why, and trust others do also know why.
@Studyman
I would darn say, few are with me, even though on Christ's deity, yes many are, for it is a cardinal truth that "cannot" be denied and still be a Christian.
Peterlag
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This one was private. The other 3 hundred like this are not private.
That may be what you are taught. But according to what is actually written, she said "God Said" not to eat.
What difference does it make if God comes down from heaven, In all His Glory, and tells you not to do something, or if He chooses Adam to give you His Words, or if He chooses Moses to give you His Words, or chooses Jesus to give you His Words, or chooses your own Mother to give you His Words?
If you know they are Gods Words, which Eve clearly did, and you reject them, how is that not rejecting Gods Words?
Am if I am looking at your statement wrong, please show me.
I am thankful for your reply, and would love to hear your answer to my question, and discuss the rest of your thoughtful reply, but I have to go for now. My Bride of 43 years and I are going out for supper, and I must go for now.
I look forward to addressing the rest of your reply.
@Studyman
You are behind me almost sixteen years! But good for you you two are still together after 43 years. I would love to hit 70 years together. But that's up to the Lord. I have been sick much of the year, so we shall see. We have a daughter that just turned 57 in July! My youngest is going on 49. Mr. Jim is older than me, maybe by seven or eight years.
FreeInChrist
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I believe she never did... If Adam said to Eve that God said do not eat the fruit, it would be natural for he to say God said not to eat it. I fault him for not protecting her.
By the way you are proud of your marriage I know you would not let your wife in harms danger for Adam obviously saw her
to be able for her to say eat this and he did.
As to her... She might have been thrilled to hear another voice. Even aa snake that could converse.
No... you are right in that she did ignore the words of God. But they were from the Word and not from Christ because that was not yet.... But in your comments to Red it did not sound at all like you were saying this.
I cannot prove but I bet the snake took a bite and she saw it was still living so she ate... and then when Adam saw her still alive
she enticed him.... But no... I cant prove this at all... Just surmising in a story that is kind of incomplete.
Happy anniversary. Will see you tomorrow. See... I wont see you but is an accepted thing to say. I will read you tomorrow
praise_yeshua
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Adam probably wasn't there with Eve at the time. Adam wasn't "supernatural". If there is any blame to be placed, why not ask the question "why was the serpent even there to begin with?".....
It is a difficult question for most people to consider, but I'll add to it a little more....
Is the "Serpent" going to be where you're going when you get to "paradise"?
This planet has never been the final destination of the seed of Adam and Eve. Adam ate of the fruit because he took responsibility for Eve. He didn't want to leave her alone. The idea that Adam was to blame is preposterous. Eve was in the transgression....
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Adam chose Eve. He wasn't deceived. He knew what was going to happen to them. His argument was true.....
Gen 3:12 And God said to him, Who told thee that thou wast naked, unless thou hast eaten of the tree concerning which I charged thee of it alone not to eat?
Gen 3:13 And Adam said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me—she gave me of the tree and I ate.
God already knew what happened. Adam was right. He used the argument that need to be made to God. It was NOT an excuse. It was valid reason for his own actions.
God gave Eve to Adam.
Paul parallels this narrative in the bride of Christ.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
The "Bride" Christ gave of Himself for......
Oh what manner of God has bestowed upon that we might be called the "sons of God". The twain becoming one flesh.
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