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"Works Salvation"
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mailmandan
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Seeking salvation by works is not obeying Jesus. Works righteousness is self righteousness. (Matthew 7:22-23; Luke 18:9-14) We need imputed righteousness. (Romans 4:5-6) The righteousness of God, which is by faith. (Philippians 3:9)
Eternally-Grateful
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actually yes they do. again, if they did not. they would never sin again.
they have both. paul explains this well in romans 7
no we are cleansed from the power of sin. and given the power over sin
again, if the desire was no longer there. we would never sin again.. I hope even you see this is not true
He did that the moment we were saved.
Now he asks us to continue to learn to trust him more. and self less. this is called christian growth..
Duane
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The Bible tells us that we all fall short.
19Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God. 20Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight; for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.
21But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the law and the prophets; 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, 23for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God sent to be an atoning sacrifice
through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God’s forbearance; 26to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time, that he might himself be just and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus.
27Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Isn’t he the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
31Do we then nullify the law through faith? May it never be! No, we establish the law.
Romans 3:19-31
Doug Brents
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What does it mean to "obey the Gospel"?
It means to do the things that God says "LEAD TO" or "RESULT IN" receiving salvation.
What does Scripture say leads to or results in receiving salvation?
John 3:16 - Belief/Faith in Jesus
Rom 10:9-10 - Confession of Jesus as Lord
2 Cor 7:10 - Repentance
Acts 3:19 - Repentance
Acts 2:38 - Repentance and baptism
Acts 22:16 - Baptism
1 Pet 3:21 - Baptism
Begotten
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Right...I'll jump right on that. NOT
Eternally-Grateful
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the wage of sin is death
is this hard for you to understand?
if you commit a personal sin. the penalty of that sin is death. or literally separation from God.
if we take it from a legal standpoint. not only are we dead because of Adams sin, but every personal sin we have ever committed brings with it a death sentence.
How many sins have you commited. can you fathom? And how many death sentences do you have against you. can you fathom
who is worthy?
I never said we are slaves to sin
I said we still have the flesh, which means there are times where we will still chose to serve self over others.
Jesus said there are two commands, the law of love we call it
Love the lord our God. and our neighbor.
who is our neighbor anyone we come in contract with
if we love and serve them, we will nto sin
if we however. chose to serve self. and not them. to us it is in.
we do this intentionally or willingly.. Not by accident, we also commit sins we may not even know are sin.. here I can see but that is why we star in the word. the more I grow. the more sinfull I see I am
Eternally-Grateful
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I am blessed also.. and it is getting me to think.. which is always Good.. thank you!EG, I'll be back later. This is a great conversation with you - the best we've had so far.
Eternally-Grateful
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amen, for all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory (I call it Gods standard)
amen again
Eternally-Grateful
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repentance leads to faith. If we do not repent. we will never belie3ve, we will continue in unbelief
Now you have added the same mistake the jews made. a mistake that paul had to destroy. you have added a command of God as a means of salvation. in doing so. created a false gospel.
I was baptized by God into Christ (romans 6, 1 cor 12 and gal 5)
I was baptized in water a year after this, and I do not obey just one command, I try to obey them all by serving and loving others and not self
Doug Brents
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Repentance is done in faith, it does not lead to faith.
Many of the passages which state that something must be done to receive salvation (not to earn it, but to receive it) were spoken by Paul. It was he to whom Ananias was speaking in Acts 22:16. It was he who was writing in Rom 6, Col 2, Rom 10, and many other passages. There is no mistake, there are actions which we must take to receive God's gift of salvation; just as the many examples in the OT of God's gifts of healing, protection, etc. required action on the part of the recipient.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs during water baptism (1 Pet 3:21, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, Acts 22:16, etc.). You are not saved by having a thought in your head/heart that does not include the actions God commanded that lead to/result in receiving His gift of salvation. You were saved when you finally submitted to His command to be baptized, and abandoned your rebellion to His commands.
Eternally-Grateful
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repent means to change ones mind
if you have not changed your mind, You will not have faith..
Um no there is on baptism. and its not water..
water baptism does not saved, otherwise every person who ever placed their faith in God from adam until today. who was not able to be baptized in water is lost. and going to hell..
Doug Brents
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Repent is not just changing your mind. It is also, as John the baptizer said, changing your actions (producing actions consistent with repentance (Matt 3:8)).
Acts 8:36, 1 Pet 3:21, John 3:5, the ONE baptism absolutely requires water, and it requires the action of the teacher (Matt 28:19), and the student (Acts 2:38).
This does not impact those prior to Jesus' death. But you are absolutely correct about all those from His death to Judgement: no repentance, confession of Him as Lord, and baptism results in no salvation.
DavidTree
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Everything, except God, has an origin."Works salvation" is a term that gets thown around a lot on forums as this one.
1) What is "works salvation"? How does one define "works salvation" according to the Bible?
2) What is an example from the Bible of "works salvation"?
3) Was Noah's work in building the ark "to the saving of his house" (Heb 11:7) a "works salvation"?
Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint? | GotQuestions.org
Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint? Why do so many people believe that we can be saved by works?www.gotquestions.org
Is the above link correct in saying that "works salvation" is man trying to control his own eternal destiny? Is it true that man has no control, no role at all in his own eternal destiny? Did Noah have no control, no role at all in the saving of his house?
Works have an origin and that origin is the source.
Where you derive works from decides your salvation or your eternal separation from God.
this is Pure and Undefiled TRUTH = from the Mouth of God = the Gospel
Eternally-Grateful
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No
John demanded proof of repentance.
Either way, if one repents. there will be actions.
but its nt actions that save us, it is Gods grace.
your trying to earn your salvation. good luck
DavidTree
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AGREE
SEE Post 2135
Doug Brents
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Never said it was our actions that save us. Certainly salvation is God's grace (gift), but that gift is received ONLY through the actions that God says we must do to receive it.
Not trying to earn anything.
Was Naaman trying to earn cleansing by doing what the prophet told him God told him to do?
Were the Israelites trying to earn healing when they looked at the bronze serpent Moses put on the pole?
Was the widow trying to earn food when she gave here last meal to the prophet?
Was the other widow trying to earn anything when she borrowed the jars the prophet told her to borrow to pour oil into?
Was Israel trying to earn the Promised Land when they went to war with the nations in it?
Were they trying to earn Jericho by marching around it like they were told?
No, none of this was done to "earn" anything. But if these actions had not been taken, the gift would never have been received.
Faith, i.e., believing in God, in Jesus Christ, in the gospel is something we do in order to receive what was made available to us by what Jesus did.
DavidTree
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easy now
