What establishes Guilt?

[praise_yeshua]

I believe guilt is often misunderstood in Christianity.

Rom 4:8 How blessed is the person whose sins the Lord will never charge against him!"

So, what exactly establishes Guilt?

 

[JoshebB]

Wrongdoing.

The first use of the term in the Bible is Genesis 42:21, where Joseph's brothers acknowledge (confess) their apathy to Joseph's distress. The first use in the New Testament is found in Matthew 5:22 where Jesus couches the term two ways: first in a legal setting, a courtroom, and second as a matter of divine judgment.

I would like to add two notes that might arise once the thread expands. The first is that sin is not measured merely by conduct in scripture. Many people think 1 Jn. 3:4 is the only place sin is defined, and they may, therefore, unwittingly insert an "only" in the verse where it does not actually exist. "Sin is [only] lawlessness," is not what the verse states. The second note is that guilt is not synonymous with shame. When we speak of guilt we usually hear or say something like, "I feel guilty because I did x , and "x" is some form of wrongdoing. Shame usually expressed with something like, "I can't believe I did that. What is wrong with me?" In other words, guilt is the idea I did something wrong while shame is the idea I am something wrong. Both qualify as sin. We do things wrong AND we are something wrong (we are not as God originally made us).

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe guilt is often misunderstood in Christianity.

Rom 4:8 How blessed is the person whose sins the Lord will never charge against him!"

So, what exactly establishes Guilt?

Some persons feel guilty because they've hurt §God.
Some persons feel guilty because they were caught.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Wrongdoing.

I quoted the very verse that said God will not charge "wrong doing" to "blessed men". Guilt is deeper than having done something wrong.

The first use of the term in the Bible is Genesis 42:21, where Joseph's brothers acknowledge (confess) their apathy to Joseph's distress. The first use in the New Testament is found in Matthew 5:22 where Jesus couches the term two ways: first in a legal setting, a courtroom, and second as a matter of divine judgment.

Legal settings have nothing to do with guilt as referenced. Such is the jurisdiction of men. We've had fathers of our past that corrected us after their own judgments. God operates differently. He isn't like man. Mankind has a jurisdiction that falls under men like "Moses". That is why Jesus appealed to the "law of Moses".

I would like to add two notes that might arise once the thread expands. The first is that sin is not measured merely by conduct in scripture. Many people think 1 Jn. 3:4 is the only place sin is defined, and they may, therefore, unwittingly insert an "only" in the verse where it does not actually exist. "Sin is [only] lawlessness," is not what the verse states. The second note is that guilt is not synonymous with shame. When we speak of guilt we usually hear or say something like, "I feel guilty because I did x , and "x" is some form of wrongdoing. Shame usually expressed with something like, "I can't believe I did that. What is wrong with me?" In other words, guilt is the idea I did something wrong while shame is the idea I am something wrong. Both qualify as sin. We do things wrong AND we are something wrong (we are not as God originally made us).

Consider Christ despised the shame of the cross. This is will help. Shame is an emotion. I feel shame for others. It is a necessity of Empathy. I literally feel their shame as if it were my own.

To many people with huge egos.... shame is nothing more than regret associated with others seeing them fail. Guilt comes from agreement with God and is born out of brokeness through empathy in realizing we are no different than one another.

THAT is the message of the law of Moses/Mankind. For what measure we meet........

Self awareness of guilt in that we are all like one another. We establish such in our own judgements of others that condemn us too.....

 

[GodsGrace]

I quoted the very verse that said God will not charge "wrong doing" to "blessed men". Guilt is deeper than having done something wrong.



Legal settings have nothing to do with guilt as referenced. Such is the jurisdiction of men. We've had fathers of our past that corrected us after their own judgments. God operates differently. He isn't like man. Mankind has a jurisdiction that falls under men like "Moses". That is why Jesus appealed to the "law of Moses".



Consider Christ despised the shame of the cross. This is will help. Shame is an emotion. I feel shame for others. It is a necessity of Empathy. I literally feel their shame as if it were my own.

To many people with huge egos.... shame is nothing more than regret associated with others seeing them fail. Guilt comes from agreement with God and is born out of brokeness through empathy in realizing we are no different than one another.

THAT is the message of the law of Moses/Mankind. For what measure we meet........

Self awareness of guilt in that we are all like one another. We establish such in our own judgements of others that condemn us too.....

Hypocrisy at its finest.

I agree that Godly guilt is different than the guilt men feel due to something or other that they did.

There is that idea in theology of Forensic Guilt.
When God justifies us,,,it's a forensic statement of having been determined innocent.

What do you think of that?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I agree that Godly guilt is different than the guilt men feel due to something or other that they did.

There is that idea in theology of Forensic Guilt.
When God justifies us,,,it's a forensic statement of having been determined innocent.

What do you think of that?

Agree completely.