What did Christ know and when did He or does He know it

The U and L refuted, I felt bad leaving them out :)


1 John 2:2-He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 2:15-17-Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

1 John 4:3-6- but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the worldand therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

1 John 4:14- And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world

1 John 5:19- We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.


Now its very clear from the Lexicon definition and in 1 John that the cosmos/world does not mean Gods elect (that is Calvinism) not what John means in his epistle. It clearly means everyone not exceptions in this world, all of its inhabitants who make up the ungodly multitude. It is clearly all inclusive of everyone, all, the entire world that lies under the evil one in opposition to God from the context of 1 John.

Only someone with a closed mind trapped in their dogma/doctrine would argue otherwise resulting in eisegesis( reading their own ideas into the text) rather than exegesis ( letting the text dictate ones ideas ).

We see above that the whole world lies under the evil one and its that same identical whole world in 1 John 2:2 that Jesus made PROPITIATION for which is clear from the CONTEXT in 1 John.

So if the above truth from 1 John 2:2 which is clear as to the biblical meaning is all inclusive not exclusive ( Gods elect Jew/Gentiles) which comes from ones dogma/doctrine ( calvinism) and not Scripture and specifically in 1 John makes me a non calvinist then I'm here to official renounce my association with that group.

I'm all about the TRUTH never dogma, never the doctrines of men, never to win friends, but to only uphold the Truth in Gods word from its context. And the context here is in clear opposition to the teaching of many .

In 1 John. World NEVER means Jew/Gentiles in the epistle but means all of the inhabitants of the world /cosmos who are ungodly , where the lust of the flesh, the pride of life and the lust of the eyes come from and the god of this world the evil one the spirit of antichrist , the spirit of falsehoods rules and reigns in all of those inhabitants in opposition to God.

Its that world whom Christ made propitiation.

hope this helps !!!
 
Jesus in this parable takes them all down at once, the entire TULIP. :)

Matthew 13- The Parable of the Sower


1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.


19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith

1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while

hope this helps !!!
 
MTMattie said:
Your televangelists say they are doing what He has directed as do your Preachers in the churches.

So very indiretly...

And that started in Matt 28: 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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Great. So is He still seeking and saving the whole world?
 
civic said:
try reading the parable of the wedding feast sometime. :)

it explains your question in great detail :)

it gives you the answers you seek right from the mouth of Jesus. :)

Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

8 “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9 So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet. The Greek word αναγκασον is to urge or compel, not irresistibly draw.

There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.

1-Monergism (Total Depravity),
2-Preservation of Saints (many called by God but few chosen by God),
3-Irresistible Grace (many called by God but few chosen by God),
4-and even Limited Atonement because as many as could possibly be found were invited

hope this helps !!!
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Try actually answering my question. Shall I repeat it?
 
Presby02 said:
Really? Do explain.
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Is he not sitting on the right hand of the Father in heaven?

Then when you asked ..

Presby02 said:
"Great. So is He still seeking and saving the whole world?"

And I replied not Him but His workers.

I say it is the people alive since the33 crucifixion who have taught and preached the word. Those that actually received a calling to be in a pulpit. Written books.

IOW... those working for HIM that carry the "good news" forward. Albeit from a pulpit, classroom, streetcorner, or even a forum... All forms of contact that can be used...
 
MTMattie said:
Is he not sitting on the right hand of the Father in heaven?

Then when you asked ..

Presby02 said:
"Great. So is He still seeking and saving the whole world?"

And I replied not Him but His workers.

I say it is the people alive since the33 crucifixion who have taught and preached the word. Those that actually received a calling to be in a pulpit. Written books.

IOW... those working for HIM that carry the "good news" forward. Albeit from a pulpit, classroom, streetcorner, or even a forum... All forms of contact that can be used...
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So it meant He physically seeks and saves the lost. LOL Now He is unable. Yikes
 
Presby02 said:
So it meant He physically seeks and saves the lost. LOL Now He is unable. Yikes
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This is turning into a comedy show-the deity of Jesus constantly under attack.



