praise_yeshua
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He was. When?
Yes, Calvinists—free will IS in the Bible.
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He was. When?
Amos
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Have it your way
praise_yeshua
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Can't you both "pat each other on the back" privately?
Ultimately, there will inevitably be a doctrinal separation that takes place here. I care about doctrine.
praise_yeshua
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It isn't my way. My way is to walk away.
Amos
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Why? It's ok to say something encouraging to a Brother in Christ.
praise_yeshua
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Did you quote the person who's view you posted? Have you seen me quote someone else? Any of them?
I don't need them Tom. You do. You've changed significantly in the last couple of years.
You know what that indicates? Immaturity.
Tell me where I've changed since you've known me?
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Amos
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ok you win
praise_yeshua
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So tell me Tom. Be honest. How do you feel about what I've said? It doesn't matter if you "bite your tongue" or "keep your cool". How you feel. How you would act if others wouldn't watching. How you claim I'm wrong matters me because it isn't true.
I'd rather have a man curse me to my face than to do what you're doing here. At least I'd know what he was thinking.
People pretend all the time. All the time. They play characters. They pretend to be things they're not. With me, you get exactly who I am. If you want to believe I'm in sin how I've responded to you, then make the charge. Provide the evidence.
You should call Calvinists evil and dishonest. Cowards act like you're acting.
praise_yeshua
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I don't want to win. Just don't see things for any way other than what is real. I know I annoy people. I make them angry. I say things they don't like. The issue that people have with me isn't how I respond. It is necessary to humble people. It is necessary to challenge people to the point they really face their bias.
I don't avoid the Truth with friends.
Treat me however you want. Just don't claim I can't tell who you're choosing in this dispute.
praise_yeshua
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Yeah. Go ahead and post it at 4PM today and pretend you've been posting it all along.
praise_yeshua
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I've said all I'm going to say. I'll not do what is being done to me.
Go ahead and repeat over and over all the arguments of thousands of years pasts like good traditionalists. See where that gets you.
I mean could not waste your time and just read. Copy. Paste.....
Oh. Sorry. I think that is what happening over and over again. Nothing does anywhere. Just same ole same ole.
Go ahead and repeat over and over all the arguments of thousands of years pasts like good traditionalists. See where that gets you.
I mean could not waste your time and just read. Copy. Paste.....
Oh. Sorry. I think that is what happening over and over again. Nothing does anywhere. Just same ole same ole.
Amos
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All I'm saying is that Tom is not an evil man so I don't think you have to worry about that. But it up to you how you want to deal with things here. I have nothing against you. I don't think you annoy people intentionally.
You say it is necessary to humble people. Have you ever done time? Because that sounds a lot like cellblock mentality.
You want me to tell you that I believe what you posted is not honnest and very disrespectful?
And that, in fact, I clearly believe you wrong.
That you have an understanding contrary to what has been held historically and throughout the various Christian denominations.
I do not believe a Calvinist must be evil or even dishonnest
And I still do not believe you can account for the different types of death and life.
I posted plenty of verses supporting my argument, and demonstrating what has been held historically and interdenominationally can hardly be called immaturity.
And it is a rather disrespectful approach, which speaks of very many people.
Couldn't you have withheld your very disrespectful comments so that there would have been no motivation for such a response?
You would not deny he had a relationship with God would you?
You would not claim him separated from God before any sin would you?
He had such a relationship with God at his creation.
He is showing his comparative insignificance. He was however at the beginning created using dust and at the end of physical life he will be dust
But tell me, do you then believe that is all that remains of humans at their death.
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “Now a certain man was rich, and dressed in purple cloth and fine linen, feasting sumptuously every day. 20 And a certain poor man ⌊named⌋ Lazarus, covered with sores, lay at his gate, 21 and was longing to be filled with what fell from the table of the rich man. But even the dogs came and* licked his sores. 22 Now it happened that the poor man died, and he was carried away by the angels to ⌊Abraham’s side⌋. And the rich man also died and was buried. 23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes as he* was in torment and* saw Abraham from a distance, and Lazarus ⌊at his side⌋. 24 And he called out and* said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he could dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am suffering pain in this flame!’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you received your good things during your life, and Lazarus likewise bad things. But now he is comforted here, but you are suffering pain. 26 And in addition to all these things, a great chasm has been established between us and you, so that those who want to cross over from here to you are not able to do so,* nor can they cross over from there to us.’ 27 So he said, ‘Then I ask you, father, that you send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, so that he could warn them, in order that they also should not come to this place of torment!’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they must listen to them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone rises from the dead.’
W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012), Lk 16:19–31.
What in the world are you talking about?
I have been speaking of this all along.
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