Your Views on The Trinity

[civic]

Well , JESUS and the apostels made it real clear
that those who Believe NOT HE Is Christ will surely perish .
There are no broad all inclusive ecumenical roads WITH the TRUE JESUS .
Its beleive in HIM or perish . Let us keep that in mind .
Because if we believe in another gospel
say like OH I BELEIVE but its not necessary to beleive , THEN WE beleive only IN UNBELIEF .
no more kissing korans and budda statues and acting like
all religoins serve the same GOD we do . Nor can we even dare keep company
with those who preach this other so called gospel and its finding common ground .

believing in another jesus is the same category as believing in another gospel- neither one will save anyone from their sins.

its vital to ones eternity to get both of them right.

a human jesus without being Divine cannot redeem anyone.

Psalm 49:7
No one can by any means redeem another Or give God a ransom for him

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag @FreeInChrist @brightfame52 @civic @Runningman @dwight92070 @Jim @Victoria

Peter, I would not deny this for it is quite evident that this is so, yet I and other believers have never been part of either group. Protestantism is a word coined by the whore from Rome, making folks believe that if you are not of them then you by the law of deduction, are one that is guilty of protesting truth by the Mother church. We do not sleep with whores, we have been espoused to one husband and are faithful to him!

2nd Corinthians 11:2​

“For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.”

Peter, you are preaching to the choir, I know well that there are false cults on every street corner in Mystery Babylon, and yours without question being one of them. I would not judge them totally on their understanding of the Godhead, more so by the love of the truth and godly living, and the gospel that they preached, either a system of works or one of free grace. There are believers who believe in Jesus' deity as God manifest in flesh, yet hold to the eternal sonship of Jesus, with is an error, yet, a much less corruption of the truth than your total denial of Jesus being God manifest in the flesh, yours is a blatant antichrist teaching.

Well, I came out of them many years ago, back in the seventies, and for the most part have worship in very small home groups and other small groups of public worship with selected believers. Most of mine understanding came directly from personal studies and a few other saints personal searching for the truth.

I don't care what you call it. Protestantism, another group that we think is different from the Catholics, the new church down the street. It's still the same Catholic doctrine. And I would be very careful about who believes the same doctrine as the Catholics when saying I'm not Catholic. Or that I'm not teaching a blatant antichrist teaching.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman

Of course not, for concerning Jesus' humanity, God was his Father, that's not even debatable. God is a Spirit, Jesus was both a man and God in human flesh. Jesus was a complex person, fully man, fully God, the mystery of godliness, which no Christian would never deny. If one denies this truth then they do not know neither the Father or the Son. He that confesses both, has both the Father and the Son abiding within them.

2nd John 1:9​

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.”

@Runningman, I do not find fault with the prophet Isaiah, who said:

Isaiah 9:6​

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Do you find fault with the prophet calling the son THE everlasting Father? In what sense is this true? Jesus was the God of Genesis 1:1 in his eternal deity as God. Just as John wrote:

Revelation 1:8​

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

1st John 1:1​

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;”

Ah, I see where you are coming from. Well, there are a few things here. First of all, Jesus being the everlasting Father is something he taught against. We can go more into Isaiah 9:6 later, but that verse is never stated by anyone in the Bible to be about Jesus.

Matthew 23
9And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

Jesus on Earth said to "not call anyone on earth your father" but rather their Father is in heaven, where Jesus was currently not at the time of that statement. So we know that Jesus isn't the everlasting Father.

So I will send 2John 1:9 directly back at you: Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God.

Revelation 1:8 isn't about Jesus. Read from Revelation 1:4-8 and let me know if you see how Jesus is distinct from the One described as "the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come."

 

[Runningman]

Well , JESUS and the apostels made it real clear
that those who Believe NOT HE Is Christ will surely perish .
There are no broad all inclusive ecumenical roads WITH the TRUE JESUS .
Its beleive in HIM or perish . Let us keep that in mind .
Because if we believe in another gospel
say like OH I BELEIVE but its not necessary to beleive , THEN WE beleive only IN UNBELIEF .
no more kissing korans and budda statues and acting like
all religoins serve the same GOD we do . Nor can we even dare keep company
with those who preach this other so called gospel and its finding common ground .