Hebrews on Jesus as High Priest: Hebrews lays the foundation for understanding Jesus’ priesthood, describing Him as a High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5:6, 10; 6:20; 7:17). Unlike the Levitical priests who served temporary terms and had to offer sacrifices repeatedly, Jesus’ priesthood is eternal and unbreakable. Hebrews 7:23-24 explains that the former priests were many in number because death prevented them from continuing, but Jesus “holds His priesthood permanently” because He lives forever. This eternal nature of Jesus’ priesthood shows that His work is ongoing, even though the sacrifice itself is complete.

Continual Intercession: Hebrews 7:25 explicitly says that Jesus “is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them.” This verse points to an unending ministry of intercession in which Jesus continually represents believers before God. This concept of intercession doesn’t mean additional sacrifices but rather His role as an advocate. Romans 8:34 echoes this, stating that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In this role, Jesus acts as a mediator, continually working on behalf of humanity’s access to God and maintaining our standing before Him.

The Heavenly Sanctuary and Jesus’ Position: Hebrews 8:1-2 explains that Jesus has a high priestly role in the “true tabernacle” in heaven, saying, “We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human.” This implies that Jesus’ priestly ministry happens in a heavenly realm, one not made by human hands, signifying a permanent, divine setting. Hebrews 9:24 clarifies this further by stating that “Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands... He entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.”

Jesus as Mediator of a New Covenant: Hebrews 9:15 explains that Jesus is the “mediator of a new covenant.” In His priestly service, Jesus mediates this new covenant that’s superior to the old, ensuring that the benefits of His once-for-all sacrifice remain accessible to believers. Hebrews 12:24 describes Jesus as “the mediator of a new covenant” and His blood as speaking “a better word than the blood of Abel.” His role is not limited to securing salvation but extends to ensuring that the promises of the new covenant are fulfilled for all who believe.

One-Time Sacrifice, Ongoing Ministry: While Jesus’ sacrifice was a one-time event (Hebrews 10:10-14), His priestly role didn’t end there. Hebrews 10:12-13 states, “But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.” This emphasizes that Jesus’ sacrificial work is complete, yet His position at God’s right hand shows His ongoing role in heaven. This idea of “sitting down” reflects both the completion of His sacrificial work and the continuation of His royal priestly authority, showing He actively reigns while advocating for believers.

In summary, Jesus’ priestly service in heaven combines His completed work of sacrifice with an ongoing ministry of intercession, mediation, and advocacy. He continually intercedes, maintains believers’ access to God, and secures the promises of the new covenant—making His priestly service both a finished and ongoing work according to the New Testament.

Sheyihiyeh lecha yom mevorach.

J.
 
Johann said:
This is turning into a comedy show-the deity of Jesus constantly under attack.



Hebrews on Jesus as High Priest: Hebrews lays the foundation for understanding Jesus’ priesthood, describing Him as a High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5:6, 10; 6:20; 7:17). Unlike the Levitical priests who served temporary terms and had to offer sacrifices repeatedly, Jesus’ priesthood is eternal and unbreakable. Hebrews 7:23-24 explains that the former priests were many in number because death prevented them from continuing, but Jesus “holds His priesthood permanently” because He lives forever. This eternal nature of Jesus’ priesthood shows that His work is ongoing, even though the sacrifice itself is complete.

Continual Intercession: Hebrews 7:25 explicitly says that Jesus “is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them.” This verse points to an unending ministry of intercession in which Jesus continually represents believers before God. This concept of intercession doesn’t mean additional sacrifices but rather His role as an advocate. Romans 8:34 echoes this, stating that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In this role, Jesus acts as a mediator, continually working on behalf of humanity’s access to God and maintaining our standing before Him.

The Heavenly Sanctuary and Jesus’ Position: Hebrews 8:1-2 explains that Jesus has a high priestly role in the “true tabernacle” in heaven, saying, “We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human.” This implies that Jesus’ priestly ministry happens in a heavenly realm, one not made by human hands, signifying a permanent, divine setting. Hebrews 9:24 clarifies this further by stating that “Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands... He entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.”

