Who is Jesus?

[TomL]

They simplified things to be understood better. Most used the KJV--thee, thou and the such

Sorry this was corruption not simplification

You failed to deal with the corruption of your NWT

So why are you not able to justify the corruption of the Greek text your bible employs

Here is how the Watchtower corrupts scripture

Col 1:16
because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him. 17  Also, he is before all other things,+ and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 

They added the word other four times. It does not exist in the greek text of their kingdom interlinear

ὅτι becauseἐν inαὐτῷ himἐκτίσθη it was createdτὰ theπάντα all (things)ἐν inτοῖς theοὐρανοῖς heavensκαὶ andἐπὶ uponτῆς theγῆς, earth,τὰ the (things)ὁρατὰ visibleκαὶ andτὰ the (things)ἀόρατα, invisible,εἴτε whetherθρόνοι thronesεἴτε orκυριότητες lordshipsεἴτε orἀρχαὶ governmentsεἴτε orἐξουσίαι· authorities;τὰ theπάντα all (things)δι’ throughαὐτοῦ himκαὶ andεἰς intoαὐτὸν himἔκτισται· it has been created; 17 καὶ andαὐτὸς heἔστιν isπρὸ beforeπάντων all (things)καὶ andτὰ theπάντα all (things)ἐν inαὐτῷ himσυνέστηκεν,

and here

They kept on investigating what particular time or what season the spirit within them was indicating concerning Christ+ as it testified beforehand about the sufferings meant for Christ+ and about the glory that would follow. 12 

they removed Christ from the Spirit of Christ as their Greek interlinear shows

searchingεἰς intoτίνα whatἢ orποῖον what sort ofκαιρὸν appointed timeἐδήλου was making evidentτὸ theἐν inαὐτοῖς themπνεῦμα spiritΧριστοῦ of Christπρομαρτυρόμενον witnessing beforehand aboutτὰ theεἰς intoΧριστὸν Christπαθήματα sufferingsκαὶ andτὰς theμετὰ afterταῦτα these (things)δόξας·

and here

Now there is no mediator when just one person is involved, but God is only one.

They add person which does not appear in the Greek text

δὲ (but)μεσίτης (mediator)ἑνὸς (of one)οὐκ (not)(he is,)ὁ (the)δὲ (but)θεὸς (God)εἷς (one)ἐστίν.

you address nothing

 

[TomL]

I quote what is truth. All the false religions have some truth.

You presented no evidence to support your claim

You are simply an echo of the watchtower society

 

[Keiw1]

Jesus never spoke of the Watchtower society. They simply assumed that position for themselves and then went about making a corrupt translation to support their doctrine

God will show us all.

 

[Keiw1]

Sorry this was corruption not simplification

You failed to deal with the corruption of your NWT

So why are you not able to justify the corruption of the Greek text your bible employs

Here is how the Watchtower corrupts scripture

Col 1:16
because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him. 17  Also, he is before all other things,+ and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 

They added the word other four times. It does not exist in the greek text of their kingdom interlinear

ὅτι becauseἐν inαὐτῷ himἐκτίσθη it was createdτὰ theπάντα all (things)ἐν inτοῖς theοὐρανοῖς heavensκαὶ andἐπὶ uponτῆς theγῆς, earth,τὰ the (things)ὁρατὰ visibleκαὶ andτὰ the (things)ἀόρατα, invisible,εἴτε whetherθρόνοι thronesεἴτε orκυριότητες lordshipsεἴτε orἀρχαὶ governmentsεἴτε orἐξουσίαι· authorities;τὰ theπάντα all (things)δι’ throughαὐτοῦ himκαὶ andεἰς intoαὐτὸν himἔκτισται· it has been created; 17 καὶ andαὐτὸς heἔστιν isπρὸ beforeπάντων all (things)καὶ andτὰ theπάντα all (things)ἐν inαὐτῷ himσυνέστηκεν,

and here

They kept on investigating what particular time or what season the spirit within them was indicating concerning Christ+ as it testified beforehand about the sufferings meant for Christ+ and about the glory that would follow. 12 

they removed Christ from the Spirit of Christ as their Greek interlinear shows

searchingεἰς intoτίνα whatἢ orποῖον what sort ofκαιρὸν appointed timeἐδήλου was making evidentτὸ theἐν inαὐτοῖς themπνεῦμα spiritΧριστοῦ of Christπρομαρτυρόμενον witnessing beforehand aboutτὰ theεἰς intoΧριστὸν Christπαθήματα sufferingsκαὶ andτὰς theμετὰ afterταῦτα these (things)δόξας·

and here

Now there is no mediator when just one person is involved, but God is only one.

They add person which does not appear in the Greek text

δὲ (but)μεσίτης (mediator)ἑνὸς (of one)οὐκ (not)(he is,)ὁ (the)δὲ (but)θεὸς (God)εἷς (one)ἐστίν.

you address nothing

God will show us all.

 

[TomL]

God will show us all.

