What is worship ?

[101G]

Prove it from scripture. Here is a hint. You cannot

Not saying that you're right or wrong but consider this. 2 Corinthians 3:12 "Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:" 2 Corinthians 3:13 "And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:" 2 Corinthians 3:14 "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." 2 Corinthians 3:15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart." 2 Corinthians 3:16 "Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away." 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Liberty here is the Greek term,
G1657 ἐλευθερία eleutheria (e-lev-the-riy'-a) n.
freedom (legitimate or licentious, chiefly moral or ceremonial).
[from G1658]
KJV: liberty
Root(s): G1658
from the Topical Encyclopedia. ceremonial the covenant relationship between God and His people, serving as both expressions of worship and as symbols pointing to deeper spiritual truths.

hope that helped.

101G.

 

[civic]

Not saying that you're right or wrong but consider this. 2 Corinthians 3:12 "Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:" 2 Corinthians 3:13 "And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:" 2 Corinthians 3:14 "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." 2 Corinthians 3:15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart." 2 Corinthians 3:16 "Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away." 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Liberty here is the Greek term,
G1657 ἐλευθερία eleutheria (e-lev-the-riy'-a) n.
freedom (legitimate or licentious, chiefly moral or ceremonial).
[from G1658]
KJV: liberty
Root(s): G1658
from the Topical Encyclopedia. ceremonial the covenant relationship between God and His people, serving as both expressions of worship and as symbols pointing to deeper spiritual truths.

hope that helped.

101G.

The Greek word for Worship in the NT has nothing to do with music and singing praise songs. The Greek word means to lay prostrate. That’s the point in the video.

4352. proskuneó ►

Strong's Lexicon proskuneó: To worship, to bow down, to prostrate oneself Original Word: προσκυνέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: proskuneó Pronunciation: pros-koo-NEH-oh Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-neh'-o) Definition: To worship, to bow down, to prostrate oneself Meaning: I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship.​

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[Nathan]

For me personal worship is an expression of my devotion and love for God, reflecting the biblical call to "love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" Matthew 22:37

God is so much greater than any of our
words or songs could ever express.
If we can begin to look at God with the
awe that’s due his name, all our other
actions toward him will fall into line.
This is indeed the heart of worship
The Heart of Worship

Ascribe to the Lord, O families of nations, ascribe to the Lord glory and strength, ascribe to the Lord the glory due his name. Bring an offering and come before him; worship the Lord in the splendor of his holiness. Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. Let the heavens rejoice, let the earth be glad; let them say among the nations, “The Lord reigns!”
—1 CHRONICLES 16:28–31

 

[101G]

The Greek word for Worship in the NT has nothing to do with music and singing praise songs. The Greek word means to lay prostrate. That’s the point in the video.

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4352. proskuneó ►

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Strong's Lexicon proskuneó: To worship, to bow down, to prostrate oneself Original Word: προσκυνέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: proskuneó Pronunciation: pros-koo-NEH-oh Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-neh'-o) Definition: To worship, to bow down, to prostrate oneself Meaning: I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship.​

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101G agree, but to lay prostrate is not the only form or the only way to worship God. what if one was wheelchair bound, could he worship? scripture, John 4:23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
what if one lay prostrate and his heart was evil? are one worshiping in Spirit and truth?

many years ago a minister was called out for BAPTIZING a man who was bedridden. (he confessed the Lord Jesus and he said he believed that Jesus was God son), and he asked the minister would he baptized him. and he did right there in his bed. and his contemporaries who was in the ministry with him asked, why he did that. his answer was, he was LED BY THE SPIRIT TO DO IT THAY WAY. scripture, Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Spirit and Truth.

'that settle the matter for me. if the Lord Jesus command one to do it,,,,,, who am I to withstand God?

hope that helped.

101G

 

[civic]

101G agree, but to lay prostrate is not the only form or the only way to worship God. what if one was wheelchair bound, could he worship? scripture, John 4:23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
what if one lay prostrate and his heart was evil? are one worshiping in Spirit and truth?

many years ago a minister was called out for BAPTIZING a man who was bedridden. (he confessed the Lord Jesus and he said he believed that Jesus was God son), and he asked the minister would he baptized him. and he did right there in his bed. and his contemporaries who was in the ministry with him asked, why he did that. his answer was, he was LED BY THE SPIRIT TO DO IT THAY WAY. scripture, Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Spirit and Truth.

