Yes, Calvinists—free will IS in the Bible.

[FreeInChrist]

@TomL @civic @FreeInChrist @Grace ambassador

1st John 3:23​

“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.”

This teaching goes against Jesus Christ, and his apostles teachings, such folks are fallen from grace, or the doctrine of pure grace.

And now we see that when a verse does not fit into your belief system, you simply discount it.

That smacks of taking away from the bible, doesn't it?

 

[TomL]

Acts 2:38
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”

The word for is not in order to obtain, (as many desire to make it to mean, in order to support their bias agenda) but the sense is "because of"....Peter knew that God had quickened them to life because of what he saw in their desire to do whatever it took to please God, so he told them to repent and be baptized, and they too would receive the knowledge of the same gift that they (apostle and others with them) were showing forth by speaking in other tongues.

First let us note the reception of the Spirit

Those who believe receive the Spirit which in itself is the refutation of the theology you are expounding.

Next, let us look at your interpretation.

We are to believe men are to repent and be baptized after that is because they have already been forgiven?

While scripture shows

Acts 3:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out,

1 John 1:9 (LEB) — 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, so that he will forgive us our sins and will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Luke 13:3 (LEB) — 3 No, I tell you, but unless you repent you will all perish as well!

 

[civic]

Believing on the name of Jesus and loving one another goes against Christ?????????????

John 6:29 (LEB) — 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God: that you believe in the one whom that one sent.”

John 3:16 (LEB) — 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Jn 13:34 | “A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another—just as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
1 Jn 3:11 | For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning: that we should love one another,



One cannot be justified by law but by faith

Rom 5:1Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Gal 2:16but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

And no one believes man without Christ being in them is capable of living beyond his old nature

2 Cor 5:17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come.
Gal 2:20and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me, and that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Rom 6:6–7knowing this, that our old man was crucified together with him, in order that the body of sin may be done away with, that we may no longer be enslaved to sin. For the one who has died has been freed from sin.
Eph 4:22–24that you take off, according to your former way of life, the old man, who is being destroyed according to deceitful desires, be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new man (in accordance with God), who is created in righteousness and holiness from the truth.



You are arguing based upon a previous misunderstanding.

Faith is not a work of the law.

Time and time again scripture contradicts the two.





Scripture

John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10
that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 11:25–26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

1 Cor 15:1–2
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14
in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

shows faith precedes salvation (eternal life)


You are arguing based on theology

Scripture shows he can

Deuteronomy 30:11–19 (LEB) — 11 “For this commandment that I am commanding you today is not too wonderful for you, and it is not too far from you. 12 It is not in the heavens so that you might say, ‘Who will go up for us to the heavens and get it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 13 And it is not beyond the sea, so that you might say, ‘Who will cross for us to the other side of the sea and take it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, even in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may do it. 15 “See, I am setting before you today life and prosperity and death and disaster; 16 what I am commanding you today is to love Yahweh your God by going in his ways and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his regulations, and then you will live, and you will become numerous, and Yahweh your God will bless you in the land where you are going. 17 However, if your heart turns aside and you do not listen and you are lured away and you bow down to other gods and you serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you will certainly perish; you will not extend your time on the land that you are crossing the Jordan to go there to take possession of it. 19 I invoke as a witness against you today the heaven and the earth: life and death I have set before you, blessing and curse. So choose life, so that you may live, you and your offspring,

Romans 10:8–13 (LEB) — 8 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim), 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.

yes his arguments were just a big pile of STRAWMEN

 

[civic]

And now we see that when a verse does not fit into your belief system, you simply discount it.

That smacks of taking away from the bible, doesn't it?

ditto

 

[Red Baker]

@TomL

Faith is not a work of the law.

Tom, you are going against Christ by saying what you are saying, if you can live with that, I'm not going to even try to change your mind, have a nice life.

Matthew 23:23
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

 

[TomL]

@TomL

Tom, you are going against Christ by saying what you are saying, if you can live with that, I'm not going to even try to change your mind, have a nice life.

Matthew 23:23
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

Did you not see what I posted previously?

