civic
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There are no references , sources so it’s not authoritative.
7 Reasons the church does not go through the great tribulation
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dwight92070
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It's from Grok AI, which actually is quite reliable.
Here's another bit of info from the same source:
AI Summary
To understand the age of dispensational theology, consider the following points:
- Dispensational theology emerged in the early 19th century.
- It was popularized by John Nelson Darby in the 1830s.
- The theology gained traction with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible in 1909.
- It emphasizes a literal interpretation of the Bible and distinct dispensations of God's plan.
- Dispensationalism became influential in American evangelicalism throughout the 20th century.
- Today, it remains a significant perspective within certain Christian denominations.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Well whether folks are ready or not
ITS COMING . We are gonna face persecutions that none of us in the western societies
has had to face .
It will be upon us just as soon as this delusion has filled these people to the full with the lie .
What started out as love and tolerance , in order to silence the truth
led only to the evil coming in and taking over . NOW that they got the high ground
They will seek more and more to silence any reminder of the truth .
And in time it wont just be words , its gonna be action .
SO prepare to lose all for JESUS sake . Let none conform to this ecuminal movement
for if one does they will never see this tribulation i speak about .
THEY will see only this , Dangerous haters being removed from society for sake of peace .
IN OTHER WORDS they will be helping and all in for the persecution of the true sheep WHO DID NOT conform .
Even now civic , even now you would marvel
at what has been done and is being done to transform minds
to see MEN Like me as dangerous as even ISIS . OH YEAH its happening . YET I dont even beleive in self defense .
BUT IT DONT and wont matter . mark those words well civic .
NOW On those FEET , we gots the true faith to contend for my friend .
THE WHORE and her love religoin takes no time off
WE take no time off . expose this harlot and preach JESUS .
Victoria
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Greetings Red Baker
Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC, hence why it's referred to as the "Holy Mother church" (i.e. feminine). There are no "her/she" pronouns in the Body of Christ, hence why we're of twain called, one new man (Ephesians 2:15), not one new woman. It's masculine, see?
Jesus Christ is our new identity. We're God's husbandry. 1 Corinthians 3:9
God's design for marriage is only to be between one man, & one woman, becoming one flesh. Polygamy goes against God's design for marriage, thus making it sinful. Moses murdered a man, king David not only slept w/ a married woman, & got her pregnant... he also murdered her husband. Would you say that murder/adultery therefore was not sinful, maybe not ideal,
but not sinful? Of course not!
"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12
There's a huge difference between a body (masculine), & a born again nation (feminine). What's quite funny, is when you actually think about it, the BoC (masculine) wants to steal Israel's (feminine) man, spiritually speaking
In Romans 11, Paul is explaining, AND making it perfectly clear, that Israel is not cast away
Victoria
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Correct, however, God doesn't add us to the bride, the Lamb's wife. That's all 100% Jewish.
We are not a "born again" nation, we're a body... a spiritual, masculine body "aka" Jesus Christ.
Victoria
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Israel, Hebrews-Revelation
It is widely understood that the books of the Old Testament were written for Israel.
Less understood is that there are epistles written to Israel in the New Testament, too.
The reason this is not recognized is that most assume that since Christ came everything written was for the church today.
Afterall, didn’t Israel reject their Messiah?
Not all of them did. There was a remnant that believed Him.
This is why James writes his epistle “to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad” (James 1:1).
There are no tribes in the Church today. Gentiles are not scattered in Gentile nations. They are right at home.
James was writing to the remnant of Israel scattered from Jerusalem for believing in their Messiah (see Acts 8:1).
Peter writes to the same scattered “strangers” in his epistles.
These letters were written by the elders of the church in Jerusalem to their scattered congregation – the remnant nation of Israel, the believing twelve tribes, the holy nation (1 Pet 2:9).
Unlike Paul’s epistles, which were often addressed to churches established and gathering in a Gentile city or region, the Remnant epistles [Hebrews-Revelation] are written to Jewish believers scattered and strangers among those cities and regions. Their nation was Israel.
If one of Israel’s twelve tribal apostles wrote the epistle, then you are likely reading an epistle to the scattered Messianic nation of Israel (Matt 19:28; Gal 2:9).
