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Romans 10:8-13
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Again above we see its hearing the gospel, believing the message , confessing then calling upon the Lord results in salvation.
It does indeed, but
practical in nature, not in a
regenerate sense...context civic, context! Romans 10:1-3 show us
which Israel Paul gave witness to that
fear and had a holy zeal of God, yet that zeal was not based on
true knowledge of the truth, much like many of these Christians chat rooms debate, where there's christian on both sides debating back and forth, both believes, both fear God, yet
one side without question do not have the truth, but are in error seeking salvation by their own works, and have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God that Jesus Christ secured for God's elect given to him by his Father to redeemed by being their surety before the law of God. Paul was speaking of the elect Israel
within the natural children of Abraham. See Romans 9:6.
Ephesians 1:13
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit
It is faith which is here said to be sealed by the Holy Spirit? If so,
faith goes before the sealing. I answer, there are
two operations of the Spirit in faith, corresponding to the two parts of which faith consists,
as it enlightens, and as it establishes the mind. The commencement of faith
is knowledge: the completion of it is a firm and steady conviction, which admits of no opposing doubt. Both, are the work of the Spirit. No wonder, then, if Paul should declare that the Ephesians, who received by faith the truth of the gospel, (never by any work performed by us, since we live under the system of faith) were confirmed in that faith
by the seal of the Holy Spirit. Running with sound bites and not seriously consider the sense of the speaker, writer, preacher, leads to error.
Acts tells us the same order in 11:18- "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.” Repent precedes life.
You are not being honest with yourself, or, maybe you are just
careless in interpreting the scriptures, which
most likely is the case. Look at Acts 10 where Peter officially opened the door of faith to the Gentiles (
God went before Peter and had already quickened to life Cornelius, which no one can deny based on all the fruits of the Spirit that Cornelius showed forth) at God's bidding. "
Before" Cornelius was baptized he and those with him were given the gift of the Holy Ghost just as they on the day of Pentecost had received! The order in Acts 10 destroyed your gospel of man having any involvement in his salvation
from sin and condemnation, his
practical salvation of believing and repenting and being baptized
into the religion of Jesus Christ, yes, one needs a preacher like Peter to guide them
in this phase of their salvation, which has not one thing to do with being born of the Spirit of God, for that is God sole work
alone, without
any means whatsoever!
Parenthesis is Calvinism false assertion below that God gives faith.
Have you never consider:
Philippians 1:29
“For unto you
it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only
to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;”
Very easy to read, much harder to receive, though it should not be so.
See how scripture is consistent when you do not read your doctrine into it but read it objectively, without bias ?
Those eight scriptures does not
disprove that faith was not a free gift given to them, which
we know that it had to be the case since other scriptures testify that it is so, and also testifies that no natural man can believe until he/she becomes spiritual by the new birth.
1st Corinthians 2:14
“But t
he natural man receiveth
not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
them, because they are
spiritually discerned.”
Powerful scriptures that no man can disagree with, without bringing God wrath down upon them in some form, maybe just allowing them to be more harden that they are already harden, and living under a
strong delusion.
See how scripture is consistent when you do not read your doctrine into it but read it objectively, without bias ?
You must also consider are you reading them without bias agenda? It works both way.
Calvinism has it backwards with life,regeneration, the new birth preceding faith.
I have never labored to put forth Calvinism per se~Calvinism as some problems as well and I have pointed them out more than once over the years, even though I'm connected with them on unconditional election which I make no apology for, also connected with them on limited atonement, which again I make no apology for. But Armenianism is a lie from start to finished.
conclusion: as we read in these SALVIFIC passages there is a consistent order.
1- hearing the word, the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- receiving the gospel
4- calling upon the Lord
5- confessing Jesus is Lord
6- resulting in the new birth, born of God, salvation, eternal life
Would you set up a debate with me on John 3:1-8, just you and me. That chapter should settle these points for us and for others as well. John 3 is where our Lord Jesus dealt width the subject of the new birth, so the chapter is essential for us to understand, if we desire to under the new birth as taught by Jesus Christ himself~and before God I have given myself over to know exactly what John 3:1-8 teaches, miss it here, and you have it wrong. If you like I'll start it today and you come there and let's talk about this chapter.