7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation

Tothalordbeallglory said:
There is one thing i would like for us to do here .
And it would greatly help us all out .
IF any comes and brings another gospel
and after correcting them they still do not hear
WE have no choice but to remove them . This would also bode well for sins .
IF i came on here defending SIN and after being corrected i wont hear
YOU all gonna have to boot me off . We need to keep the correct pattern .
THIS not only might help lead the one in error to repentance
but it will help keep leaven from rising up in time .
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So I would approach the issue of the gospel ( its something I defend and am very passionate ) with stating what the gospel is and what it is not. I as you might be aware of have started several threads on the gospel. And I have quoted Paul many times in Galatians 1:5-9. I just don't attack the person I'm arguing with , I attack their argument so its not a personal attack on them. Attacking ones doctrine is open game, name calling is not.
 
What's the Golden Rule tell us?

Answer: The “Golden Rule” is the name given to a principle Jesus taught in His Sermon on the Mount. The actual words “Golden Rule” are not found in Scripture, just as the words “Sermon on the Mount” are also not found. These titles were later added by Bible translation teams in order to make Bible study a little easier. The phrase “Golden Rule” began to be ascribed to this teaching of Jesus during the 16th–17th centuries.

What we call the Golden Rule refers to Matthew 7:12: “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” Jesus knew the human heart and its selfishness. In fact, in the preceding verse, He describes human beings as innately “evil” (verse 11). Jesus’ Golden Rule gives us a standard by which naturally selfish people can gauge their actions: actively treat others the way they themselves like to be treated.

The English Standard Version translates the Golden Rule like this: “Whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.” Jesus brilliantly condenses the entire Old Testament into this single principle, taken from Leviticus 19:18: “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.” Again, we see the implication that people are naturally lovers of self, and the command uses that human flaw as a place to start in how to treat others.

People universally demand respect, love, and appreciation, whether they deserve it or not. Jesus understood this desire and used it to promote godly behavior. Do you want to be shown respect? Then respect others. Do you crave a kind word? Then speak words of kindness to others. “It is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35). The Golden Rule is also part of the second greatest commandment, preceded only by the command to love God Himself (Matthew 22:37–39).

What is interesting to note about the Golden Rule is that no other religious or philosophical system has its equal. Jesus’ Golden Rule is not the “ethic of reciprocity” so commonly espoused by non-Christian moralists. Frequently, liberal critics and secular humanists attempt to explain away the uniqueness of the Golden Rule, saying it is a common ethic shared by all religions. This is not the case. Jesus’ command has a subtle, but very important, difference. A quick survey of the sayings of Eastern religions will make this plain:

• Confucianism: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Analects 15:23)

• Hinduism: “This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you” (Mahabharata 5:15–17)

• Buddhism: “Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful” (Udanavarga 5:18)

These sayings are similar to the Golden Rule but are stated negatively and rely on passivity. Jesus’ Golden Rule is a positive command to show love proactively. The Eastern religions say, “Refrain from doing”; Jesus says, “Do!” The Eastern religions say it is enough to hold your negative behavior in check; Jesus says to look for ways to act positively. Because of the “inverted” nature of the non-Christian sayings, they have been described as the “silver rule.”

Some have accused Jesus of “borrowing” the idea of the Golden Rule from the Eastern religions. However, the texts for Confucianism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, cited above, were all written between 500 and 400 BC, at the earliest. Jesus takes the Golden Rule from Leviticus, written about 1450 BC. So, Jesus’ source for the Golden Rule predates the “silver rule” by about 1,000 years. Who “borrowed” from whom?

The command to love is what separates the Christian ethic from every other religion’s ethic. In fact, the Bible’s championing of love includes the radical command to love even one’s enemies (Matthew 5:43–44; cf. Exodus 23:4–5). This is unheard of in other religions.

Obeying the Christian imperative to love others is a mark of a true Christian (John 13:35). In fact, Christians cannot claim to love God if they don’t actively love other people as well. “If someone says, ‘I love God’ and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen” (1 John 4:20). The Golden Rule encapsulates this idea and is unique to the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.