Peter and I both believe Jesus is the one whom God made both Lord and Christ, just like the Bible says. So your rant doesn't apply to us.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

How about you. Do you believe Jesus was made (made, manufactured, constructed) Lord and Christ?

 

[Salty]

That's the best way to present you View Nice and Clear!

I don't think there can be no more pressing question to be addressed by the theological student than that of how academic theological study is to be related to the everyday life of Christian believers. It is, after all, an issue with which some of the church’s greatest minds have wrestled with for a lifetime and yet never come up with a fully satisfactory answer.

As followers of Christ we are called to walk at a higher stander the the rest of the world. A follower of Christ is called a Christian or a disciple. "Christian" is the most common name, while "disciple" emphasizes a deeper commitment to learning from and following Jesus's teachings and actions.

The only time that comes to mind at the moment that Jesus acted out in anger was at the money changers and sellers.

So yes, the Bible records instances of Jesus becoming angry, most notably when he cleansed the temple by driving out the money changers and sellers. This anger was not selfish but righteous, motivated by his love for people and his zeal for God's house. He was angry at sin and injustice, such as hypocrisy, mistreatment of others, and religious leaders preventing people from worshiping God.

I pray we can treat members here with love and respect even when we disagree.

Our triune God created the world with humanity as the crown of creation; humanity fell into sin, sin which darkened the whole of its existence, including those areas traditionally referred to as intellect, will and emotions; through the incarnation of the second person of the Trinity, God redeemed a people for himself; that people now enjoy fellowship with God the Father through Christ the Son via the personal ministry of the Holy Spirit.

While Christians have a foretaste of their eschatological perfection in this life, however, we remain as those who look forward to the full consummation of their salvation at the end time, not those who enjoy it here and now other than by way of anticipation.

Given the reality of this basic framework for understanding our existence, it becomes obvious that the conditions for a healthy life as a theological student are, as one would expect, determined to a large extent by the conditions for a healthy spiritual life in general. What are these conditions?

These conditions consist primarily in careful and faithful view of grace. That is where healthy spiritual life begins, and that is something which must take priority if we are ever to achieve a proper integration of our working lives with our broader Christian existence.

 

[Ozias]

I believe you are thinking about something that does not exist.

Chromosomes not braincells. But the good news is they are doing brain-transplants now.

 

[TomL]

Paul taught that God loved others before the foundation of the world too.

Ephesians 1
4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Um

Ephesians 1:4–5 (NASB95) — 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,

First

Ephesians 1:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This speaks of a future predestination


Second There was no mention of predestination in the verse quoted

John 17:24Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

TomL said:

Where he was in the form of God

Philippians 2:5–7 (NASB 95) — 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Runningman

Another one of my go to verses that prove that Jesus isn't God. Paul was teaching them to have the mind of Jesus, not teach them to believe they are God.

Um you ignore the fact he existed in the form of God

Was God a thing?

The fact he existed in the form of God totally refutes your claim he was but a thing

Later in the context, Paul taught them that Jesus isn't the God who receives glory.

Philippians 2
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Um Christ is clearly glorified

Rev 5:12–13saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”

Phil 2:9–11For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Col 1:15–20He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

I also quote this verse. Right off the bat we can see that God didn't speak through the Son in the past when He was creating, but rather only spoke through the Son "in these last days" which is after creation.

Um he used the son to create all things

John 1:1–3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Heb 1:1–2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

remember the verses were additional proof of your error in calling Christ a thing

Tell me, do you know when "these last days" are?

The Greek grammar of John 1:1 is where Unitarians win this argument. Provided that the Word as god lacks a definite article, it is not The God, meaning it is either indefinitely (a god) or qualitative (describing the nature of something.) We know that the Word is not God because the Bible explicitly defines the Word as a thing in the entire Old Testament and 1 John 1:1-3. We also know the Father is the only true God. We also know that the Word isn't a god since there are no examples of that in the OT. Therefore, the only rational conclusion is that the word is qualitative. That's why Biblical Unitarians translate John 1:1 this way:

Afraid not. You are trying to make a noun an adjective which was shown faulty by Greek lexical expertease.