Paul, Romans-Philemon
"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:" Romans 11:13
"(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles" Galatians 2:8
"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." 1 Timothy 2:7
"Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles." 2 Timothy 1:11
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Victoria
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Greetings again dwight,
We have not only a more reliable source, but most importantly... we have scripture as well!
Let's start w/ the more reliable source. Recall that both Polycarp, & Papias were disciples of the apostle John... & how Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp? Is there NOT a more reliable source then they?
Jerome wrote of Polycarp (On Illustrious Men,17):
"Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John and by him ordained bishop of Smyrna, was the leader of all Asia,
where he saw and had as teachers some of the apostles and of those who had seen the Lord."
“And therefore in the end when the Church is suddenly caught up from this, it is said, ‘There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.’ For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome, they are crowned with incorruption." Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5.29.1
"In this persecution, it is handed down by tradition, that the apostle John, who was yet living, in consequence of his testamony of the divine word, was condemned to dwell on the island of Patmos. Irenaeus, indeed, in his fifth book against the heresies, where he speaks of the calculation formed on the epithet of, in the abovementioned revelation of John, speaks in the following manner respecting him. 'If, however, it were necessary to proclaim his name (i.e. Antichrist), openly at the present time, it would have been declared by him who saw the revelation, for it is not long since it was seen, but almost in our own generation, at the close of Domitian's reign." Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, pp. 101-102
The Apostle's Creed
Council of Milan - AD 390
(220 years after the destruction of Jerusalem)
#7 - who WILL come again to judge the living and the dead.
The Preterist view was created in the 17th Century by a
Jesuit priest named Luis de Alcazar.
He lived from 1554 to 1613.
His purpose was to defend the Catholic church against the
attacks of the Reformation movement.
He attributed the Tribulation to the fall of Israel and the
great apostasy to the first Century church.
"Preterist" is Latin.
The very language the Catholic church and the Jesuit priests used.
It means "past." Thus, Preterists believe Bible prophecy was fulfilled in the past.
What The Prophets Said:
Hosea 2:18; Micah 4:3; Isaiah 2:4 <--- future
Revelation 20:9 tells us they gather, but no weapons, no war training <--- future
Prophecy tells us there would be no more war after Armageddon.
Micah 4:1-3; Isaiah 2:2-4 <--- future
Isaiah 11:6; Isaiah 65:25 <--- future
Isaiah 65:19; Revelation 21:4 <--- future
Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14 <--- future
Jeremiah 3:14; 16-18 <--- future
Psalm 83 <--- still surrounds modern day Israel to this day.
God Will Battle Jerusalem's Foes
Zechariah 14 <--- future
"The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD." Hosea 1:2
Israel's Unfaithfulness Condemned
Hosea 2:1-13
Restoration of Israel
Hosea 2:14-23 <--- future
The Judgment Seat of Christ (The Just):
Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Corinthians 3:9-15
The Great White Throne Judgment (The Unjust):
Revelation 20:11-15
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@Victoria
I'll have a few minutes to post before folks begin to arise from a night of sleep, for me, I've been up since five which is generally a little late for me. I said to my wife once....'Honey, I wish you would get up and see the beautiful sun rise with me, to which she said....I wish you would keep from going to bed at night, so you could see the sunset with me"~ what could say? She got me!
I respectfully disagree with you, where you said: "Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC".
Just because RCC say something right once in a blue moon, does not make it wrong. As I was thinking before posting to you, exactly how I should answer you being short on time, here are some of my thoughts.
1) The Church (Jews and Gentiles) are indeed the body of Christ being one with him just as a husband and wife are one flesh. How would you answer teh following.
Sister, who is the bride of Christ in this verse? Again:
Who is the bride of Christ in these verses? Again:
Who is the Lamb marrying?
Go back to Revelation 22:17 ~“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”
look at verse 16:
That is where the BRIDE IS, who along with the Spirit said COME!
I'll be back later....in the meantime consider these scriptures. RB
Good morning Victoria,
I'll have a few minutes to post before folks begin to arise from a night of sleep, for me, I've been up since five which is generally a little late for me. I said to my wife once....'Honey, I wish you would get up and see the beautiful sun rise with me, to which she said....I wish you would keep from going to bed at night, so you could see the sunset with me"~ what could say? She got me!
