FreeInChrist
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Question.
With an open thread is there any p[possible way to keep the topic the only discussion?
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With an open thread is there any p[possible way to keep the topic the only discussion?
I think it could get confusing if these three are together. Here's one example:
Peterlag believes it is ok to pray to Jesus.
Keiw1 believes it is not at all ok to pray to Jesus.
Runningman believes there is no Bible passage that teaches it is ok to pray to Jesus, but he also believes it is ok to talk to Jesus.
What a mess trying to deal with all three if this topic came up when they can't even agree with one another.
Perhaps one day a debate should be set up concerning this topic with all three of them.
heh. heh.
Peterlag believes it is ok to pray to Jesus.
Keiw1 believes it is not at all ok to pray to Jesus.
Runningman believes there is no Bible passage that teaches it is ok to pray to Jesus, but he also believes it is ok to talk to Jesus.
What a mess trying to deal with all three if this topic came up when they can't even agree with one another.
Perhaps one day a debate should be set up concerning this topic with all three of them.
heh. heh.
Just post a reminder to stay on topic. Or let the staff know and let them handle it.
FreeInChrist
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The belief or not of the Deity of the Messiah is the only issue that was proposed.
Defending your beliefs on this one idea.......
Not one of the three believe in the Deity of the Messiah..... Hence their confusions on prayer.... which was not the intent.
Anyway, It is up to @Red Baker and Admin.
@Fred
What a mess, I agree with you. So, Keiw 1 is a JW; about Peter, is he of the Islamic faith? Runningman, what is he? Maybe they will speak for themselves.
I am not ashamed to confess that I would fall in line with the Particular Baptist of 1646 era,, more along the line of men Like Samuel Richardson, etc.
Fred you are more than welcome to join if the moderator is okay with it. I certainly do not mind taking them on myself. I feel as though I'm in the majority with the truth on my side.
Greetings Fred,
What a mess, I agree with you. So, Keiw 1 is a JW; about Peter, is he of the Islamic faith? Runningman, what is he? Maybe they will speak for themselves.
I am not ashamed to confess that I would fall in line with the Particular Baptist of 1646 era,, more along the line of men Like Samuel Richardson, etc.
Fred you are more than welcome to join if the moderator is okay with it. I certainly do not mind taking them on myself. I feel as though I'm in the majority with the truth on my side.
or this format
The one-on-one debate format involves a direct confrontation between two debaters who represent opposing sides of an issue. This style allows for a dynamic exchange of arguments and rebuttals, with each participant presenting their case and responding to the other’s points in real time. It is designed to highlight the skills of individual debaters in articulating their thoughts and defending their positions against direct opposition.
Let's have a debate on having a debate.
Hi Red,
I don't think Peter is a Muslim, for they do not believe it is ok to pray to Jesus.
Keiw1 is a JW, yes.
I am not sure about Runningman. He did speak well of "The Way".
Thanks for the offer, but I will let you handle it and I am confident you will do well.
If I were to debate a Unitarian, it would have to be 1 on 1 so they couldn't hide behind one another - they are good at hiding.
Furthermore, before the debate they would have to specify what passages refer to the Father and which ones refer to Jesus.
https://berean-apologetics.communit...ho-deny-jesus-is-almighty-god.618/#post-15713
Even though this was posted almost two years ago, not one of them has stepped up.
I pretty much know what Keiw1 believes because it is what the JW's tell him to believe.
civic
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not in a small debate format. we have lots of threads on the deity of Christ and the Trinity many of which I started when we launched this forum.
its my favorite topic which is why I have numerous threads I started in the Christology and Trinity section on this forum. I've debated all of them on the topic just not in a formal setting. I have been defending this topic against non trinitarians for over 40 years. I don't need to get involved and we have some well equipped trinitarians on our forum.
I'm sure you have seen me challenge many of them that do not affirm the Eternal Sonship of Christ which is 100% orthodoxy and historical Christianity regarding the identity of the Son in the Trinity.
For example 50/109 threads in the Christology section are the ones I started.
civic
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From what I see in this thread I would recommend @Red Baker and @Peterlag start with a one on one. Then @Runningman could follow with @Red Baker when the first debate has ran its course and is over. Just my 2 cents fwiw.
we could use this thread as a comment section for all the members who are interested.
we could use this thread as a comment section for all the members who are interested.
civic
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If it were me I would personally attack them at their favorite verse and use the context to disprove their argument with John 17:3. I would debate John 17:1-5 and then tie in other passages supporting the Trinitarian view that syncs perfectly with John 17:1-5.
Take away John 17:3 from the unitarians doctrine and they have no legs left to stand upon. Its their one trick pony verse ripped from the context to try and prove the Father alone is God. But the context disproves their own position.
Take away John 17:3 from the unitarians doctrine and they have no legs left to stand upon. Its their one trick pony verse ripped from the context to try and prove the Father alone is God. But the context disproves their own position.
FreeInChrist
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Let's have a debate on having a debate.
How many participants?
Ill collect and count votes here?
FreeInChrist
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IMO....This is good because already there are those that want in, and others who just want to view.
So long as no sidetracking, for any reason.
Incredible that has to be even mentioned knowing their tactics.
