What is false doctrine ?

[Amos]

The idea of God translating people from earth to heaven is not limited to the Rapture; such translation took place in the Old Testament, too. The first and most remarkable incident involves Enoch. In Genesis 5:18-24, we learn of a pre-Flood man who was so righteous in his lifestyle that he “walked with God three hundred years…and he was not, for God took him”. Obviously he was translated into the presence of God.

Elijah, the great Hebrew prophet, was also translated by God directly from this earth into heaven, and his disciple Elisha saw him go. Again we have a human being translated, or as the apostle Paul would later describe it, “when this corruptible [body] has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up in victory’” 1 Corinthians 15:54

 

[civic]

The moral of Truth is this: "no lie is of the Truth"

pre-trib rapture is a lie = the LORD Says so in His Word

Your view is the lie as I have demonstrated with plenty of scripture

You shouldn’t claim to speak for God on this topic since Jesus declared you are wrong in Matthew 24.

You are projecting and the enemy has deceived you by sowing discord among the brethren. That’s how I know you speak from the flesh, not the Spirit

 

[DavidTree]

The idea of God translating people from earth to heaven is not limited to the Rapture; such translation took place in the Old Testament, too. The first and most remarkable incident involves Enoch. In Genesis 5:18-24, we learn of a pre-Flood man who was so righteous in his lifestyle that he “walked with God three hundred years…and he was not, for God took him”. Obviously he was translated into the presence of God.

Elijah, the great Hebrew prophet, was also translated by God directly from this earth into heaven, and his disciple Elisha saw him go. Again we have a human being translated, or as the apostle Paul would later describe it, “when this corruptible [body] has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up in victory’” 1 Corinthians 15:54

No one was taken to Heaven until AFTER the LORD rose from the dead and Ascended back to the FATHER.
And JESUS only brought the souls of the Righteous Saints into Heaven - NO physical bodies in Heaven except the LORD

@civic = pre-trib rapture is built upon human error which are falsehoods(lies) from the enemy into the churches

In every scripture reference that supposedly supports pre-trib, it is exposed as a FALSEHOOD = everytime

The MORAL of the TRUTH is = "no lie is of the TRUTH"

 

[civic]

No one was taken to Heaven until AFTER the LORD rose from the dead and Ascended back to the FATHER.
And JESUS only brought the souls of the Righteous Saints into Heaven - NO physical bodies in Heaven except the LORD

@civic = pre-trib rapture is built upon human error which are falsehoods(lies) from the enemy into the churches

In every scripture reference that supposedly supports pre-trib, it is exposed as a FALSEHOOD = everytime

The MORAL of the TRUTH is = "no lie is of the TRUTH"

So far nothing but your false assumptions void of scripture and eisegesis. Just empty claims. Very poor hermeneutics and apologetics.

 

[DavidTree]

So far nothing but your false assumptions void of scripture and eisegesis. Just empty claims. Very poor hermeneutics and apologetics.

Now you are bearing false witness and slander

This is the outcome when people hold unto false beliefs and refuse to allow correction = disparage and slander those who shine the LIGHT of TRUTH

 

[civic]

Now you are bearing false witness and slander

This is the outcome when people hold unto false beliefs and refuse to allow correction = disparage and slander those who shine the LIGHT of TRUTH

Posts 9, 15-17 thoroughly refute your false claims with scripture and sound exegesis.

All you have are assumptions and empty claims as a defense

You refuse correction. Pride comes before a fall.

 

[civic]

Now you are bearing false witness and slander

This is the outcome when people hold unto false beliefs and refuse to allow correction = disparage and slander those who shine the LIGHT of TRUTH

Projecting again

Your words below are ad hominem and slanderous not mine

You said :

@civic = pre-trib rapture is built upon human error which are falsehoods(lies) from the enemy into the churches

In every scripture reference that supposedly supports pre-trib, it is exposed as a FALSEHOOD = everytime

The MORAL of the TRUTH is = "no lie is of the TRUTH"

 

[civic]

#1 - You have zero evidence of me making a false claim!!!

#2 - Christ says pre-trib rapture is a lie.

#3 - You follow men(respect of persons) over the Holy Spirit of TRUTH = Thy word is TRUTH

Matter of fact you are exalting yourself above Christ and the Apostles and the OT Prophets whenever you go against His words = Matthew chapter 24 , Gospel , Genesis , Daniel , Zechariah , Apostles Paul, Apostle John and James

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Not one pre-trib rapture passage/declaration/prophecy in the entire Holy Scriptures.

