Eternally-Grateful
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thank you!!!
"Works Salvation"
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Eternally-Grateful
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pistis means to have assurance, to have confidence. to be assured. not based on lack of proof. but based in evidentiary proof.
who or what do we trust?
God
or self
DavidTree
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The work of God......................that's IT = the work of God
Eternally-Grateful
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I am reminded of the tax collector. and How jesus said he went home justified. not the pharisee
Doug Brents
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Is it trusting God or self to do the seemingly asinine action of being immersed in water to cure leprosy?
Is it trusting God or self to do the seemingly asinine action of marching around a city to make its walls fall down?
Is it trusting God or self to do the seemingly asinine action of giving your last meal to a man who says that if you do you won't starve?
Is it trusting God or self to do the seemingly asinine action of being immersed in water to receive forgiveness of sin?
Is it trusting God or self to reinterpret Scripture to say that all we have to do is have a thought in our heart, and then no matter what we do we are saved and cannot lose that gift?
We will see. The thing is we are all adults here and shouldn't need a Mod to tell us how to behave.
Eternally-Grateful
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charismaticlady
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Romans 6. 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
But I don't, so I know it is possible to not have any desire to sin against the commandments of God. As I said, that was not true for the first 30 years of my life, but I came to an epiphany. Repentance is not us turning away from sin in our own power. We are not strong enough to succeed because of the strong pull from the sin in our nature. Repentance is giving up trying, and turning our sin over to Jesus to take away the desire out of our nature and making us a new creature. And He did. EG, it was so supernatural I literally felt the heavy darkness of sin lift out of me and made me feel light as a feather, and I was free. And in its place was the divine nature of God. Every moment of every day no matter what I am doing, I'm thinking the thoughts God puts in my mind. It is true He gives us the mind of Christ. 1 Cor. 2:16
EG, my friend you must read Romans 7 in context with Romans 8, and also with the truth that verses 1-6 is us after being freed from the law and "the flesh" described in 14 through 25 that was us IN the Law and still in the flesh, because we still sinned. When Paul was a Pharisee he was keeping the law in his mind, but his nature pulled in the other direction. Jesus stopped that roller-coaster ride of the devil by removing the carnality of sin from our nature. Read what is happening in the sentences, not the present tense misinterpreted by our "western" mindset. The apostles were eastern, not western so read each sentence as ask yourself is this before or after being cleansed of all unrighteousness and being filled with the Holy Spirit.
I haven't read your whole response, but would like you to read this bit first. I shouldn't have written such a long post. Sorry!
GodsGrace
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Hi Titus
Just got home and saw this....
I don't know why you're telling me this.
Did I mention something to you??
GodsGrace
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Right.
So when we say that Jesus taught us to have a specific behavior...
and we do it....
that is obedience to God.
So are we required to obey God
or is FAITH ONLY sufficient to please God?
Faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
Denying ungodliness because we have salvation
GodsGrace
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Titus
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I mentioned awhile ago that Seabass has the best teaching on here.
He is sound.
Good to hear from you again.
Titus
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Paul taught we are saved by an obedient faith,
Romans 1:5 ; Romans 16:26 ; Romans 15:18
- by whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for his name
- but now is made manifest and by the Scriptures of the prophets according to the commandment of the everlasting God made known to all nations for obedience of faith
- for I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath wrought by me to make the gentiles obedient by word and deed(works)
Paul, taught faith without obedient works was profitless.
Galatians 5:6,
- for in Jesus Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision profiteth anything but faith which worketh by love
We know Jesus' word defines love of God as working His commandments.
John 14:21,
- He that hath My commandments and keepeth them he it s that loveth Me and he that loveth Me shall be loved by My Father and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him
Romans 1:5 ; Romans 16:26 ; Romans 15:18
- by whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for his name
- but now is made manifest and by the Scriptures of the prophets according to the commandment of the everlasting God made known to all nations for obedience of faith
- for I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath wrought by me to make the gentiles obedient by word and deed(works)
Paul, taught faith without obedient works was profitless.
Galatians 5:6,
- for in Jesus Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision profiteth anything but faith which worketh by love
We know Jesus' word defines love of God as working His commandments.
John 14:21,
- He that hath My commandments and keepeth them he it s that loveth Me and he that loveth Me shall be loved by My Father and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him
Already been answered.
charismaticlady
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Then how can He guide our conscience if He is quenched. Quenching the Holy Spirit is apostasy. No, He is our identity now. If we are in control, then we are not born again of the Spirit.
EG, there is a huge difference between our flesh and who we are when born again of the Spirit. Just belief in Jesus as our Savior is not enough. We must be baptized with the Holy Spirit. The crucifixion is once. Sin in our nature is killed. We are resurrected righteous.