'that settle the matter for me. if the Lord Jesus command one to do it,,,,,, who am I to withstand God?

hope that helped.

101G

Here is the word in John 4:23 which supports what I have been saying in this thread

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◄ 4353. proskunétés ►​

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Strong's Lexicon proskunétés: Worshiper Original Word: προσκυνητής Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: proskunétés Pronunciation: pros-koo-nay-TACE Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-nay-tace') Definition: Worshiper Meaning: a worshipper. Word Origin: Derived from the verb προσκυνέω (proskuneó), meaning "to worship" or "to bow down." Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often associated with the concept of worship is שָׁחָה (shachah), Strong's Hebrew #7812, which means "to bow down" or "to prostrate oneself." Usage: The term "proskunétés" refers to an individual who engages in the act of worship, particularly in the context of reverence and adoration towards God. It implies a posture of humility and submission, often associated with physical gestures such as bowing or kneeling.​

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[101G]

Here is the word in John 4:23 which supports what I have been saying in this thread

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◄ 4353. proskunétés ►​

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Strong's Lexicon proskunétés: Worshiper Original Word: προσκυνητής Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: proskunétés Pronunciation: pros-koo-nay-TACE Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-nay-tace') Definition: Worshiper Meaning: a worshipper. Word Origin: Derived from the verb προσκυνέω (proskuneó), meaning "to worship" or "to bow down." Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often associated with the concept of worship is שָׁחָה (shachah), Strong's Hebrew #7812, which means "to bow down" or "to prostrate oneself." Usage: The term "proskunétés" refers to an individual who engages in the act of worship, particularly in the context of reverence and adoration towards God. It implies a posture of humility and submission, often associated with physical gestures such as bowing or kneeling.​

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C... did not 101G agree with you on that? my point is this, "JESUS" IS THE WAY, and if he provide a way ... in singing, praying, or even preaching... the point is for us to "obey" him. as said, Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." let the "Spirit" led us. he is in us.

101G

 

[civic]

C... did not 101G agree with you on that? my point is this, "JESUS" IS THE WAY, and if he provide a way ... in singing, praying, or even preaching... the point is for us to "obey" him. as said, Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." let the "Spirit" led us. he is in us.

101G

yes but we must not conflate the Greek word for worship with singing and praying. . They are different.

 

[101G]

yes but we must not conflate the Greek word for worship with singing and praying. . They are different.

true, but we must not hinder the Spirit either. 1 Thessalonians 5:16 "Rejoice evermore." 1 Thessalonians 5:17 "Pray without ceasing." 1 Thessalonians 5:18 "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." 1 Thessalonians 5:19 "Quench not the Spirit."

Galatians 5:7 "Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?" and the Spirit who is TRUTH is JESUS.

Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

now, civic, you sound legalistic. this is why we're "FREE" in Christ Jesus. hence our Liberty to obey him. is not obedience the best worship?

101G.

 

[civic]

true, but we must not hinder the Spirit either. 1 Thessalonians 5:16 "Rejoice evermore." 1 Thessalonians 5:17 "Pray without ceasing." 1 Thessalonians 5:18 "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." 1 Thessalonians 5:19 "Quench not the Spirit."

Galatians 5:7 "Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?" and the Spirit who is TRUTH is JESUS.

Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

now, civic, you sound legalistic. this is why we're "FREE" in Christ Jesus. hence our Liberty to obey him. is not obedience the best worship?

101G.

Agreed but that’s still not the biblical definition of worship.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Modern words don't equate exactly to ancient words.

The English word "angel" does not equate to the word angel used in the Bible; people are called angels, prophets are called angels, demons are called angels, Christ is called an angel, because all angel meant in the original was "messenger."

The whole study is based on a faulty premise and is invalid. The irony here—these studies always trying to find some new "gotcha" revelation to question fundamentals Christians have always enjoyed, miss the heart of worship altogether.

Like the silly modern movement to question the sinner's prayer.