All falsehoods I will repeat your own saying with a twist


" All you can do is say pre-trib, pre-trib, pre-trib is a lie "

2- Jesus says pre trib is the truth- you make Jesus a liar
3- your teachings of men over the Holy Spirit makes Gods word a lie, when its the truth

Your quote in Matthew 24 is not the rapture- Jesus is gathering His elect ( Jews from Judea in the text ).

To re-quote you once again with a twist


Not one pre-trib rapture passage/declaration/prophecy in the entire Holy Scriptures can you disprove.

you are all about eisegesis ( your personal opinions) and lack exegesis in your apologetics. They are filled with opinion and false claims.

hope this helps !!!

 

[DavidTree]

All falsehoods I will repeat your own saying with a twist


" All you can do is say pre-trib, pre-trib, pre-trib is a lie "

2- Jesus says pre trib is the truth- you make Jesus a liar
3- your teachings of men over the Holy Spirit makes Gods word a lie, when its the truth

Your quote in Matthew 24 is not the rapture- Jesus is gathering His elect ( Jews from Judea in the text ).

To re-quote you once again with a twist


Not one pre-trib rapture passage/declaration/prophecy in the entire Holy Scriptures can you disprove.

you are all about eisegesis ( your personal opinions) and lack exegesis in your apologetics. They are filled with opinion and false claims.

hope this helps !!!

Good Morning my Brother in Christ,

JESUS Return is the only Time/Place that the rapture will occur = Genesis, Matt ch24 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , Daniel , Revelation
There does not exist in all of Scripture a single pre-trib rapture prophecy/passage/declaration.
Wake UP Call = You would of posted it if you could find one!!!

Every time a person says pre-trib rapture they are declaring that JESUS/Apostles/OT Prophets are wrong!!!
This is accomplished the same way by which:
a.) Israel/Jewish Temple & synagogue leaders
b.) Roman Catholic church popes/leaders
c.) Mormon/jw/Baptists/etc
would suppress the truth so that the congregants would fear and obey man-made teachings that override the Scriptures:

1.) disavowing/altering/ignoring = "It is written"
2.) respect of persons
3.) control all places of worship thru conformed leaders
4.) conformed leaders strictly enforce anti-biblical doctrine mixed in with truth

Example:
a.) JESUS is coming back = Truth
b.) JESUS has three Comings and HE comes back pre-trib rapture before His 3rd Coming = LIE
c.) JESUS coming for the rapture is secret = direct LIE against Christ's/Apostles/Revelation words/commandments
d.) and many more lies such as: "the church is not the elect"

pre-trib rapture has become the idol in christianity that blinds them to "It is written" and when they do read the scriptures they twist the truth to keep their idol propped up

 

[Amos]

No one was taken to Heaven until AFTER the LORD rose from the dead and Ascended back to the FATHER.
And JESUS only brought the souls of the Righteous Saints into Heaven - NO physical bodies in Heaven except the LORD

@civic = pre-trib rapture is built upon human error which are falsehoods(lies) from the enemy into the churches

In every scripture reference that supposedly supports pre-trib, it is exposed as a FALSEHOOD = everytime

The MORAL of the TRUTH is = "no lie is of the TRUTH"

To hear you tell it. But in reality the pre-tribulation rapture of the Church is irrefutable.

Genesis 5:18-24 gives us the lineage from Jared to Enoch, who uniquely "walked with God" and, instead of dying, was "taken" by God, signifying his translation to heaven rather than experiencing physical death

Enoch was no more, because God took him. He was in Gods presence and that is heaven.

Then there are these biblical passages like Revelation 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9 to mean believers will be "raptured" or removed from the earth before this period of intense judgment of the 7 year tribulation.

“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thessalonians 4:17-18 KJV)

As we see this world getting worse and worse, moving closer to that great tribulation period, God wants His people to not be afraid that they will have to go through those horrible judgments. We can take comfort in the promise of God that He will rescue us before those end-times tribulation and destructive judgements come. We already have tribulation in this world.

Jesus told us to expect that. But that is nothing compared to the destructions and terror that will fall on this world during the final tribulation. To that, God’s Word says we are to comfort one another with His promise of a rapture that will spare us from what is coming.

 

[Samson]

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

 

[civic]

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

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Yes a biblical picture of the end time events. Amen

 

[DavidTree]

To hear you tell it. But in reality the pre-tribulation rapture of the Church is irrefutable.

