7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation

[Victoria]

Nicely said!

All glory be to God Almighty

 

[DavidTree]

When have the scattered been regathered by God to the land God had promised Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob?
Ezekiel 11:14-20 has not been fulfilled yet, Red Baker.

1) The Jews are still scattered abroad among the Gentile nations.
2) The vast majority of modern day Israel is still in unbelief today (Romans 11:25), & only possess a fraction of the land God had promised Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.
3) Where is Jesus Christ sitting on His throne??? <--- w/out Christ in the picture, Ezekiel 11:14-20 is still yet future

I never said no prophecy had been fulfilled, just that there are many (i.e. Ezekiel 11:14-20) that still have yet to be fulfilled.

I'm not the one trusting in man's fables. As God commands, I'm told to study, & rightly divide His Word.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
2 Timothy 2:15


If Jesus said He only came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His audience is Israel. If Jesus sent the twelve only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Their audience also is Israel. Jews are scattered, Gentiles are not. Jesus sent the apostle Paul to the Gentiles. Why do believers ignore Paul's ministry, except to cherry pick from it? Basically, they're robbing Paul to pay Peter. Ignoring Paul's ministry, making themselves a circumcised Jew.

Peter even makes mention of Paul in one of his epistles to the scattered remnant of Israel. Peter warns...

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
2 Peter 3:15-16


If we're going to be judged according to the foundation Paul has laid of Jesus Christ for us, the revelation of the mystery, to the Body of Christ, then we should obey what God commanded according to that mystery. 1 Corinthians 3:9-15

"For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building."

"According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon."

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

"Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;"

"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."

"If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward."

"If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."


Doesn't the BoC want to have a good day at the Judgment Seat of Christ? Satan doesn't want us to.

The apostle Paul, & the apostle Peter, had two different ministries, two different audiences, two different Gospels.
Galatians 2:6-9

"But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:"

"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;"

"(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)"

"And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

How many gospels are there?

 

[Victoria]

How many gospels are there?

The Gospel we're saved by today is found in: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13-14
The apostle Paul says the following in 2 Corinthians 4:1-4:

"Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;"

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:"

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."


One example: there's a Gospel of the circumcision, & a Gospel of the uncircumcision.


Opinions on this may vary, but anyone can check this article out:
The Many Gospels of The Bible

I personally just do word searches, & cross references on topics I desire to learn more about.
The Bible Study Software Tools App I use is: Blue Letter Bible

The word Gospel occurs 104 times in 98 verses: Keyword Gospel

 

[e v e]

Most believers will go through tribulation.
Mostly, they do not care to know how or why.

please take care as it will begin very soon.

 

[e v e]

The Gospel we're saved by today is found in: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13-14
The apostle Paul says the following in 2 Corinthians 4:1-4:

"Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;"

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:"

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."


One example: there's a Gospel of the circumcision, & a Gospel of the uncircumcision.


Opinions on this may vary, but anyone can check this article out:
The Many Gospels of The Bible

I personally just do word searches, & cross references on topics I desire to learn more about.
The Bible Study Software Tools App I use is: Blue Letter Bible

The word Gospel occurs 104 times in 98 verses: Keyword Gospel

please redo the post as it made no sense. circumcision is a vatican ritual, for one.

 

[Victoria]

Victoria, we do not teach replacement theory, we believe and teach the word of God, that God has taken two and made one holy temple in the Lord which was his plan from all eternity. We let the NT Jewish apostles explain the OT scriptures for us, not C.I. Scofield, or John Hagee, and many other men and women who teach Jewish fables, instead of the word of God. God has not cast away the Jewish people, whom he foreknew IN CHRIST, to whom are all the promises of God secured by. I said last week that I will look at ROmans 11 and I will, later today.

If you do not teach replacement theology, then why make the BoC the bride, the Lamb's wife?
If we're the bride, the Lamb's wife, you're therefore implying we've replaced Israel.

I don't follow Scofield, John Hagee, or any other man. I can actually provide a long list of believers, going as far back as the 2nd Century, that believed what I believe. The lie that "Dispensationalism" was invented in the 1800's by Darby/Scofield has been debunked many times over. Those who haven't thoroughly researched this for themselves only displays their ignorance when making that accusation.
I aim to be careful not to voice an opinion via from word of mouth of gainsayers. Thus saith man's opinions, or thus saith the scriptures?