Further multiple lines of proof disproved your thing claim

John 1:1 REV
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and what God was the word was.

This translation is fully supported by the Greek and context of the Bible.

Um

John 1:1 (NA27) — 1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

translation

And God was the word

The word of God is spoken of as a thing that can be handled, seen, and even tasted in Scripture. It's no problem for John to say that the word is something that touched with their hands.

Hardly

1 John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THAT which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

John speaking of that which they heard, saw with their eyes and looked upon clearly is not speaking of an impewrsonal thing


You are far off here

Hebrews 6
5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age—

Here you assume the word of God is Christ here but there is no evidence of this at all

2 Timothy 2
15Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth.

No mention of Christ here

1 John 1:1-3 is completely in line with the Word being a thing they could touch based on very basic exegesis. These are things you should know, but seem to have either never read or forgot about in your religious tunnel vision. This is why John is explicitly identifying the Word as a thing. John didn't believe the Word is God. If you don't understand Jewish literature and personification, and you are completely detached from their culture, it's easy to misunderstand this. This is why Scripture study is more than just reading verses, but actually knowing how the people who wrote what they wrote intended them to be received by their audience.

So yeah, the Word is definitely a thing, Scripture says so reputedly.

Sorry but you are far off base. Nowhere in anything you refered to was there evidence of an unpersonal thing.
Further John did state the word was God

Was John calling an unpersonal thing God?

Using a personal term to define an unpersonal thing?

Absurd

A thing that created everything that was created is not something that can exist.

You have ignored this obvious reality.

You also ignored Christ's personal existence as the I am even before Abraham.

And convoluted God's love for Christ before the foundation of the earth

and completely ignored Christ's existence in the form of God

Do you also believe God is but a thing?

Your arguments are nothing but errors built upon errors

 

[FreeInChrist]

Um

Ephesians 1:4–5 (NASB95) — 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,

First

Ephesians 1:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This speaks of a future predestination


Second There was no mention of predestination in the verse quoted

John 17:24Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.


Um you ignore the fact he existed in the form of God

Was God a thing?

The fact he existed in the form of God totally refutes your claim he was but a thing



Um Christ is clearly glorified

Rev 5:12–13saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.” And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”

Phil 2:9–11For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Col 1:15–20He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.





Um he used the son to create all things

John 1:1–3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Heb 1:1–2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

remember the verses were additional proof of your error in calling Christ a thing





Afraid not. You are trying to make a noun an adjective which was shown faulty by Greek lexical expertease.

Further multiple lines of proof disproved your thing claim





Um

John 1:1 (NA27) — 1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

translation

And God was the word





Hardly

1 John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THAT which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

John speaking of that which they heard, saw with their eyes and looked upon clearly is not speaking of an impewrsonal thing


You are far off here





Here you assume the word of God is Christ here but there is no evidence of this at all




No mention of Christ here

Sorry but you are far off base. Nowhere in anything you refered to was there evidence of an unpersonal thing.
Further John did state the word was God

Was John calling an unpersonal thing God?

Using a personal term to define an unpersonal thing?

Absurd

A thing that created everything that was created is not something that can exist.

You have ignored this obvious reality.

You also ignored Christ's personal existence as the I am even before Abraham.

And convoluted God's love for Christ before the foundation of the earth

and completely ignored Christ's existence in the form of God

Do you also believe God is but a thing?

Your arguments are nothing but errors built upon errors

 

[TomL]

Address this right now and stop running away.

1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word of life eternal life. So it's a thing. Also, the Word is called a that, which, this, what and an it, not a he, him, who, etc. John spoke of the word as an immaterial thing. That isn't going anywhere so cease your arguments trying to change what the Bible says. The buck stops here, you can't gaslight me into changing my mind about it.

Um this was already addressed when I noted

You did not address this

Sorry but you are repeating an absurdity for which you failed to address the rebuttal below


1 John 1:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

It concerns the person Jesus who was heard and seen and touched

Are you going to claim they did not see and hear a person?