I respectfully disagree with you, where you said: "Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC".
Just because RCC say something right once in a blue moon, does not make it wrong. As I was thinking before posting to you, exactly how I should answer you being short on time, here are some of my thoughts.
1) The Church (Jews and Gentiles) are indeed the body of Christ being one with him just as a husband and wife are one flesh. How would you answer teh following.
Revelation 22:17
“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”Sister, who is the bride of Christ in this verse? Again:
Revelation 21:2
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”Revelation 21:9
“And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.”Who is the bride of Christ in these verses? Again:
Revelation 19:7
“Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.”Who is the Lamb marrying?
Go back to Revelation 22:17 ~“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”
look at verse 16:
Revelation 22:16
“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”That is where the BRIDE IS, who along with the Spirit said COME!
I'll be back later....in the meantime consider these scriptures. RB
civic
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Yes replacing Israel and all it’s unfulfilled promise to them in their land with the church is by definition replacement theology .Greetings Red Baker
Making the Body of Christ the bride, the Lamb's wife, comes from Replacement Theology. It's a teaching that comes out of the RCC, hence why it's referred to as the "Holy Mother church" (i.e. feminine). There are no "her/she" pronouns in the Body of Christ, hence why we're of twain called, one new man (Ephesians 2:15), not one new woman. It's masculine, see?
Jesus Christ is our new identity. We're God's husbandry. 1 Corinthians 3:9
God's design for marriage is only to be between one man, & one woman, becoming one flesh. Polygamy goes against God's design for marriage, thus making it sinful. Moses murdered a man, king David not only slept w/ a married woman, & got her pregnant... he also murdered her husband. Would you say that murder/adultery therefore was not sinful, maybe not ideal,
but not sinful? Of course not!
"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12
There's a huge difference between a body (masculine), & a born again nation (feminine). What's quite funny, is when you actually think about it, the BoC (masculine) wants to steal Israel's (feminine) man, spiritually speaking
In Romans 11, Paul is explaining, AND making it perfectly clear, that Israel is not cast away
They might as well throw out the 2nd Coming in their theology as well since He cones back to Jerusalem to wage war and set up His Kingdom. They twist prophecy into a theological pretzel
Victoria
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Greetings Red Baker!
There's absolutely no problem w/ agreeing to disagree respectfully. Given how short you've been on time lately, I'd recommend going over the scriptures previously posted before jumping to such a quick conclusion. When we do not rightly divide God's Word, as He commands us to, we can end up mixing Israel w/ the Body of Christ, placing ourselves in the wrong audience.
As for Replacement Theology... we cannot have one w/out the other. It's either we've replaced Israel, thus also making us the bride as well, or we haven't. We cannot have our cake, & eat it too. You'll have to decide which it will be. Jesus Christ is not female, that we can know for certain.
"He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled." John 3:29
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:5-6
Now, if the twelve were commanded NOT to go into the way of the Gentiles, then how could we possibly be in the same audience of Hebrews-Revelation? Jesus gave the believing remnant of Israel the twelve apostles, & later gave the believing Gentiles the apostle Paul.
There will only be twelve thrones in Christs' kingdom. Matthias replaced Judas Iscariot. Paul persecuted the little flock, the kingdom church, & therefore couldn't qualify to take Judas' place b/c he didn't follow Jesus since the beginning of His ministry, beginning w/ the baptism of John.
"Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,"
Acts 1:21-24
"That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."
Acts 1:25-26
So what are you going to do w/ the apostle Paul?
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Victoria
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Yes replacing Israel and all it’s unfulfilled promise to them in their land with the church is by definition replacement theology .
They might as well throw out the 2nd Coming in their theology as well since He cones back to Jerusalem to wage war and set up His Kingdom. They twist prophecy into a theological pretzel
Victoria
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@DavidTree
Replacement Theology, also known as Supersessionism, has roots in early Christian thought, including teachings
from Church Fathers like Justin Martyr and Augustine.