You're deflecting and not actually dealing with the issue. You've always made such mistakes. There is no conspiracy of looking for "gotchas"....

"Angels"..... geesh.

Worship is state of mind wherein the Spirit of God is continually the focal point of every moment of our lives.

Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

It is a connection to life itself. Bowing down our very lives continually to the Spirit of God that leads us.

 

[101G]

Agreed but that’s still not the biblical definition of worship.

C... do you understand? John 4:21 "Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father." John 4:22 "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." John 4:23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:25 "The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things." John 4:26 "Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he." J

C... listen, just because one's "BODY" is not prostrate, that's not in "Spirit", nor "TRUTH". listen carefully, John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

2 Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." LAST TIME, Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

one more, Galatians 5:1 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."

so, 101G will stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made 101G free,

holped that help.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The traditions of men in the assembly/church gatherings have made void the word of God regarding worship and its use in the Greek N.T.

We do not base our beliefs on what the modern church teaches. Biblical hermenuetics is based on what the N.T. declares and we base our beliefs upon a proper exegesis of the text. In this case worship today has no resemblance to worship in the N.T. early church assembly.

They did not "worship " when they assembled together.

For those with ears to hear and eyes to see who are open to correction and not their "traditions" this is an eye opening study.

There are so many things we do today in our churches that have no correlation to the N.T. church gatherings. In fact what we do in our churches resemble more closely what the Jews did in their temples. The Pastor/Preacher is more like the O.T. priest in the temple, and the pews like the jews going to the temple. The N.T. church looks nothing like the Jewish temples our modern churches are modeled after. Jesus had that veil torn in two and the temple destroyed. God does not dwell in temples made by men. We don't go to church to experience God. God dwells in us and we are the temple of God.

hope this helps !!!

The Temple should have never been built.

 

[101G]

Colossians 3:17 "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."

101G.

 

[Bronson]

No man should appear before the Lord empty-handed: Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the Lord your God has blessed you.
—DEUTERONOMY 16:16–17

The heart of worship is giving back to God.

Finally, the harvest was over. The farmers of Israel had planted earlier in the year, they’d tended their crops, watched them grow, and the time to bring in the crop had come. They’d worked hard, and now the harvest was in—their labors had paid off. It was time to celebrate.

This passage in Deuteronomy comes from the law of Moses, and it concerns a certain feast known as the “Feast of Tabernacles.” This feasting time was a time of joy that came immediately after the harvest had been brought in, and it served as a way for the Israelites to acknowledge God’s hand on their farming efforts.

But one of the critical portions of this particular feast was the gift. This was one of three annual feasts in which every man in Israel was obligated to appear before the Lord in worship, and during each of those times, every man had to bring something to God. It didn’t matter what it was, so long as it was “in proportion to” God’s blessing on them.

God didn’t want cheap worship. He wanted the Israelites to recognize all that he had given them that year, and he wanted them to give back some of it as a means of focusing their hearts back toward him in thanks for their bountiful crop.
God doesn’t want cheap worship from us, either. He wants us to give back to him, to give of ourselves as we worship.

God wants us to be willing to do whatever
he asks of us and, in so doing, to give to
him a portion of what he’s so
graciously given to us.

Prayer for the Day:
God, thanks for all that you’ve given me. Sometimes I have to look hard to see it, but I recognize the times you’ve blessed me financially, relationally, spiritually, emotionally, and physically. And I’ll admit it—sometimes it’s hard for me to give back. But I remember that it’s all yours anyway, Lord, so I pray that you’ll give me the strength to give back to you with a sincere and grateful heart, however you want me to. I want to give you so much more than just a song, God. I want to give you my heart. Amen.


David C Cook and Adam Palmer, The Heart of Worship

 

[101G]

No man should appear before the Lord empty-handed: Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the Lord your God has blessed you.
—DEUTERONOMY 16:16–17

The heart of worship is giving back to God.

Finally, the harvest was over. The farmers of Israel had planted earlier in the year, they’d tended their crops, watched them grow, and the time to bring in the crop had come. They’d worked hard, and now the harvest was in—their labors had paid off. It was time to celebrate.