You did not answer

That they had fellowship with a thing that was not personal?

You did not answer

The person spoken of throughout the New Testament really did not personally exist?

As I stated previously and you have not addressed Your claim is absurd - totally

Now your silly claim was addressed here

"calls the Word of life eternal life means christ is a thing"

.1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Who is the true God here?

You did not answer

Why?

The one you believe?

According to your logic, he must be a thing because he is called eternal life.

And if you deny it is God the Father, then Jesus is the true God

Either way, your argument stands refuted.

So where have you addressed the above which addressed your argument?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

believing in another jesus is the same category as believing in another gospel- neither one will save anyone from their sins.

its vital to ones eternity to get both of them right.

a human jesus without being Divine cannot redeem anyone.

Psalm 49:7
No one can by any means redeem another Or give God a ransom for him

TOTAL TRUTH my friend .
And now a word .
GET ANYONE and everyone you know OUT of them churches
that are preaching finding common ground ecumenical interfaith .
CIVIC the longer they have stayed the more they now beleive the lie .
MANY more soon will . Get them out . Get them all out , or at least who you can .
And we need to step it up with warnings and reminders ourselves . I NEVER seen a delusion like this one
and worse it came FROM WITHIN even christendom . the lie of un beleif is being embraced as though tis love .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Peter and I both believe Jesus is the one whom God made both Lord and Christ, just like the Bible says. So your rant doesn't apply to us.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

How about you. Do you believe Jesus was made (made, manufactured, constructed) Lord and Christ?

JESUS was not made .
JESUS was not created .
Rather THROUGH HIM were all THINGS MADE and CREATED that are .
Now this is a solid fact . GOD is HIS WORD .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

To the trenches one and all . There is a solid reason why
the diety of Christ is under attack .
IT was and is to MERGE THE RELGOINS as one .
But rather odd it came from THE VERY RCC who actually once taught the diety of Christ
THOUGH they too taught many blasphemies contrary to HIM .
Guess a broke clock is right twice a day . BUT DONT GO RUNNING TO THAT BROKE CLOCK .

 

[Runningman]

Um this was already addressed when I noted

You did not address this

Sorry but you are repeating an absurdity for which you failed to address the rebuttal below


1 John 1:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

It concerns the person Jesus who was heard and seen and touched

Are you going to claim they did not see and hear a person?

You did not answer

That they had fellowship with a thing that was not personal?

You did not answer

The person spoken of throughout the New Testament really did not personally exist?

As I stated previously and you have not addressed Your claim is absurd - totally

Now your silly claim was addressed here

"calls the Word of life eternal life means christ is a thing"

.1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Who is the true God here?

You did not answer

Why?

The one you believe?

According to your logic, he must be a thing because he is called eternal life.

And if you deny it is God the Father, then Jesus is the true God

Either way, your argument stands refuted.

So where have you addressed the above which addressed your argument?

Already addressed it.

I didn't say "calls the Word of life eternal life means christ is a thing" so that is a strawman argument.

So it looks like you're just repeating the same old addressed arguments and making up false accusations at this point. I have you right where I want you. I am just going to keep hounding this for years and years and years and years like I have been already.

So why do you disagree with the Word being a thing as 1 John 1:1-3 explicitly states? Where is your comeback about the Word being something people can taste and handle even though it isn't a physical thing?

 

[Runningman]

JESUS was not made .
JESUS was not created .
Rather THROUGH HIM were all THINGS MADE and CREATED that are .
Now this is a solid fact . GOD is HIS WORD .

Scripture explicitly states Jesus was created.

Revelation 3
14“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

 

[Runningman]

To the trenches one and all . There is a solid reason why
the diety of Christ is under attack .
IT was and is to MERGE THE RELGOINS as one .
But rather odd it came from THE VERY RCC who actually once taught the diety of Christ
THOUGH they too taught many blasphemies contrary to HIM .
Guess a broke clock is right twice a day . BUT DONT GO RUNNING TO THAT BROKE CLOCK .