Replacement Theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are spiritualized or allegorized into promises of God’s blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2,000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?
The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is distinct from Israel, and the terms church and Israel are never to be confused or used interchangeably. The church has not replaced Israel in God’s plan. While God may be focusing His attention primarily on the church in this dispensation of grace, God has not forgotten Israel and will one day restore Israel to His intended role as the nation He has chosen.
Romans 11; Jeremiah 31:31-34
Replacement Theology, also known as Supersessionism, has roots in early Christian thought, including teachings
from Church Fathers like Justin Martyr and Augustine.
Replacement Theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are spiritualized or allegorized into promises of God’s blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2,000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?
The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is distinct from Israel, and the terms church and Israel are never to be confused or used interchangeably. The church has not replaced Israel in God’s plan. While God may be focusing His attention primarily on the church in this dispensation of grace, God has not forgotten Israel and will one day restore Israel to His intended role as the nation He has chosen.
Romans 11; Jeremiah 31:31-34
@Victoria @DavidTree
Victoria, we do not teach replacement theory, we believe and teach the word of God, that God has taken two and made one holy temple in the Lord which was his plan from all eternity. We let the NT Jewish apostles explain the OT scriptures for us, not C.I. Scofield, or John Hagee, and many other men and women who teach Jewish fables, instead of the word of God. God has not cast away the Jewish people, whom he foreknew IN CHRIST, to whom are all the promises of God secured by. I said last week that I will look at ROmans 11 and I will, later today.
The Jews took confidence in being Israelites after the flesh, but this proved nothing at all. And today, many evangelicals encourage them to continue to be proud of being Abraham's natural seed which truly gets them no favor with God. John, called them a generation of vipers, ( Matthew 23) and Jesus called them children of the devil~John 8.
Remember, he has already in this epistle identified peculiar Israelites (3:26-29; 4:26-31). Paul, a Jew by nature, argued that not all those of fleshly Israel were spiritual children of God (Romans 9:6). Jesus Christ identified Nathanael as an Israelite indeed, (meaning a spiritual Jew) with no inner guile (John 1:47). The true Jews in the sight of God are those with a spiritual work inside (Romans 2:28-29).
"How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?" This could be allowed by God, to add to folks strong delusions, if they refuse to trust only the word of God for their understanding. When one see this, then they being to force their beliefs on the scriptures. I have heard men say they are God's chosen people while all along rejecting God sovereignty of all men in choosing whom he will, saying just how unjust that doctrine/teaching is, yet they allow it when it comes to the nation of Israel!
I ask folk who believe in the restoration of the nation of the Jews to their home land where Christ shall reign over THAT NATION, and will restore the animals offering once more, to provide me scriptures in the NT to prove what they are teaching, yet they cannot do so, and the reason being there are none. It is actually blasphemy to teach "such a wicked doctrine" as restoring animals sacrifices once more, as though Christ's ONE OFFERING was not accepted unto God for the sins of his people.
More later..
After the today, I should be free again, but do have an appointment with a family with their six children mid morning. It is wonderful to see family AGAIN as it was when I came up where family consist of father, mother and about six to ten children! The Muslins motto is we have children to populate our beliefs, white women have dogs and cats! Which is so true! My children of four gave us around twenty grandchildren and I wish they would have given more. We ourselves stopped at four before we came to the Lord, or else we may have had many more.
Victoria, we do not teach replacement theory, we believe and teach the word of God, that God has taken two and made one holy temple in the Lord which was his plan from all eternity. We let the NT Jewish apostles explain the OT scriptures for us, not C.I. Scofield, or John Hagee, and many other men and women who teach Jewish fables, instead of the word of God. God has not cast away the Jewish people, whom he foreknew IN CHRIST, to whom are all the promises of God secured by. I said last week that I will look at ROmans 11 and I will, later today.
Yes, by the Jewish apostles as we shall see. Each group accuses the other of robbers the others and the proof is truly in favor of the NT church, who Paul (a Jews by nature) calls the Israel of God, not me.
