"Works Salvation"

no. Because unsaved people can do good deeds.. We can not visually tell if a person is saved or not.. we may deduce he may not be saved. but only God knows his heart.

but we can visually see if a person has committed a sin, and died (physically) because of that sin..
I was thinking about you last night and this post and wanted to bring up Romans 7:14-25 again regarding being under the law.

The law IS still valid for the one sinning in order to be judged by it. It is not that the law itself was bad, only weak because of a sinner's flesh. This was the reason for Jesus dying on the cross to defeat the works of Satan. Once Satan was defeated Jesus freed His own from the sin that had been rooted in their nature. Satan only has power over the sin in his own who choose to remain in the dark.
 
I was thinking about you last night and this post and wanted to bring up Romans 7:14-25 again regarding being under the law.

The law IS still valid for the one sinning in order to be judged by it.
if they are saved. they have had the curse of the law removed. and it no longer can hurt them

if they are still lost. then yes. It is still in play for them, lets pray it leads them to christ.
It is not that the law itself was bad, only weak because of a sinner's flesh.
Its weak because it could not save. that was not its purpose. sadly Israel took it out of context. and claimed that was its purpose..

that is why they rejected christ. He told them all their law keeping could not save them. Only through him could they be saved.
This was the reason for Jesus dying on the cross to defeat the works of Satan.
He died to become a curse for us

Paul explains it well here

Gal 3: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Once Satan was defeated Jesus freed His own from the sin that had been rooted in their nature. Satan only has power over the sin in his own who choose to remain in the dark.
he had to free us from the penalty of sin first.

if he just freed us from the ability to sin or the will to sin, we would still be dead. the curse would never be removed.

I am headed out. if you respond I will see it later.. Hope you are blessed
 
Here is the Gospel that was preached on the day of Pentecost.

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38

The only command of the Gospel is repent.
And what is "and let everyone of you be baptized" if not an imperative.
The way we obey the Gospel command to repent is to confess Jesus as Lord.
Repentance and confession are two separate acts entirely.
Here is the order of salvation.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10
What happened to hearing and being baptized in the name of the Lord, Jesus Christ?
 
"Works salvation" is the position that we need to have first done a certain amount of works in order to earn our salvation as the result. God's law was never given as a way of earning our salvation even through perfect obedience, which is why there are many verses that clearly speak against that fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of why we should obey it, such as Romans 4:1-5, Galatians 2:21, and Ephesians 2:8-9. Nevertheless, there are also many verses that make it clear that our salvation still requires us to choose to be doers of the law, such as Romans 2:13 that say that only doers of the law will be justified or Hebrews 5:9, which says that Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. So there must be a reason why our salvation requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, and indeed there are many other reasons that someone could have for choosing to be a doer of the law, such as faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified upholds our need to be a doer of the law (Romans 3:31).

So while Noah's salvation required him to do works, his works were practicing his faith, not done in order to earn it as a wage. In other words, while it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was justified (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was justified was also practiced as obedience to God, but he did not earn his justification as the result of his obedience (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, it quotes Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was justified by his works insofar as they were practicing his faith, but not insofar as they were earning a wage.

In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to have the experience of doing those works is itself the content of His gift of saving us from having the experience of not doing those works. So our works in obedience to God are about God giving the gift of salvation to us, not about us earning a wage from God.

The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to experience driving it as a wage. Similarly, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), not his instructions for how to earn eternal life as a wage. So the goal of the law is to know God and Jesus through experiencing aspects of His nature, such as holiness, righteousness, and goodness, which is eternal life.
Nice explanation
 
I am sorry you have so much disregard for Christ that you think you can do what only he could do on the cross.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

This scripture teaches us how we love God and our neighbor… by keeping His commandments.


Do you desire to obey Him?
 
ah..

So you have done what no other person on earth can possibly do. you know every sin and you have complete knowledge

yeah good luck with that

Walking according to the Spirit is what each of us are called to do.

Otherwise we will practice the works of the flesh.


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16
 
Confessing Jesus as Lord is how we repent.
Confessing and repenting are to separate actions entirely. To confess is to assent to, to agree with, to declare, to profess. To repent is to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc.
 
Confessing and repenting are to separate actions entirely. To confess is to assent to, to agree with, to declare, to profess. To repent is to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc.

Repent means turn to God in submission to Him as Lord.

This is the biblical meaning of the word repent.

This is what the Apostle Paul understood Jesus to mean and what the scriptures record for us.

Words of Christ in red -


So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20


Here is the key phrase from Jesus:

  • in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God

If a person is called to turn to God, then by default they are called to turn away from Stan as their lord.


They way we demonstrate the action of repentance is to confess Jesus Christ as Lord.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
 
Repent means turn to God in submission to Him as Lord.

This is the biblical meaning of the word repent.

This is what the Apostle Paul understood Jesus to mean and what the scriptures record for us.

Words of Christ in red -


So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20


Here is the key phrase from Jesus:

  • in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God

If a person is called to turn to God, then by default they are called to turn away from Stan as their lord.


They way we demonstrate the action of repentance is to confess Jesus Christ as Lord.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
They are two different words in English and in Greek. They do not mean the same thing, no matter how much you want to think they are. The fact that we are called to do both does not make them the same.

I don't even understand why you are trying to make repentance and confession be the same.
 
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