So yes, this is definitely a great one.
What if we post pone this thing until Monday giving Red time to decide how many people on his side and invite them?
I think you are not looking at this as the "Christ" intended. Coming in Christ's Name, or saying that Jesus "is" the Prophesied Messiah, the Christ, is what Paul did, and all of the Apostles that God gave to Jesus did. Even Zacharias, Simeon and Anna did. So it isn't a "deceit" to teach that Jesus is the Christ, the Holy One of Israel Prophesied to become a man. It's a warning about the philosophies and traditions of men who "Profess to know God", but reject His Laws and Judgments. It's men to "Transform themselves" into Apostles of Christ, but "savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men".
While I appreciate the offer, and truly the religious system of this world is "with you". Nevertheless, I believe the discussion should first be about the "God" you and the majority preach came to earth as a man. So I will not participate with you in this "debate" for the following reasons.
According to your past sermons Red Baker, "GOD" created Adam and Eve, and the most deceitful, desperately wicked creature ever to exist, a talking snake, who "God" knew would deceive the whole world and bring misery, death and destruction to us all.
But this "God" didn't warn Adam or Eve about this evil at all, but sent Eve out into the garden with nothing but the Word of God, which you say was, as your own words declare, "No Assistance at all". Then, when she is overcome by this perfect evil, this "God" punishes her severely. And not just her, but her children as well, which caused one of her sons to murder the other. But not just her children, but my children as well, every child ever born between her time and mine.
And according to your adopted religious philosophy, which is adopted by "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, this same "God" also created some form of a "Holy Lottery" system in which men who are all born "Totally Depraved" and with a Sin Nature because of Adam's and Eves sins, are Chosen to spend eternity with Him into Paradise, and which totally depraved sinners He chooses to raise from the dead, give immortality, then burn in a lake of fire in torture and agony for eternity.
You also promote the popular religious philosophy that this same "God", picked Abraham's name from this Lottery system, which chooses the "Elect" based on nothing they do of their own free will. And that this "God" made a promise to him and his children, to bring them into a special land. Then some 430 years later, when Abraham's children were enslaved by the Egyptians, and lost sight of "God" this "GOD" chose to save them from their slavery. So HE did many miracles and wonders to gain their trust, then when they trusted Him, and followed Him out of Egypt, this same "GOD" placed egregious Laws, you preach Paul called "Beggarly Elements" a "Yoke of Bondage" and you preach they these Laws are impossible for a man to obey. But that this "God" lied to them and told them they could obey Him, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they couldn't obey these impossible to obey Laws.
Then the popular religions of this world you represent preaches to everyone that this "GOD" became a man in the person of Jesus. But HE took away "from Himself", the Sin Nature and "Total Depravity" HE placed on all other humans. And HE also reserved for Himself "GOD" powers HE WITHHELD from all other Humans, and by this POWER HE was able to obey the Laws "HE" placed on the necks of men that were impossible for anyone but a "GOD" to obey.
And then when HE overcame sin and death by kicking in "GOD" powers "HE" Withheld from all other humans, HE glorified Himself, and gave Himself a Name above all other humans.
And now we all live in hope that this "GOD" drew our names in the Holy Lottery that took place before the foundation of the world, based on no free will choice that we ever made, to see if we hit the Lottery and are now predestined to live with Him in paradise forever.
I have followed the instructions from the "Jesus "of the Bible, and have separated myself (Come out of) this world's religious system in Faith that the Word of God which became Flesh "IS" sufficient to guide my footsteps and instruct me in God's Righteousness. When I study the Scriptures, I do not find the "God" you are promoting, even though He is promoted by "Many, who come in Christ's Name".
Perhaps we would be better served to follow the Christ "of the Bible's" instruction to "Seek First the Kingdom of God and "HIS Righteousness", and not seek the philosophies of the many different religious sects and businesses that make up this world's religious system that "say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you".
After all, Jesus and God are "One", Yes? Therefore, your judgments against "God" are against Jesus as well.
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@civic
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This is as close as blasphemy against the Holy Ghost as one can come to do. You, are speaking against the very testimony of the Holy Ghost.
The moderator need to make the first debate one on one between you and me
This forum is a very good forum, and a little too merciful to heretics, in my opinion, yet that's America, and that's the way life was carried out in the days of Christ it seems, but it is time to exposed those who have not the doctrine of Jesus Christ ~ the true knowledge of Jesus Christ far exceeds any knowledge that this vain world has to offer us.
One more pointy....A correct understanding of Jesus Christ is the very essence of a child of God's faith.
Amen! He's the king of these folks who mock the truth, yet has convinced himself that he's separate from sinners in following this world's religion.
@Studyman
This is as close as blasphemy against the Holy Ghost as one can come to do. You, are speaking against the very testimony of the Holy Ghost.
The moderator need to make the first debate one on one between you and me
This forum is a very good forum, and a little too merciful to heretics, in my opinion, yet that's America, and that's the way life was carried out in the days of Christ it seems, but it is time to exposed those who have not the doctrine of Jesus Christ ~ the true knowledge of Jesus Christ far exceeds any knowledge that this vain world has to offer us.
One more pointy....A correct understanding of Jesus Christ is the very essence of a child of God's faith.
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