That's what I have been saying too. The more of you who listen to the truth we are trying to show you the better. Bring your friends, bring your family, bring your entire church to this message board. I have been routinely calling on every trinitarian on this board to come talk about it. Unfortunately, I can't call on everyone of them on the entire planet or I would.

Why do you disagree with the Father being the only true God?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

believing in another jesus is the same category as believing in another gospel- neither one will save anyone from their sins.

its vital to ones eternity to get both of them right.

a human jesus without being Divine cannot redeem anyone.

Psalm 49:7
No one can by any means redeem another Or give God a ransom for him

What the created could not do the CREATOR OF ALL had to do to reconcile man back to HIM .
THERE is only ONE who is without SPOT OR BLEMISH on the inside
And it darn sure is not man . GOD ALONE holds that one . AND GOD IS HIS WORD .
Its kinda odd when folks say CHRIST was created . RATHER it was by HIM all things that were created were created .
NOW WHO DO THAT SOUND LIKE . In the beginning GOD said LET there be LIGHT
and there was light
AND YET as we read in the letters of the apostels , THEY themselves say ALL TH INGS WERE MADE BY HIM and FOR HIM .
GOD IS HIS WORD . that is a fact .
OH i know it can be hard to understand this at first . BUT WHEN A MAN DENIES THE DIETY
of CHRIST , when a man tries to alter the words of truth and say A WORD or a god . I DONT HEED THEIR LIPS .
I KNOW what i have read in that bible and i KNOW by grace IT IS TRUE . understanding cometh in time
TO those whose faith IS IN CHRIST JESUS . but unto all who desire another jesus , YEAH its what they get .
AND worse i see many who follow a jesus who honors sins , WHO even honors all relgoins , UNBELEIF does it preach .
AND THAT MY FRIEND AINT JESUS .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Scripture explicitly states Jesus was created.

Revelation 3
14“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

you misunderstand .
HOW was everything created . GOD SPOKE . WHO IS HIS WORD . JESUS IS .
God did not create JESUS
rather HIS OWN ESSENCE cometh forth of HIM , WHICH IS HIM , WHICH IS HIS WORD
I do understand that this can be harder to grasp at first .
I do .
BUT let no man DENY the diety of Christ .
And let no man who might even claim it EVER FOLLOW another gospel either .
as many now do . cause unbelief IS STILL UNBELEIF and it is NOT FAITH , ITS UNBELEIF .
The one true gospel of one must absolutely BELEIVE ON JESUS to be saved
IS Under attack by many even in wool .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

That's what I have been saying too. The more of you who listen to the truth we are trying to show you the better. Bring your friends, bring your family, bring your entire church to this message board. I have been routinely calling on every trinitarian on this board to come talk about it. Unfortunately, I can't call on everyone of them on the entire planet or I would.

Why do you disagree with the Father being the only true God?

Why would one call GOD a liar . that is a question we need to pray about .
If one calls JESUS a liar , beleive me they do call GOD a liar .
Just keep that in mind .

 

[Runningman]

Why would one call GOD a liar . that is a question we need to pray about .
If one calls JESUS a liar , beleive me they do call GOD a liar .
Just keep that in mind .

God isn't a liar. I hope you don't think He is. Yes, please pray to the Father in Jesus name.

 

[Runningman]

you misunderstand .
HOW was everything created . GOD SPOKE . WHO IS HIS WORD . JESUS IS .
God did not create JESUS
rather HIS OWN ESSENCE cometh forth of HIM , WHICH IS HIM , WHICH IS HIS WORD
I do understand that this can be harder to grasp at first .
I do .
BUT let no man DENY the diety of Christ .
And let no man who might even claim it EVER FOLLOW another gospel either .
as many now do . cause unbelief IS STILL UNBELEIF and it is NOT FAITH , ITS UNBELEIF .
The one true gospel of one must absolutely BELEIVE ON JESUS to be saved
IS Under attack by many even in wool .

Well, Revelation 3:14 is still there. I didn't write it. There is also John 1:3,14 talking about all things be made and then the Word was made flesh. Colossians 1:15 too. Jesus being created and his Christhood and Lordship being things that were made are foundational to Christianity. There is also the fact that Jesus is a human. Humans are created aren't they or no?