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This fits right in

Aeliana

Post in thread 'Trusting God Day by Day'

Believe the Best

Love (God’s love in us) does not insist on its own rights or its own way, for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it [it pays no attention to a suffered wrong].
1 CORINTHIANS 13:5

If we want to love people, we must let God transform the way we think about people and the things they do. We can believe the worst and be suspicious of everything others do and say, or we can believe the best. Real love always believes the best.

What we think and believe is a choice. The root of much of our...
 
Aeliana said:
This fits right in

Aeliana

Post in thread 'Trusting God Day by Day'

Believe the Best

Love (God’s love in us) does not insist on its own rights or its own way, for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it [it pays no attention to a suffered wrong].
1 CORINTHIANS 13:5

If we want to love people, we must let God transform the way we think about people and the things they do. We can believe the worst and be suspicious of everything others do and say, or we can believe the best. Real love always believes the best.

What we think and believe is a choice. The root of much of our...
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Can we love people by denying God?
 
Don't get left behind, be a Dorcas . . . who was full of good works and charitable deeds which she did.
ACTS 9:36

If there were a race named Kindness Classic or Good Deeds Derby, Dorcas would have been the champion. She made garments for widows and sewed the buttons on many a child’s coat. When she died, the whole town turned out in grief, and someone sent for Peter. The Bible says, “Peter . . . knelt down and prayed. And turning to the body he said, ‘Tabitha [Dorcas], arise.’ And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter she sat up” (Acts 9:40).

In 1982, Berkeley writer Anne Herbert wrote a simple sentence: “Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.” She wanted people to imagine what would happen if there were an outbreak of kindness in the world, if everybody did one kind thing on a daily basis. Now there is an international movement wherein thousands of people commit random acts of kindness, such as seeking to adopt a stray animal, smiling at a bus driver, complimenting a stranger, returning shopping carts to the store, treating local police officers to coffee, and giving up their places in the grocery line to someone with just one item.
If anyone should be kind, it is the followers of Jesus. Today, be a Dorcas and commit a random act of kindness.

The best portion of a good man’s life is his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
WILLIAM WORDSWORTH


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DavidTree said:
Can we love people by denying God?
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NO . In fact we too actually hate them .
FOR ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart you shall in any way correct them and not allow SIN upon them .
WELL allowing one to REMAIN IN UNBELIEF IS SIN as well as allowing them to remain in any sin .
And i PROMISE US ALL
that if one claims they love GOD and YET DENY HIS CHRIST , THEY Have NOT the love of GOD in them
and DENY GOD . SO hows that fora real simple answer .
In fact if i even gave all my goods to the poor , many hugs and etc
AND YET I myself have not CHARITY , PROFITS ME NADA .
AND what does CHARITY REJOICE IN AGAIN . THE TRUTH . I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE .
yet many think hugs and feeding the poor is What matters and that it matters NOT WHO they BELEIVED
Do you ever get the feeling MANY are being decieved by the dark one
WHO also can say GOD IS LOVE but leads them into REBELLION TO GOD t hrough his version of love .
CAUSE I KNOW he can and HE has been and so has much of christendom as well .
ON the day of the LORD , ON the DAY of the LORD , many will wail .
 
Angelo said:
You only responsible for yourself.
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Sounds a lot like , AM i my brothers keeper . Those who are HIS , Owe one another the love of GOD .
and that love would correct any brother or sister in error and sin .
We cannot turn a blind eye to our neighbor who is in sin .
For it is clearly written and JESUS himself sums it up
YE shall not hate your neighbor in y our heart , you SHALL in any way Correct him and not allow sin upon him .
 
FreeInChrist said:
If you could provide any single writing or more, from the historians that lived at that time ... say from Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian, and Tacitus, a Roman historian.... both of whom were alive in 70AD and it was Josephus who wrote about events in that period.... Tacitus no. Tacitus the Roman historian who wrote about the Roman Empire and its events. But not yet active as a historian in 70 CE, though he did live during this time.