Galatians 6:16
“And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”The Jews took confidence in being Israelites after the flesh, but this proved nothing at all. And today, many evangelicals encourage them to continue to be proud of being Abraham's natural seed which truly gets them no favor with God. John, called them a generation of vipers, ( Matthew 23) and Jesus called them children of the devil~John 8.
Remember, he has already in this epistle identified peculiar Israelites (3:26-29; 4:26-31). Paul, a Jew by nature, argued that not all those of fleshly Israel were spiritual children of God (Romans 9:6). Jesus Christ identified Nathanael as an Israelite indeed, (meaning a spiritual Jew) with no inner guile (John 1:47). The true Jews in the sight of God are those with a spiritual work inside (Romans 2:28-29).
"the continuing existence of the Jewish people~So what? So have the Egyptians, and many other nations, this proves nothing.
"How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1,900 years?" This could be allowed by God, to add to folks strong delusions, if they refuse to trust only the word of God for their understanding. When one see this, then they being to force their beliefs on the scriptures. I have heard men say they are God's chosen people while all along rejecting God sovereignty of all men in choosing whom he will, saying just how unjust that doctrine/teaching is, yet they allow it when it comes to the nation of Israel!
I ask folk who believe in the restoration of the nation of the Jews to their home land where Christ shall reign over THAT NATION, and will restore the animals offering once more, to provide me scriptures in the NT to prove what they are teaching, yet they cannot do so, and the reason being there are none. It is actually blasphemy to teach "such a wicked doctrine" as restoring animals sacrifices once more, as though Christ's ONE OFFERING was not accepted unto God for the sins of his people.
More later..
FreeInChrist
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1) First, the God kept this promise concerning the land to natural Israel.
Joshua 21:43-45
“And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.”
Nehemiah 9:7-8
“Thou are the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram … and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites ... and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous.”
See also: Joshua 11:23; 23:14-15; Ist Kings 8:34,56; Nehemiah 9:22-25; Exodus 23:2 7-31; Numbers 34:1-15; Deuteronomy 11:22-25; Psalms 44:1-3; 105:43-45; 135:10-12; Acts 7:4 5; Joshua 2:24; 3:9-11; 22:4; 24:13; 2nd Chron 6:25; Jeremiah 32:21-23.
Compare also: Deuteronomy 7:22; 2nd Samuel 8:1-6; 1st Kings 4:20-21; Ist Samuel 27:8-9.
Close to 100 scriptures give or take a few, that you folks need to explain you can start with Joshua 21:43-45; Nehemiah 9:7-9.
2 )You said: "The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land"
Abraham and OT saints understood that the promised of the land was the NEW earth yet to come!
Hebrews 2:5
“For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.”Hebrews 11:13
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.”Hebrews 11:16
“But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”Revelation 21:1
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”Psalms 37:29
“The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.”Psalms 37:9
“For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.”Psalms 37:11
“But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”Psalms 37:22
“For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.”David fully understood the inheritance of the righteousness to be in the NEW earth! There are a hundred's more such scriptures if one just trust God and not man's fables!.
2nd Timothy 4:4
“And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
civic
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none of the above have anything to do with Israel in their land. A major example od EISEGESIS. A Hodge podge of Scriptures thrown out that have nothing to do with the prophecies concerning the Jews in their land.
Yes you are spouting fables with your pov.
civic
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First of all, a national spiritual regeneration by turning to Jesus is not a biblical prerequisite for a major movement of Jewish people returning to and possessing the Land of Israel. In fact, the prophet Zechariah indicated the Jewish people would turn to God, through the Messiah, only after returning to Israel (Zech.12:10; 13:1). Likewise, the prophet Ezekiel stated God’s promise, “For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land” (Ezek. 36:24). The passage continues, “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean…. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh” (Ezek. 36:25–26). Note that the spiritual regeneration of Israel follows the restoration of the Jewish people to the Land. Thus regathered, Israel will, as a nation, turn in faith toward the promised Messiah.
Second, the Bible predicts Israel would return to the Land in stages. Ezekiel 37 contains the stark and unforgettable vision of a valley of dry bones. The bones come to life in stages: first sinews on the bones, then flesh, then skin, and finally, the breath of life (Ezek. 37:6–10). Then God tells Ezekiel, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel” (Ezek. 37:11). This vivid depiction of the Jewish people’s restoration to their Promised Land is well in keeping with what is actually occurring. The regathering does not occur instantaneously; rather, it is a process culminating when the nation as a whole receives the Messiah according to Jewish expectation.