If you'd like to review that list, just let me know

Yes, by the Jewish apostles as we shall see. Each group accuses the other of robbers the others and the proof is truly in favor of the NT church, who Paul (a Jews by nature) calls the Israel of God, not me.

Galatians 6:16​

“And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”

For starters, if we're the Israel of God, shouldn't we be mentioned in Hebrews 8:8-12 via the New Covenant?


Galatians 6:12-16

"As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ."

"For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh."

"But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world."

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."


Israel, in their unbelief, is unable to comprehend this rule, not so much God's elect "aka" the believing remnant of Israel. Notice how they want Gentiles to be circumcised, wanting to glory in their own self righteousness?

The Jews took confidence in being Israelites after the flesh, but this proved nothing at all. And today, many evangelicals encourage them to continue to be proud of being Abraham's natural seed which truly gets them no favor with God. John, called them a generation of vipers, ( Matthew 23) and Jesus called them children of the devil~John 8.

Remember, he has already in this epistle identified peculiar Israelites (3:26-29; 4:26-31). Paul, a Jew by nature, argued that not all those of fleshly Israel were spiritual children of God (Romans 9:6). Jesus Christ identified Nathanael as an Israelite indeed, (meaning a spiritual Jew) with no inner guile (John 1:47). The true Jews in the sight of God are those with a spiritual work inside (Romans 2:28-29).

"the continuing existence of the Jewish people~So what? So have the Egyptians, and many other nations, this proves nothing.

Hold on...

"How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?" This could be allowed by God, to add to folks strong delusions, if they refuse to trust only the word of God for their understanding. When one see this, then they being to force their beliefs on the scriptures. I have heard men say they are God's chosen people while all along rejecting God sovereignty of all men in choosing whom he will, saying just how unjust that doctrine/teaching is, yet they allow it when it comes to the nation of Israel!

I actually made two posts in response to someone earlier in another thread, w/ scriptures to prove it's scriptural, not man forcing his own views on the scriptures. You might find these links helpful. This is what God says, not man.

The Bride, The Lamb's Wife/page-3#post-206340

The Meaning of Romans Chapter 11

I ask folk who believe in the restoration of the nation of the Jews to their home land where Christ shall reign over THAT NATION, and will restore the animals offering once more, to provide me scriptures in the NT to prove what they are teaching, yet they cannot do so, and the reason being there are none. It is actually blasphemy to teach "such a wicked doctrine" as restoring animals sacrifices once more, as though Christ's ONE OFFERING was not accepted unto God for the sins of his people.

More later..

Not blasphemy, it's scriptural...

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." 2 Thessalonians 2:4


Modern day Israel is still apostate, the vast majority are still in unbelief. They're not the believing remnant written about in Peter's ministry, hence why they need to be "born again" as a nation. This cannot happen until God gathers those scattered from out of the nations, & brings them into the land God promised them. There are two purposes for the tribulation.

1) Daniel's 70th Week/Jacob's Trouble inevitably results in a "born again" Jewish nation of God on the earth.
2) God pours out His wrath unto a Christ-rejecting, ungodly world.


Difference in Peter's ministry (Earth)...

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" Acts 1:6

"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;" Acts 3:19 <--- waiting for the atonement "aka" Israel born again as a nation

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
Hebrews 6:4-6 <--- future, tribulation


Difference in Paul's ministry (Heavens)...

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:" Philippians 3:20

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." 2 Corinthians 5:1

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." Ephesians 1:13-14

 

[Victoria]

please redo the post as it made no sense. circumcision is a vatican ritual, for one.

I'm sorry, hun

It appears truth to you is relative, not absolute. You have your truth, Christians have God's truth. Two, or more, cannot compare spiritual things w/ spiritual if anything that goes against what they believe is to be considered Vatican, sorcery, etc. That leaves no room for God Himself to be the final authority in all matters, & it doesn't bring unity to His body.

 

[Red Baker]

If you'd like to review that list, just let me know

I have more time starting today...so, I'll be posting later.