What is so good about the good news?
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Diserner
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Well, I was going to post this a week ago, so I may as well not waste it I guess.
I appreciate the spirit of this.... but we should be a little cautious in describing certain things about God. Certainly we can feel very sharp feelings of need, we can encounter enemies and negative experiences we don't understand or feel too much for us. We can feel severely misled and let down by God in a lot of ways for whatever reason, when we put our hopes in a false idea (like that we will feel no hurts or needs).
When one turns to the Scripture, one sees a more real and raw relationship with God where things are not so cookie cutter and starry eyed with sprinkles. Imagine telling Job at his most depressed and hurtful moment, "God will not disappoint you, he will meet all your needs, he won't ever take away good things from you or allow you to be hurt." I mean... that's a bit shallow at that moment. God had gone outside Job's box.
That kind of unrealistic picture and promise puts people on a very shallow foundation and motivates them to follow God for the wrong reasons. It makes for very fair-weather believers who aren't prepared for the harsh realities a fallen world can present. As long as we're in the bubble of everything going well, we'll let God be a part of our happy experience, and relate to him as something that is there just to serve us.
The Biblical God is a bit bigger.... a bit more on the throne, a bit more beyond the understanding, a bit more offensive, a bit more challenging, a bit more demanding. Jesus was not after all just the generosity of God, but displayed in a great measure God's holiness and offense at our sin. We can't play around or mess around with Jesus, and he never once gave the impression God was just there to meet all our needs, and that's that.
I don't mean to downplay God's goodness and love and faithfulness to us, and we should celebrate it and proclaim it; but as the Bible relays it to us, and not as we wish it would be. The truth is, God can be really offensive and difficult, and God is very specific, and despite the greatness of the grace he offers, he does not just let us come to him any old way and use him as a kind of guarantee we get the things we want.
I would never want to mislead people into an unrealistic idea of what God will require and offer to them. As Ray Comfort says, people have seen Jesus as a way to make their flight more comfortable, not as a parachute because the whole flight is going completely to crash. When Jesus is our parachute, saving us from the consequences of a fallen world, and our personal sin, we are more likely to keep him when it gets rough.
Brakelite
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Nothing I could disagree with there.
I'm thinking, without going over my own post again, that I may have given a wrong impression, for which I take full responsibility. When I say that God is love, and that He would never take away something that is for our good, or give anything that would be detrimental, I never had in mind material things, either way. I was wholly considering the shedding of old habits/addictions/idols, and receiving His righteousness. My mind was focused wholly on character development and becoming Christ-like. I apologize for not being clearer.
Peter
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Are you a Roman Catholic that believes you are saved by your good works?
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Addressing the OP, and haven't read all the posts. to me the Good news is that under the NEW COVENANT we have a "Binding Covenant" that cannot be broken, foretold in Genesis 49:10 & 11. that right there is Good news to 101G.
when the Lord Jesus said, Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." the :Lord Jesus did not Lie.
101G
Addressing the OP, and haven't read all the posts. to me the Good news is that under the NEW COVENANT we have a "Binding Covenant" that cannot be broken, foretold in Genesis 49:10 & 11. that right there is Good news to 101G.
when the Lord Jesus said, Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." the :Lord Jesus did not Lie.
101G
The good news of Gods kingdom= Jesus death opened the door to all to repent and obey to gain everlasting life.
Gods kingdom rule is a form of govt, lead by Gods appointed king. It will take control of all creation soon. It will be a cure all for all creation= No more war, fear, hate, greed, sickness, no aging like now, no more disease, greed, cheating on mates, lying, drunkeness, drug addiction, No mourning, outcries or pain, even death will be no more. No starvation, etc,etc. No more satan influences to ruin things. Earth( new earth) will become a Eden(Paradise) where the righteous will reside forever( Psalm 37:29)Matt 5:5)-- What a wonderful hope God holds out to all. His love is immeasurable. And dead loved ones will be resurrected and given a chance to get their names written in Gods book of life.
Is not that worth living for now? Then listen to Jesus and do this-Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)-- Those who are not taught to do exactly that have not found the teachers who have Jesus. Every true follower already knows Matt 6:33 by heart. Do you?
I forgot to mention, Isaiah 11 explains the perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures.)-- And that God only rested creating, no telling what wonderful things he has in store for obedient mankind living in his kingdom.
Entering his kingdom has more value than a gazillion x all the wealth combined on earth.