The dry bones represent Israel in exile, without hope. The process of the bones coming together with sinew, flesh, and skin refers to the successive waves of returning Jews before Israel’s rebirth. This is, in fact, how the Jewish people have returned to the Land. There were five separate aliyot (immigration waves) from 1881 to 1939, returning Jewish people from Europe to the Promised Land. After Israel’s birth in 1948, an estimated one million European Jewish survivors of the Holocaust came to Israel, followed by a majority of the 800,000 Jewish people driven from their homes in Arab countries. More recently, 1.5 million Jewish people fled the Former Soviet Union and immigrated to Israel. These immigration waves show how the Jewish people have returned in stages. The body without breath represents unbelieving Israel, restored but not yet regenerated. Finally, according to this passage, God breathes life into these bodies, representing the day when all Israel turns to the Messiah.
Third, the Bible predicts Israel would return to her Land through persecution. The Hebrew Scripture says of Israel, “For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers” (Jer. 16:15). God will use “fishermen” and “hunters” to pursue His people back to Israel (Jer. 16:16). This metaphor for persecution has been literally fulfilled in Israel’s rebirth. Since the birth of modern Zionism, the primary motivation for return to the Land of Israel has been anti-Jewish persecution. In the last hundred years, Czarist pogroms, Polish economic discrimination, Nazi genocide, Arab hatred, Soviet repression, and more recently, an alarming rise in European and North American antisemitism have driven Jewish people back to their homeland.
Fourth, the Bible predicts that, after a period of exile, the children of Israel would return to reestablish national identity, thus setting the stage for the arrival of the Messiah and the consummation of history as we know it. At that time, the Messiah will deliver Israel from her enemies (Zech. 14:3).
Ask yourself, do the facts of history—particularly the emergence of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East—line up sufficiently with the predictions of the Hebrew Bible to form a credible connection? Since Israel has returned in unbelief, in stages, through persecution, the establishment of the modern State of Israel likely fulfills the predictions of the ancient Hebrew prophets and sets the stage for events yet to come.
The return to Zion is powerful evidence of the truth of Scripture. It is beyond remarkable that God would restore a dispersed and persecuted people to their Land after two thousand years of exile. Given the relationship between these events and the predictions of the Bible, would you say it is more or less likely that this has truly come about by the hand of God?
And if the above is true—what impact should this have on our lives? Certainly, we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6)! Also, if the return of Jesus is linked to the Jewish people turning to Him, then how should we view Jewish evangelism today? This question is answered by the Apostle Paul in Romans 11:11–29! As God’s people, we must do all we can to reach Jewish people with the message of the gospel!https://chosenpeople.com/is-the-modern-state-of-israel
hope this helps !!!
Second, the Bible predicts Israel would return to the Land in stages. Ezekiel 37 contains the stark and unforgettable vision of a valley of dry bones. The bones come to life in stages: first sinews on the bones, then flesh, then skin, and finally, the breath of life (Ezek. 37:6–10). Then God tells Ezekiel, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel” (Ezek. 37:11). This vivid depiction of the Jewish people’s restoration to their Promised Land is well in keeping with what is actually occurring. The regathering does not occur instantaneously; rather, it is a process culminating when the nation as a whole receives the Messiah according to Jewish expectation.
The dry bones represent Israel in exile, without hope. The process of the bones coming together with sinew, flesh, and skin refers to the successive waves of returning Jews before Israel’s rebirth. This is, in fact, how the Jewish people have returned to the Land. There were five separate aliyot (immigration waves) from 1881 to 1939, returning Jewish people from Europe to the Promised Land. After Israel’s birth in 1948, an estimated one million European Jewish survivors of the Holocaust came to Israel, followed by a majority of the 800,000 Jewish people driven from their homes in Arab countries. More recently, 1.5 million Jewish people fled the Former Soviet Union and immigrated to Israel. These immigration waves show how the Jewish people have returned in stages. The body without breath represents unbelieving Israel, restored but not yet regenerated. Finally, according to this passage, God breathes life into these bodies, representing the day when all Israel turns to the Messiah.