Genesis 5:18-24 gives us the lineage from Jared to Enoch, who uniquely "walked with God" and, instead of dying, was "taken" by God, signifying his translation to heaven rather than experiencing physical death

Enoch was no more, because God took him. He was in Gods presence and that is heaven.

Then there are these biblical passages like Revelation 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9 to mean believers will be "raptured" or removed from the earth before this period of intense judgment of the 7 year tribulation.

“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thessalonians 4:17-18 KJV)

As we see this world getting worse and worse, moving closer to that great tribulation period, God wants His people to not be afraid that they will have to go through those horrible judgments. We can take comfort in the promise of God that He will rescue us before those end-times tribulation and destructive judgements come. We already have tribulation in this world.

Jesus told us to expect that. But that is nothing compared to the destructions and terror that will fall on this world during the final tribulation. To that, God’s Word says we are to comfort one another with His promise of a rapture that will spare us from what is coming.

Good Afternoon @Amos ,
Though my words are very strong on this subject, my love for you and for my Brother @civic is equally strong as well.
God's love for us is even STRONGER and is IRREFUTABLE and ETERNAL = HalleluYAH

By His Spirit we will look at Genesis = which proves beyond any doubt that pre-trib rapture is a major falsehood/lie.

Question for @Amos : Would you dare refute the LORD???
Before you answer, make sure you understand the ramifications of doing so!!! = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Make 100% certain that you submit to every word of God lest you be found as a liar!

Now these are the words of God = Matthew ch24

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[civic]

Good Afternoon @Amos ,
Though my words are very strong on this subject, my love for you and for my Brother @civic is equally strong as well.
God's love for us is even STRONGER and is IRREFUTABLE and ETERNAL = HalleluYAH

By His Spirit we will look at Genesis = which proves beyond any doubt that pre-trib rapture is a major falsehood/lie.

Question for @Amos : Would you dare refute the LORD???
Before you answer, make sure you understand the ramifications of doing so!!! = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Make 100% certain that you submit to every word of God lest you be found as a liar!

Now these are the words of God = Matthew ch24

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In the essentials unity
In the non essentials liberty
In all things charity

This is not an essential doctrine where one’s salvation is at jeopardy. To there should be grace shown over different points of view, not accusing brothers / sisters in Christ believing the devils teachings

 

[civic]

I’m going to gracefully bow out of this topic and not participate any longer over it since it’s not essential to a persons salvation.

The rapture and its timing is not the gospel or worth dividing over IMHO. I have said all that I need to on the topic. There are much bigger fish to fry

hope this helps !!!

 

[DavidTree]

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

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Charts are man made and your chart says: 'Christ is a liar'

the LORD Says: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days.......I come and gather My elect" = Matt ch24

When you conform your chart to the words of Christ, the Apostles and the OT Prophets, then you will speak Truth on His 2nd Coming.

 

[Hosanna]

Don't get left behind...

The little church at Thessalonica became upset because someone claimed the appointed day had already taken place and that the believers had been left behind. Paul’s answer to them in 1 and 2 Thessalonians probably gave more impetus to the belief in the imminent return of Christ than any other single scripture.

Tim LaHaye

 

[Hosanna]

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

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Awesome diagram @Samson

 

[DavidTree]

I’m going to gracefully bow out of this topic and not participate any longer over it since it’s not essential to a persons salvation.

The rapture and its timing is not the gospel or worth dividing over IMHO. I have said all that I need to on the topic. There are much bigger fish to fry

hope this helps !!!

Accepted

Always place you trust in God = stand firm on the words of God which say:
a.) "Immediately after the tribulation.....I Come and gather My elect" - Matt ch24, OT Prophet Daniel, Apostles Paul & John
b.) pre-trib rapture ="no lie is of the Truth" = Apostle John
c.) 1st Thessalonians and 2nd Thessalonians and 1 John = 2nd Coming of Christ is after the AC/Tribulation

 

[DavidTree]

Don't get left behind...

The little church at Thessalonica became upset because someone claimed the appointed day had already taken place and that the believers had been left behind. Paul’s answer to them in 1 and 2 Thessalonians probably gave more impetus to the belief in the imminent return of Christ than any other single scripture.

Tim LaHaye

The threat of Christians being "left- behind" is another BLANTANT LIE from the false prophets such as Tim LaHaye and others.

REPENT from trusting in men who speak falsehood whereby you reject the words of Christ and the Apostles and the OT Prophets

Hebrews 13:5-6
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear.
What can man do to me?”

@Amos

The threat for being "left-behind" only applies to those who reject the Holy Spirit = Matthew 25:1-13