World = US = John 3:16

[TomL]

The world Christ died for isnt condemned, not ever, the world He didn't die for is condemn, ethnicity isn't even a factor

Still ignoring scripture

Christ died for all


Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


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[TomL]

They were never under wrath, and Eph 2:3 doesnt say they were under Gods wrath.

T

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Feb 26, 2025

Being children of wrath just describes their nature as sinners, yet they arent condemned, in fact theyre seated in heavenly places in Christ before they believe Eph 2:5-6

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Nope children of wrath are inheritors of wrath

Paul continues to discuss the Ephesians’ past way of life in verse 3 where he describes the consequences of their sins which resulted in their alieation from God...

• TomL

footnote

This phrase is a Semitic idiom which can mean either (1) “children characterized by wrath” or (2) “children destined for wrath”

W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012).

 

[brightfame52]

Still ignoring scripture

Christ died for all


Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


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Those verses pertain only to the elect.

 

[TomL]

Those verses pertain only to the elect.

Bald denial

The word elect never appears instead world, all, all men, everyone etc. do

T

Post in thread 'World = US = John 3:16'

Feb 26, 2025

The world Christ died for isnt condemned, not ever, the world He didn't die for is condemn, ethnicity isn't even a factor

Still ignoring scripture

Christ died for all


Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon...

• TomL

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Scripture does not support your theology

 

[brightfame52]

Bald denial

The word elect never appears instead world, all, all men, everyone etc. do

T

Post in thread 'World = US = John 3:16'

Feb 26, 2025

The world Christ died for isnt condemned, not ever, the world He didn't die for is condemn, ethnicity isn't even a factor

Still ignoring scripture

Christ died for all


Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon...

• TomL

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Scripture does not support your theology

Those verses only apply to the elect

 

[TomL]

Those verses only apply to the elect

Sorry

The word elect never appears instead world, all, all men, everyone etc. do

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry

The word elect never appears instead world, all, all men, everyone etc. do

Sorry sir, you are deceived, all those verses pertain to the elect.

 

[Cosmo]

To be saved all God asks is that we give to Him our belief and trust, in Jesus. The elect are not some special group who are first chosen prior to demonstrating any faith in Christ. It is only after a person confesses that Jesus is Lord that he is sealed with the Holy Spirit and designated as God’s own.

That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.
Ephesians 1:13

 

[brightfame52]

To be saved all God asks is that we give to Him our belief and trust, in Jesus. The elect are not some special group who are first chosen prior to demonstrating any faith in Christ. It is only after a person confesses that Jesus is Lord that he is sealed with the Holy Spirit and designated as God’s own.

That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise.
Ephesians 1:13

False comments

 

[civic]

Bald denial

The word elect never appears instead world, all, all men, everyone etc. do

T

Post in thread 'World = US = John 3:16'

Feb 26, 2025

The world Christ died for isnt condemned, not ever, the world He didn't die for is condemn, ethnicity isn't even a factor

Still ignoring scripture

Christ died for all


Christ died list

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon...

• TomL

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Scripture does not support your theology

Ditto

 

[civic]

False comments

Projecting

 

[TomL]

Ditto

He simply reads his theology into scripture instead of reading out from scripture what it actually states

 

[TomL]

Sorry sir, you are deceived, all those verses pertain to the elect.

Sorry but the word elect does not appear

You are not reading scripture

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but the word elect does not appear

You are not reading scripture

The word elect dont have to appear in those verses, its still the elect.

 

[Cosmo]

Calvinists believe that the reason why God created all living beings was for the purpose of making a demonstration of His various attributes, and in so doing, had eternally decided to create an Upper Caste of men and angels for the express purpose of demonstrating His loving attributes, while also creating a corresponding Lower Caste of men and angels to embody His attributes of hate, wrath an eternal condemnation.

The Upper Caste is denoted by Calvinists as “the elect,” which I often clarify as the “Calvinistically elect,” since I do not believe that it accurately represents the biblical teaching of who God’s elect really are. Jesus is the Elect One, and His body, the Church, is “elect” insomuch that it is an extension of Himself, which is why Christians are referred to as being “in Christ Jesus.”

Examining Calvinism

 

[civic]

Calvinists believe that the reason why God created all living beings was for the purpose of making a demonstration of His various attributes, and in so doing, had eternally decided to create an Upper Caste of men and angels for the express purpose of demonstrating His loving attributes, while also creating a corresponding Lower Caste of men and angels to embody His attributes of hate, wrath an eternal condemnation.

The Upper Caste is denoted by Calvinists as “the elect,” which I often clarify as the “Calvinistically elect,” since I do not believe that it accurately represents the biblical teaching of who God’s elect really are. Jesus is the Elect One, and His body, the Church, is “elect” insomuch that it is an extension of Himself, which is why Christians are referred to as being “in Christ Jesus.”

Examining Calvinism

The thing is before creation there was no hate, wrath and condemnation. These attributes have top do with Gods fallen creation which have to do with creation and nothing to do with Gods Innate character/attributes within His own nature/Being as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is no hate,wrath and condemnation within the Father/Son/Holy Spirit relationship of the Godhead.

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

The word elect dont have to appear in those verses, its still the elect.

Sorry, you are just rejecting the word of God for the word of man.

World, all men, all, every man is not a substitute for the word elect

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry, you are just rejecting the word of God for the word of man.

World, all men, all, every man is not a substitute for the word elect

The word elect is stated enough in the word of God to know thats who Jesus died for, Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinists believe that the reason why God created all living beings was for the purpose of making a demonstration of His various attributes, and in so doing, had eternally decided to create an Upper Caste of men and angels for the express purpose of demonstrating His loving attributes, while also creating a corresponding Lower Caste of men and angels to embody His attributes of hate, wrath an eternal condemnation.

The Upper Caste is denoted by Calvinists as “the elect,” which I often clarify as the “Calvinistically elect,” since I do not believe that it accurately represents the biblical teaching of who God’s elect really are. Jesus is the Elect One, and His body, the Church, is “elect” insomuch that it is an extension of Himself, which is why Christians are referred to as being “in Christ Jesus.”

Examining Calvinism

More opposition to the Gospel of Gods Grace.

 

[TomL]

The word elect is stated enough in the word of God to know thats who Jesus died for, Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Sorry but there is not a single verse in the bible which speaks of men unconditionally elected to salvation.

your theology has made it up.