Faith is not a work of the law

For example from above.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LEB) — 5 Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Additionally

Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Romans 3:27 (LEB) — 27 Therefore, where is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 4:5 (LEB) — 5 But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

Romans 9:32 (LEB) — 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble,

As for your verse

Matthew 23:23 (LEB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees—hypocrites!—because you pay a tenth of mint and dill and cumin, and neglect the more important matters of the law—justice and mercy and faithfulness! It was necessary to do these things while not neglecting those.

faithfulness to the law is a very important matter if one is trying to earn righteousness

It is not good exegesis to overlook multiple verses and override them by a single verse that is better understood by its consistency with the rest of scripture.

Matthew 23:23 (NASB95) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

Matthew 23:23 (LEB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees—hypocrites!—because you pay a tenth of mint and dill and cumin, and neglect the more important matters of the law—justice and mercy and faithfulness! It was necessary to do these things while not neglecting those.

Matthew 23:23 (UASV) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things.

Matthew 23:23 (NIV) — 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 23:23 (ESV) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

Matthew 23:23 (LSB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

 

[Grace ambassador]

Precious friends, I just LOVE a good Bible study, don't you all?:
My "free will" is to choose between "Things That Differ!", eh? So:

I have decided to follow Jesus?​

Amen.

 

[civic]

@TomL

Tom, you are going against Christ by saying what you are saying, if you can live with that, I'm not going to even try to change your mind, have a nice life.

Matthew 23:23
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

Projecting again

 

[TomL]

Projecting again

Matthew 23:23 again?

To Red Baker I posted

Did you not see what I posted previously?

Faith is not a work of the law

For example from above.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LEB) — 5 Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Additionally

Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Romans 3:27 (LEB) — 27 Therefore, where is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 4:5 (LEB) — 5 But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

Romans 9:32 (LEB) — 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble,

Faith is clearly not a work of the law

As for the verse

Matthew 23:23 (LEB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees—hypocrites!—because you pay a tenth of mint and dill and cumin, and neglect the more important matters of the law—justice and mercy and faithfulness! It was necessary to do these things while not neglecting those.

faithfulness to the law is a very important matter if one is trying to earn righteousness

It is not good exegesis to overlook multiple verses and override them by a single verse that is better understood by its consistency with the rest of scripture.

Matthew 23:23 (NASB95) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

Matthew 23:23 (LEB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees—hypocrites!—because you pay a tenth of mint and dill and cumin, and neglect the more important matters of the law—justice and mercy and faithfulness! It was necessary to do these things while not neglecting those.

Matthew 23:23 (UASV) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things.

Matthew 23:23 (NIV) — 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 23:23 (ESV) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

Matthew 23:23 (LSB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

 

[civic]

Matthew 23:23 again?

To Red Baker I posted

Did you not see what I posted previously?

Faith is not a work of the law

For example from above.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LEB) — 5 Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Additionally

Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Romans 3:27 (LEB) — 27 Therefore, where is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Romans 4:5 (LEB) — 5 But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

Romans 9:32 (LEB) — 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble,

Faith is clearly not a work of the law

As for the verse

Matthew 23:23 (LEB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees—hypocrites!—because you pay a tenth of mint and dill and cumin, and neglect the more important matters of the law—justice and mercy and faithfulness! It was necessary to do these things while not neglecting those.

faithfulness to the law is a very important matter if one is trying to earn righteousness

It is not good exegesis to overlook multiple verses and override them by a single verse that is better understood by its consistency with the rest of scripture.

Matthew 23:23 (NASB95) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

Matthew 23:23 (LEB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees—hypocrites!—because you pay a tenth of mint and dill and cumin, and neglect the more important matters of the law—justice and mercy and faithfulness! It was necessary to do these things while not neglecting those.

Matthew 23:23 (UASV) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things.

Matthew 23:23 (NIV) — 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 23:23 (ESV) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

Matthew 23:23 (LSB) — 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

Agree 100% my comment was towards him in response to your post

 

[TomL]

Agree 100% my comment was towards him in response to your post

Ok I thought maybe he had posted that Matthew 23:23 argument again.