Third, the Bible predicts Israel would return to her Land through persecution. The Hebrew Scripture says of Israel, “For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers” (Jer. 16:15). God will use “fishermen” and “hunters” to pursue His people back to Israel (Jer. 16:16). This metaphor for persecution has been literally fulfilled in Israel’s rebirth. Since the birth of modern Zionism, the primary motivation for return to the Land of Israel has been anti-Jewish persecution. In the last hundred years, Czarist pogroms, Polish economic discrimination, Nazi genocide, Arab hatred, Soviet repression, and more recently, an alarming rise in European and North American antisemitism have driven Jewish people back to their homeland.
Fourth, the Bible predicts that, after a period of exile, the children of Israel would return to reestablish national identity, thus setting the stage for the arrival of the Messiah and the consummation of history as we know it. At that time, the Messiah will deliver Israel from her enemies (Zech. 14:3).
Ask yourself, do the facts of history—particularly the emergence of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East—line up sufficiently with the predictions of the Hebrew Bible to form a credible connection? Since Israel has returned in unbelief, in stages, through persecution, the establishment of the modern State of Israel likely fulfills the predictions of the ancient Hebrew prophets and sets the stage for events yet to come.
The return to Zion is powerful evidence of the truth of Scripture. It is beyond remarkable that God would restore a dispersed and persecuted people to their Land after two thousand years of exile. Given the relationship between these events and the predictions of the Bible, would you say it is more or less likely that this has truly come about by the hand of God?
And if the above is true—what impact should this have on our lives? Certainly, we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm 122:6)! Also, if the return of Jesus is linked to the Jewish people turning to Him, then how should we view Jewish evangelism today? This question is answered by the Apostle Paul in Romans 11:11–29! As God’s people, we must do all we can to reach Jewish people with the message of the gospel!https://chosenpeople.com/is-the-modern-state-of-israel
hope this helps !!!
dwight92070
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Another reason that Christians will not go through the great tribulation appears to be because that already happened just prior to 70 A.D. However we must still face suffering and tribulation and maybe even death, if we live a godly life honoring Jesus.
Victoria
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When have the scattered been regathered by God to the land God had promised Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob?
Ezekiel 11:14-20 has not been fulfilled yet, Red Baker.
1) The Jews are still scattered abroad among the Gentile nations.
2) The vast majority of modern day Israel is still in unbelief today (Romans 11:25), & only possess a fraction of the land God had promised Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.
3) Where is Jesus Christ sitting on His throne??? <--- w/out Christ in the picture, Ezekiel 11:14-20 is still yet future
I never said no prophecy had been fulfilled, just that there are many (i.e. Ezekiel 11:14-20) that still have yet to be fulfilled.
I'm not the one trusting in man's fables. As God commands, I'm told to study, & rightly divide His Word.
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
2 Timothy 2:15
If Jesus said He only came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His audience is Israel. If Jesus sent the twelve only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Their audience also is Israel. Jews are scattered, Gentiles are not. Jesus sent the apostle Paul to the Gentiles. Why do believers ignore Paul's ministry, except to cherry pick from it? Basically, they're robbing Paul to pay Peter. Ignoring Paul's ministry, making themselves a circumcised Jew.
Peter even makes mention of Paul in one of his epistles to the scattered remnant of Israel. Peter warns...
"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
2 Peter 3:15-16
If we're going to be judged according to the foundation Paul has laid of Jesus Christ for us, the revelation of the mystery, to the Body of Christ, then we should obey what God commanded according to that mystery. 1 Corinthians 3:9-15
"For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building."
"According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon."
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."
"Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;"
"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."
"If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward."
"If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
Doesn't the BoC want to have a good day at the Judgment Seat of Christ? Satan doesn't want us to.
The apostle Paul, & the apostle Peter, had two different ministries, two different audiences, two different Gospels.
Galatians 2:6-9
"But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:"
"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;"
"(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)"
"And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."
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civic
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Nicely said!
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