Gods kingdom rule is a form of govt, lead by Gods appointed king. It will take control of all creation soon. It will be a cure all for all creation= No more war, fear, hate, greed, sickness, no aging like now, no more disease, greed, cheating on mates, lying, drunkeness, drug addiction, No mourning, outcries or pain, even death will be no more. No starvation, etc,etc. No more satan influences to ruin things. Earth( new earth) will become a Eden(Paradise) where the righteous will reside forever( Psalm 37:29)Matt 5:5)-- What a wonderful hope God holds out to all. His love is immeasurable. And dead loved ones will be resurrected and given a chance to get their names written in Gods book of life.
Is not that worth living for now? Then listen to Jesus and do this-Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)-- Those who are not taught to do exactly that have not found the teachers who have Jesus. Every true follower already knows Matt 6:33 by heart. Do you?
I forgot to mention, Isaiah 11 explains the perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures.)-- And that God only rested creating, no telling what wonderful things he has in store for obedient mankind living in his kingdom.
Entering his kingdom has more value than a gazillion x all the wealth combined on earth.
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And Peter served the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--as do all true followers.
101G
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the apostle Peter serves the Lord Jesus who is Abraham God, who is a single being, as you know as YHWH. as do all true followers.
101G.
YHWH said to my Lord)Jesus)-- proves he is not YHWH. Jesus' God is YHWH( John 20:17), just like ours.
101G
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ERROR read verse 5 of 110 and Look up the term "Lord" there, the same one at God right...... (smile).
101G.
Its pretty simple-In your altered version-you have the LORD said to my Lord)----YHWH= LORD all capitols-Lord = Jesus-proving 100% Jesus is not YHWH.
101G
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people still don't UNDERSTAND the "ECHAD". 101G will try to show you one more time. follow. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
see that "EQUAL ..... "WITH?". now these two verses for the answer, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the LORD who is the First is "WITH" the Last correct. now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." you see how "With" work in the Godhead? now that same "WITH" is use in John 1:1b and have the same result in John 1:1c, "and the Word was God".
101G.
Overjoyed
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Yes I would say so. What with freewill and all. I've read the opposite on some forums, that we can't resist and if we try God will drag us kicking and screaming to the acceptance of the cross. I think what it boils down to is who chooses who in salvation.
Then you can get into the general call to salvation for the specific call as in to the "Elect". The first one can be resisted I'm not so sure about the second one. But it seems like if you were predestined you probably couldn't resist.
101G
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@Keiw1,
is not "Lord" in verse 5 YHWH? let's see.
Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."
Lord: H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113
now, why is "Lord" here in verse 5 is in the emphatic form of H113 at verse 1? 101G will answer it for you. Lord in verse 1 is spoke of prophetic to come...... IN FLESH, in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') STATE.
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756
and in that STATE, he is "Lord"/Master
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.
listen to the Lord Jesus on Earth in Flesh, John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am."
now listen closely, Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." BINGO.
101G.
is not "Lord" in verse 5 YHWH? let's see.
Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."
Lord: H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113
now, why is "Lord" here in verse 5 is in the emphatic form of H113 at verse 1? 101G will answer it for you. Lord in verse 1 is spoke of prophetic to come...... IN FLESH, in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') STATE.
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756
and in that STATE, he is "Lord"/Master
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.
listen to the Lord Jesus on Earth in Flesh, John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am."
now listen closely, Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." BINGO.
101G.
101G
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@Keiw1,
the sitting at the Right of God simply means he is in "POWER". this is what the book of Revelation is all about. it is the Lord Jesus in Revelation who sits on the throne in Revelation. it is ... he, the Lord Jesus who stands before the very throne he sits on. (that's the ECHAD) in full view. all of this is/are connected, the ARM of God, an ARM of Flesh, the First who is With, and is Aldo the Last, the Father, who is the Son in titles only. this is just 2 easy....101G could go on and on.
101G.
the sitting at the Right of God simply means he is in "POWER". this is what the book of Revelation is all about. it is the Lord Jesus in Revelation who sits on the throne in Revelation. it is ... he, the Lord Jesus who stands before the very throne he sits on. (that's the ECHAD) in full view. all of this is/are connected, the ARM of God, an ARM of Flesh, the First who is With, and is Aldo the Last, the Father, who is the Son in titles only. this is just 2 easy....101G could go on and on.
101G.
Your phil 2:6 is error, Not all translations say that. You twist the other.
Every spot in OT where LORD all capitols is-YHWH belongs.
Rev 1:1-A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him-2 beings there, 1 is God( The giver), 1 is not God.=Jesus the receiver. There is only 1 God. God did not say-Here me have a revelation.