Looks rather you rather hear from the Watchtower society and ignore God

Col 1:16
because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him. 17  Also, he is before all other things,+ and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 

They added the word other four times. It does not exist in the greek text of their kingdom interlinear

ὅτι becauseἐν inαὐτῷ himἐκτίσθη it was createdτὰ theπάντα all (things)ἐν inτοῖς theοὐρανοῖς heavensκαὶ andἐπὶ uponτῆς theγῆς, earth,τὰ the (things)ὁρατὰ visibleκαὶ andτὰ the (things)ἀόρατα, invisible,εἴτε whetherθρόνοι thronesεἴτε orκυριότητες lordshipsεἴτε orἀρχαὶ governmentsεἴτε orἐξουσίαι· authorities;τὰ theπάντα all (things)δι’ throughαὐτοῦ himκαὶ andεἰς intoαὐτὸν himἔκτισται· it has been created; 17 καὶ andαὐτὸς heἔστιν isπρὸ beforeπάντων all (things)καὶ andτὰ theπάντα all (things)ἐν inαὐτῷ himσυνέστηκεν,

and here

They kept on investigating what particular time or what season the spirit within them was indicating concerning Christ+ as it testified beforehand about the sufferings meant for Christ+ and about the glory that would follow. 12 

they removed Christ from the Spirit of Christ as their Greek interlinear shows

searchingεἰς intoτίνα whatἢ orποῖον what sort ofκαιρὸν appointed timeἐδήλου was making evidentτὸ theἐν inαὐτοῖς themπνεῦμα spiritΧριστοῦ of Christπρομαρτυρόμενον witnessing beforehand aboutτὰ theεἰς intoΧριστὸν Christπαθήματα sufferingsκαὶ andτὰς theμετὰ afterταῦτα these (things)δόξας·

and here

Now there is no mediator when just one person is involved, but God is only one.

They add person which does not appear in the Greek text

δὲ (but)μεσίτης (mediator)ἑνὸς (of one)οὐκ (not)(he is,)ὁ (the)δὲ (but)θεὸς (God)εἷς (one)ἐστίν.

you address nothing

 

[TomL]

God will show us all.

Except the watchtower society is not listening, and you have surrendered your understanding to it

 

[101G]

You presented no evidence to support your claim

Greeting,
are you a one person God believer, or a three person God believer? 101G have forgotten your doctrine.

101G

 

[civic]

Greeting,
are you a one person God believer, or a three person God believer? 101G have forgotten your doctrine.

101G

He is a Trinitarian and worships the biblical God.

 

[101G]

He is a Trinitarian and worships the biblical God.

thanks,

101G.

 

[TomL]

Greeting,
are you a one person God believer, or a three person God believer? 101G have forgotten your doctrine.

101G

Hello

I hold to the Trinity.

 

[101G]

Hello

I hold to the Trinity.

GOOD, how are you doing.

101G.

 

[TomL]

GOOD, how are you doing.

101G.

Doing ok in the midst of a treatment procedure.

 

[Clay]

While Jesus was on earth, many people traveled great distances to catch even a distant glimpse of the Nazarene who was said to be the Messiah. They wanted to know more about Him and find out if the rumors were true.

The same happens in our own lives. When we hear about Jesus— when we hear about what He does in the lives of ordinary people— we want to find out more about Him.

What we find is that knowing Jesus offers blessings beyond our wildest dreams. And even if we’ve known Him many years, we find that He is always astonishing us with new ways of meeting our needs and restoring our souls.

 

[brightfame52]

While Jesus was on earth, many people traveled great distances to catch even a distant glimpse of the Nazarene who was said to be the Messiah. They wanted to know more about Him and find out if the rumors were true.

The same happens in our own lives. When we hear about Jesus— when we hear about what He does in the lives of ordinary people— we want to find out more about Him.

What we find is that knowing Jesus offers blessings beyond our wildest dreams. And even if we’ve known Him many years, we find that He is always astonishing us with new ways of meeting our needs and restoring our souls.

Did you know that Jesus came not to offer salvation, but to actually save His people from their sins ? Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[Clay]

Did you know that Jesus came not to offer salvation, but to actually save His people from their sins ? Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Being saved from our sins is salvation.


SALVATION Examines the biblical concept of salvation as it develops from the sense of physical rescue in the present life (e.g., deliverance from danger or crisis) to the idea of spiritual rescue often associated with the afterlife (e.g., forgiveness from sins, eternal life). This development in the concept of salvation corresponds with changes in beliefs regarding life after death: As views about the afterlife became more optimistic, the understanding of salvation expanded beyond the present world to include hopes for divine deliverance and even resurrection in the world to come.

In the Bible, salvation usually comes from God, Jesus, or an agent of God. Terms for salvation include:

• יָשַׁע (yasha') and יְשׁוּעָה (yeshu'ah)—Hebrew words most often translated as “save” and “salvation”;
• נָצַל (natsal)—also Hebrew, usually translated as “rescue”; and
• σῴζω (sōzō) and σωτηρία (sōtēria)—Greek words meaning “save” and “salvation.”

 

[TomL]

Did you know that Jesus came not to offer salvation, but to actually save His people from their sins ? Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Both are true

Acts 16:30–31 (LEB) — 30 And he brought them outside and said, “Sirs, what must I do so that I can be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

Both are true

Acts 16:30–31 (LEB) — 30 And he brought them outside and said, “Sirs, what must I do so that I can be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

No such thing as a offer of salvation.

 

[civic]

No such thing as an offer of salvation.

But there is such thing as a counterfeit christ and a counterfeit gospel.

Scripture warns us about it often. They appear as the real thing but are slightly off and without discernment people fall for the one disguised as an Angel of light.

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

No such thing as a offer of salvation.

I beg to differ

Acts 16:30–31 (LEB) — 30 And he brought them outside and said, “Sirs, what must I do so that I can be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

I beg to differ

You seeing things not there in those scriptures, no offer is being made. No such thing