And last but certainly not least Polycarp... who was a disciple of the Apostle John. Even being born around the year 69AD should have certain insights and knowledges he learned as an historian and a diciple of John... so I will post him last

if any of these support the And common preterist belief that Jesus came back then was fact, I might be persuaded that was when the great tribulation happened.

So what do of them say about such a thing.

Ill start with Tacitus.... as he did not start until after the 70AD period....and likely has less to say then Josephus

Tacitus on the Destruction of the Temple | Society for Classical Studies

This paper considers how Tacitus may have portrayed the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in the now-lost portion of the Histories, and how this might have affected readers’ experience of the Histories as a religious narrative.
www.classicalstudies.org www.classicalstudies.org


The above is what I could find on what Tacitus writing about the time had to say...

Now lets see what Flavius Josephus wrote as he was writing before 70AD

Ai ~ Josephus wrote that the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD was a result of Jewish sins and a sign that God had turned to the Romans, emphasizing the need for Jewish repentance. He did not claim that Jesus returned at that time; rather, he focused on the political and religious implications of the Temple's destruction for the Jewish people.

www.neverthirsty.org

Did Josephus reveal Christ returned in A.D. 70? — Preterism

Preterism is an increasingly popular view of the second coming of Christ. Is it true, did Josephus reveal Christ returned in A.D. 70?
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So far we have only speculation and guesswork as to if the signs really happened and if any biblical signs happened.

POLYCARP

Polycarp was a disciple of the Apostle John, and is considered one of the Ante-Nicene Church Fathers. His writings provide insight into early Christian beliefs regarding eschatology, particularly concerning the return of Jesus.

Ai~ Polycarp, an early Christian writer, hinted at a future coming of Christ in his writings, indicating that he did not believe the return of Jesus occurred in 70 AD. His references suggest that he viewed the events of the second coming as still to come, rather than having already happened.


Why Did the Disciples of the Apostles like Polycarp Teach a Future Resurrection Beyond A.D. 70?​


It eems from other sources that the tribulation mentioned by Jesus was not the future Great Tribulation.

There is not much from Polycarp on this subject of 70AD...but he was into the future coming of Jesus and that is where his teaching lay.
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Many partial preterists, including myself, DO NOT claim that Christ literally came in 70 A.D., but that He came symbolically in judgment, just as the prophets many times said that the Lord had come in judgment of various nations. Full preterists, however, DO believe that, as far as I know.
In my opinion, the 2nd Coming of Jesus HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. We know it will be a powerful, loud, world shaking, and terrifying event (for the lost), but a joyful, comforting, magnificent event for those of us who know and love Him.
I don't think we have any reason to doubt the writing of Josephus, concerning 70 A.D., who described the judgment in detail. I don't understand you saying that Josephus wrote (about Jerusalem's destruction) BEFORE 70 A.D. That would be mistaken.
 
Administrator said:
What's the Golden Rule tell us?

Answer: The “Golden Rule” is the name given to a principle Jesus taught in His Sermon on the Mount. The actual words “Golden Rule” are not found in Scripture, just as the words “Sermon on the Mount” are also not found. These titles were later added by Bible translation teams in order to make Bible study a little easier. The phrase “Golden Rule” began to be ascribed to this teaching of Jesus during the 16th–17th centuries.

What we call the Golden Rule refers to Matthew 7:12: “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” Jesus knew the human heart and its selfishness. In fact, in the preceding verse, He describes human beings as innately “evil” (verse 11). Jesus’ Golden Rule gives us a standard by which naturally selfish people can gauge their actions: actively treat others the way they themselves like to be treated.

The English Standard Version translates the Golden Rule like this: “Whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.” Jesus brilliantly condenses the entire Old Testament into this single principle, taken from Leviticus 19:18: “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.” Again, we see the implication that people are naturally lovers of self, and the command uses that human flaw as a place to start in how to treat others.