This passage in Deuteronomy comes from the law of Moses, and it concerns a certain feast known as the “Feast of Tabernacles.” This feasting time was a time of joy that came immediately after the harvest had been brought in, and it served as a way for the Israelites to acknowledge God’s hand on their farming efforts.

But one of the critical portions of this particular feast was the gift. This was one of three annual feasts in which every man in Israel was obligated to appear before the Lord in worship, and during each of those times, every man had to bring something to God. It didn’t matter what it was, so long as it was “in proportion to” God’s blessing on them.

God didn’t want cheap worship. He wanted the Israelites to recognize all that he had given them that year, and he wanted them to give back some of it as a means of focusing their hearts back toward him in thanks for their bountiful crop.
God doesn’t want cheap worship from us, either. He wants us to give back to him, to give of ourselves as we worship.

God wants us to be willing to do whatever
he asks of us and, in so doing, to give to
him a portion of what he’s so
graciously given to us.

Prayer for the Day:
God, thanks for all that you’ve given me. Sometimes I have to look hard to see it, but I recognize the times you’ve blessed me financially, relationally, spiritually, emotionally, and physically. And I’ll admit it—sometimes it’s hard for me to give back. But I remember that it’s all yours anyway, Lord, so I pray that you’ll give me the strength to give back to you with a sincere and grateful heart, however you want me to. I want to give you so much more than just a song, God. I want to give you my heart. Amen.


David C Cook and Adam Palmer, The Heart of Worship

Good and correct. now, NT Hebrews 13:15 "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name."

OT, Isaiah 57:19 "I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him."

101G.

 

[Dizerner]

geesh.

Geesh indeed!

Well said.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No man should appear before the Lord empty-handed: Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the Lord your God has blessed you.
—DEUTERONOMY 16:16–17

The heart of worship is giving back to God.

Finally, the harvest was over. The farmers of Israel had planted earlier in the year, they’d tended their crops, watched them grow, and the time to bring in the crop had come. They’d worked hard, and now the harvest was in—their labors had paid off. It was time to celebrate.

This passage in Deuteronomy comes from the law of Moses, and it concerns a certain feast known as the “Feast of Tabernacles.” This feasting time was a time of joy that came immediately after the harvest had been brought in, and it served as a way for the Israelites to acknowledge God’s hand on their farming efforts.

But one of the critical portions of this particular feast was the gift. This was one of three annual feasts in which every man in Israel was obligated to appear before the Lord in worship, and during each of those times, every man had to bring something to God. It didn’t matter what it was, so long as it was “in proportion to” God’s blessing on them.

God didn’t want cheap worship. He wanted the Israelites to recognize all that he had given them that year, and he wanted them to give back some of it as a means of focusing their hearts back toward him in thanks for their bountiful crop.
God doesn’t want cheap worship from us, either. He wants us to give back to him, to give of ourselves as we worship.

God wants us to be willing to do whatever
he asks of us and, in so doing, to give to
him a portion of what he’s so
graciously given to us.

Prayer for the Day:
God, thanks for all that you’ve given me. Sometimes I have to look hard to see it, but I recognize the times you’ve blessed me financially, relationally, spiritually, emotionally, and physically. And I’ll admit it—sometimes it’s hard for me to give back. But I remember that it’s all yours anyway, Lord, so I pray that you’ll give me the strength to give back to you with a sincere and grateful heart, however you want me to. I want to give you so much more than just a song, God. I want to give you my heart. Amen.


David C Cook and Adam Palmer, The Heart of Worship

Then worship can only be obtained for those that have to give in return. Such thoughts are from those that were like King David...

Psa 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.

What a dramatic difference. This is a very real issue in theology. Men see what they desire.

Men, like the above, insist that every person can give back to God. That isn't true at all. Some have nothing to give in return but praise to His name.

Such is MORE than enough for them for God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Good and correct. now, NT Hebrews 13:15 "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name."

OT, Isaiah 57:19 "I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him."

101G.

So stop demanding actions you prefer in worship.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Geesh indeed!

Well said.

Yeah. That is what you do.....

 

[Dizerner]

Yeah. That is what you do.....

You caught me.

As always.