Why The Triune GodHead Is Correct!

[Larry]

To all,
Let's put the trinity to test.
#1. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Here God is a Plurality, 101G agree, but but a Plurality "HOW?" that's the million dollar question. is God a Plurality in Person, (who is separate and distinct from each other), or is God a Plurality of HIMSELF, as the "EQUAL SHARE of HIMFELF".

101G say the latter, a "EQUAL SHARE of HIMFELF". Knowing this, it answers and eliminates any trinity.

101G.

Not even close and no cigar. Oneness theology incorrectly asserts the correct understanding of the Trinity.

 

[101G]

That is only your opinion. I like this Bible verse found In Isaiah 9:6, the prophet, referring to the one who was to come, wrote,

“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

Here is an identification of the coming messiah as “mighty God.”

and as EVERLASTING "Father".
Greeting, so this is the Father here?

101G.

 

[101G]

Not even close and no cigar. Oneness theology incorrectly asserts the correct understanding of the Trinity.

101G is not Oneness as the UPIC teaches and a few other.... no 101G is "Diversified Oneness"
and "Diversified Oneness" is what the bible teach. this is the Plurality of God as ONE PERSON, the Ordinal designation in the EQUAL SHARE of himself, (who is Spirit), manifested in flesh.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all trinitarians,
101G challenge all trinitarians on the plurality of God . three separate and distinct persons vs one person equally shared. pick your best verse that support your belief, and diversified oneness will reprove it.

101G.

 

[Aaron]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, Colossians 2:9

We can make a distinction between the three persons of the Trinity, because each member of the Godhead has unique attributes. We say the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, but we don’t say that the Father is the Son, the Son is the Holy Spirit, or the Holy Spirit is the Father. There are distinctions between them, but the distinctions are not essential, not of the essence. They are real, but they do not disturb the essence of deity. The distinctions within the Godhead are, if you will, sub-distinctions within the essence of God. He is one essence, three subsistences. That is about as close as we can get to articulating the historic doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[101G]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, Colossians 2:9

We can make a distinction between the three persons of the Trinity, because each member of the Godhead has unique attributes. We say the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, but we don’t say that the Father is the Son, the Son is the Holy Spirit, or the Holy Spirit is the Father. There are distinctions between them, but the distinctions are not essential, not of the essence. They are real, but they do not disturb the essence of deity. The distinctions within the Godhead are, if you will, sub-distinctions within the essence of God. He is one essence, three subsistences. That is about as close as we can get to articulating the historic doctrine of the Trinity.

Greeting brother,
scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
101G ask, is not the conceiver of a child the "Father?" yes or no.

101G.

 

[Hosanna]

Greeting brother,
scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
101G ask, is not the conceiver of a child the "Father?" yes or no.

101G.

His ways are higher than our ways.

Who is the Angel of the Lord?

In various passages, the angel of the Lord speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and exercises the responsibilities of God. In several of these appearances, those who saw the angel of the Lord feared for their lives because they had “seen God” (Judges 13:22; cf. Judges 6:22). Therefore, we can say that, in at least some instances, the angel of the Lord is a theophany, an appearance of God in physical form. GOT?

It is possible that appearances of the angel of the Lord represent the Son of God taking on temporary human form—a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it makes sense that He would be active and could manifest in the world. Whatever the case, whether the angel of the Lord was a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ (a Christophany) or an appearance of God the Father (a theophany), it is likely that “the angel of the Lord” was, in most cases, a physical appearance of God.

 

[Hosanna]

But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.
John 2:24-25

 

[101G]

His ways are higher than our ways.

Who is the Angel of the Lord?

In various passages, the angel of the Lord speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and exercises the responsibilities of God. In several of these appearances, those who saw the angel of the Lord feared for their lives because they had “seen God” (Judges 13:22; cf. Judges 6:22). Therefore, we can say that, in at least some instances, the angel of the Lord is a theophany, an appearance of God in physical form. GOT?

It is possible that appearances of the angel of the Lord represent the Son of God taking on temporary human form—a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it makes sense that He would be active and could manifest in the world. Whatever the case, whether the angel of the Lord was a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ (a Christophany) or an appearance of God the Father (a theophany), it is likely that “the angel of the Lord” was, in most cases, a physical appearance of God.

Thanks for the reply, but 101G asked was the Holy Spirit the conceiver of the Child in Mary's womb yes or no?

Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

your response please.

101G.

 

[101G]

It is possible that appearances of the angel of the Lord represent the Son of God taking on temporary human form—a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it makes sense that He would be active and could manifest in the world. Whatever the case, whether the angel of the Lord was a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ (a Christophany) or an appearance of God the Father (a theophany), it is likely that “the angel of the Lord” was, in most cases, a physical appearance of God.

How is that so? when he God in flesh as the Son of God say that the Christ, the Son of God will appear in the Latter days, supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you," so anytime before the Christ coming is not the Son of God.

101G

 

[AaronH]

THE TRINITY CLEARLY AFFIRMED

The clearest reference to Jesus’ deity in the New Testament comes at the opening of John’s gospel. It reads, “In the beginning was the Word [that is, the Logos], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (1:1). In that first sentence, we see the mystery of the Trinity, because the Logos is said to have been with God from the beginning. There are different terms in the Greek language that can be translated by the English word with, but the word that is used here suggests the closest possible relationship, virtually a face-to-face relationship. Nevertheless, John makes a distinction between the Logos and God. God and the Logos are together, but they are not the same.

Then John declares that the Logos not only was with God, He was God. So in one sense, the Word must be distinguished from God, and in another sense, the Word must be identified with God.

The apostle says more. He adds: “He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men” (vv. 2–4). Here we see eternality, creative power, and self-existence attributed to the Logos, who is Jesus.

The New Testament also states that the Holy Spirit is divine. We see this, for instance, in Jesus’ triune formula for baptism. By the command of Christ, people are to be baptized in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). Likewise, Paul’s closing benediction in his second letter to the Corinthians reads, “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (13:13). The apostles also speak of the Father, Son, and Spirit cooperating to redeem a people for Themselves (2 Thess. 2:13–14; 1 Peter 1:2).

In these and many other passages in the New Testament, the deity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is set forth explicitly or implicitly. When considered together with the Bible’s clear teaching as to the oneness of God, the only conclusion is that there is one God in three persons—the doctrine of the Trinity.


R. C. Sproul, What Is the Trinity?

I agree it's the clearest reference to Christ's deity. In fact I'd say it's the only one that seems to come right out and say it. But even this passage is a bit circuitous, you have to admit.

With all the passages that strongly appear to preclude Jesus being God himself, I still lean unitarian, based on the total weight of the passages taken together.