People universally demand respect, love, and appreciation, whether they deserve it or not. Jesus understood this desire and used it to promote godly behavior. Do you want to be shown respect? Then respect others. Do you crave a kind word? Then speak words of kindness to others. “It is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35). The Golden Rule is also part of the second greatest commandment, preceded only by the command to love God Himself (Matthew 22:37–39).

What is interesting to note about the Golden Rule is that no other religious or philosophical system has its equal. Jesus’ Golden Rule is not the “ethic of reciprocity” so commonly espoused by non-Christian moralists. Frequently, liberal critics and secular humanists attempt to explain away the uniqueness of the Golden Rule, saying it is a common ethic shared by all religions. This is not the case. Jesus’ command has a subtle, but very important, difference. A quick survey of the sayings of Eastern religions will make this plain:

• Confucianism: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Analects 15:23)

• Hinduism: “This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you” (Mahabharata 5:15–17)

• Buddhism: “Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful” (Udanavarga 5:18)

These sayings are similar to the Golden Rule but are stated negatively and rely on passivity. Jesus’ Golden Rule is a positive command to show love proactively. The Eastern religions say, “Refrain from doing”; Jesus says, “Do!” The Eastern religions say it is enough to hold your negative behavior in check; Jesus says to look for ways to act positively. Because of the “inverted” nature of the non-Christian sayings, they have been described as the “silver rule.”

Some have accused Jesus of “borrowing” the idea of the Golden Rule from the Eastern religions. However, the texts for Confucianism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, cited above, were all written between 500 and 400 BC, at the earliest. Jesus takes the Golden Rule from Leviticus, written about 1450 BC. So, Jesus’ source for the Golden Rule predates the “silver rule” by about 1,000 years. Who “borrowed” from whom?

The command to love is what separates the Christian ethic from every other religion’s ethic. In fact, the Bible’s championing of love includes the radical command to love even one’s enemies (Matthew 5:43–44; cf. Exodus 23:4–5). This is unheard of in other religions.

Obeying the Christian imperative to love others is a mark of a true Christian (John 13:35). In fact, Christians cannot claim to love God if they don’t actively love other people as well. “If someone says, ‘I love God’ and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen” (1 John 4:20). The Golden Rule encapsulates this idea and is unique to the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.


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Yes let us keep that in mind . that though the false religoins can quoate some truths
This does not make them OF GOD as they clearly DENY HIS CHRIST .
But in t his day and age many are trying to make us THINK we all serve the same GOD
by bringing simliarities . Thanks for exposing this my friend .
Because you are correct , the religoins of the world have a common thought process
that claims to LOVE GOD and their neighbor , and will teach concepts about doing good to your neighbor .
BUT aint it all in vain WITHOUT FAITH IN JESUS the CHRIST .
Because no matter how many times i have heard people accuse me
and tell me HEY there are good people in every religoin
MY simple response is , THEN BRING ME such a person WHO IS GOOD in the sight of GOD
and has not sinned , not fallen short of the righteousness of GOD .
MEANTIME i am g onna preach the ONLY ONE WHO DID . JESUS THE CHRIST .
for there is none who is good . ONLY GOD IS GOOD and ONLY CHRIST Could , as a man in the f lesh ,
WALK RIGHTEOUSLY BEFORE GOD and to fullfill
and THEN to take on the sins of the world , fOR OUR SAKES of course ,
and THE ONLY NAME whereby one may be saved .
Man cannot save himself .
LORD who then can be saved . WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE , but NOT with GOD
and GOD chose by the preaching of the gospel to save those WHO DO BELEIVE . its real simple .
 
Tothalordbeallglory said:
Sounds a lot like , AM i my brothers keeper . Those who are HIS , Owe one another the love of GOD .
and that love would correct any brother or sister in error and sin .
We cannot turn a blind eye to our neighbor who is in sin .
For it is clearly written and JESUS himself sums it up
YE shall not hate your neighbor in y our heart , you SHALL in any way Correct him and not allow sin upon him .
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“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4. How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:3-5

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The Meaning of Matthew 7:3-5 | “Plank in Your Eye” Bible Verse

Watch a video and learn what Jesus means in Matthew 7:3-5 when he says to take the plank out of your own eye before taking the speck out of another’s.
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Angelo said:
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4. How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:3-5

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The Meaning of Matthew 7:3-5 | “Plank in Your Eye” Bible Verse

Watch a video and learn what Jesus means in Matthew 7:3-5 when he says to take the plank out of your own eye before taking the speck out of another’s.
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notice you wont see me accusing you o this even when you said what you did .
all i did was remind you of what that sounds like and that we owe one another the love of GOD .
Which does correct . So where is my beam again .
I have a better solution .
Tell me what i wrote was false , expose it through the scriptures .
But be careful because i actually quoated scripture when i said YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart
that you will in any way correct him and not allow sin upon him .
SO
did i lie when i said that . careful now and remember I did not say that first
GOD did and CHRIST later sums it up with YOUR SHALL LOVE your neighbor AS YOURSELF .
i would want to be corrected if i was in error . correction is very good .
Correcting any in sin and error is as good thing . In fact
if we know our neighbor , our brethren are in a sin and we close our eyes and say nothing
and pretend as though we did not see . WELL go read proverbs .
WE WILL be held accountable . FOR WE owe love to one another and love sure does what is best for the other
And sin is not best for the other . TRUTH is , correction is . I hope this helps you my friend . I am not the enemy .
 
Tothalordbeallglory said:
notice you wont see me accusing you o this even when you said what you did .
all i did was remind you of what that sounds like and that we owe one another the love of GOD .
Which does correct . So where is my beam again .
I have a better solution .
Tell me what i wrote was false , expose it through the scriptures .
But be careful because i actually quoated scripture when i said YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart
that you will in any way correct him and not allow sin upon him .
SO
did i lie when i said that . careful now and remember I did not say that first
GOD did and CHRIST later sums it up with YOUR SHALL LOVE your neighbor AS YOURSELF .
i would want to be corrected if i was in error . correction is very good .
Correcting any in sin and error is as good thing . In fact
if we know our neighbor , our brethren are in a sin and we close our eyes and say nothing
and pretend as though we did not see . WELL go read proverbs .
WE WILL be held accountable . FOR WE owe love to one another and love sure does what is best for the other
And sin is not best for the other . TRUTH is , correction is . I hope this helps you my friend . I am not the enemy .
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All I did was post a bible verse and a link the explains it. In answer to your bible interpterion that you gave me.
 
Angelo said:
All I did was post a bible verse and a link the explains it. In answer to your bible interpterion that you gave me.
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okay . then lets start over .
Always remember we owe one another the love of GOD to love one another .
And love would and does correct those in error and in sin .
So our responsiblity is for the others as well . Now we are not held accountable to what they did
or if they wont repent . NO that is on them . But if we loved them we would have corrected them .
Just keep that in mind .
 
Aeliana said:
Oh pleaseo_O
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NO . In fact we too actually hate them .
FOR ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart you shall in any way correct them and not allow SIN upon them .
WELL allowing one to REMAIN IN UNBELIEF IS SIN as well as allowing them to remain in any sin .
And i PROMISE US ALL
that if one claims they love GOD and YET DENY HIS CHRIST , THEY Have NOT the love of GOD in them
and DENY GOD . SO hows that fora real simple answer .
In fact if i even gave all my goods to the poor , many hugs and etc
AND YET I myself have not CHARITY , PROFITS ME NADA .
AND what does CHARITY REJOICE IN AGAIN . THE TRUTH . I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE .
yet many think hugs and feeding the poor is What matters and that it matters NOT WHO they BELEIVED
Do you ever get the feeling MANY are being decieved by the dark one
WHO also can say GOD IS LOVE but leads them into REBELLION TO GOD t hrough his version of love .
CAUSE I KNOW he can and HE has been and so has much of christendom as well .
ON the day of the LORD , ON the DAY of the LORD , many will wail .
 

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