Jesus as Mediator of a New Covenant: Hebrews 9:15 explains that Jesus is the “mediator of a new covenant.” In His priestly service, Jesus mediates this new covenant that’s superior to the old, ensuring that the benefits of His once-for-all sacrifice remain accessible to believers. Hebrews 12:24 describes Jesus as “the mediator of a new covenant” and His blood as speaking “a better word than the blood of Abel.” His role is not limited to securing salvation but extends to ensuring that the promises of the new covenant are fulfilled for all who believe.

One-Time Sacrifice, Ongoing Ministry: While Jesus’ sacrifice was a one-time event (Hebrews 10:10-14), His priestly role didn’t end there. Hebrews 10:12-13 states, “But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.” This emphasizes that Jesus’ sacrificial work is complete, yet His position at God’s right hand shows His ongoing role in heaven. This idea of “sitting down” reflects both the completion of His sacrificial work and the continuation of His royal priestly authority, showing He actively reigns while advocating for believers.

In summary, Jesus’ priestly service in heaven combines His completed work of sacrifice with an ongoing ministry of intercession, mediation, and advocacy. He continually intercedes, maintains believers’ access to God, and secures the promises of the new covenant—making His priestly service both a finished and ongoing work according to the New Testament.

Sheyihiyeh lecha yom mevorach.

J.
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Sure sounds like it. Your post is directed at the wrong guy
 
Johann said:
This is turning into a comedy show-the deity of Jesus constantly under attack.



Hebrews on Jesus as High Priest: Hebrews lays the foundation for understanding Jesus’ priesthood, describing Him as a High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5:6, 10; 6:20; 7:17). Unlike the Levitical priests who served temporary terms and had to offer sacrifices repeatedly, Jesus’ priesthood is eternal and unbreakable. Hebrews 7:23-24 explains that the former priests were many in number because death prevented them from continuing, but Jesus “holds His priesthood permanently” because He lives forever. This eternal nature of Jesus’ priesthood shows that His work is ongoing, even though the sacrifice itself is complete.

Continual Intercession: Hebrews 7:25 explicitly says that Jesus “is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them.” This verse points to an unending ministry of intercession in which Jesus continually represents believers before God. This concept of intercession doesn’t mean additional sacrifices but rather His role as an advocate. Romans 8:34 echoes this, stating that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In this role, Jesus acts as a mediator, continually working on behalf of humanity’s access to God and maintaining our standing before Him.

The Heavenly Sanctuary and Jesus’ Position: Hebrews 8:1-2 explains that Jesus has a high priestly role in the “true tabernacle” in heaven, saying, “We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human.” This implies that Jesus’ priestly ministry happens in a heavenly realm, one not made by human hands, signifying a permanent, divine setting. Hebrews 9:24 clarifies this further by stating that “Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands... He entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.”

Jesus as Mediator of a New Covenant: Hebrews 9:15 explains that Jesus is the “mediator of a new covenant.” In His priestly service, Jesus mediates this new covenant that’s superior to the old, ensuring that the benefits of His once-for-all sacrifice remain accessible to believers. Hebrews 12:24 describes Jesus as “the mediator of a new covenant” and His blood as speaking “a better word than the blood of Abel.” His role is not limited to securing salvation but extends to ensuring that the promises of the new covenant are fulfilled for all who believe.

One-Time Sacrifice, Ongoing Ministry: While Jesus’ sacrifice was a one-time event (Hebrews 10:10-14), His priestly role didn’t end there. Hebrews 10:12-13 states, “But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.” This emphasizes that Jesus’ sacrificial work is complete, yet His position at God’s right hand shows His ongoing role in heaven. This idea of “sitting down” reflects both the completion of His sacrificial work and the continuation of His royal priestly authority, showing He actively reigns while advocating for believers.

In summary, Jesus’ priestly service in heaven combines His completed work of sacrifice with an ongoing ministry of intercession, mediation, and advocacy. He continually intercedes, maintains believers’ access to God, and secures the promises of the new covenant—making His priestly service both a finished and ongoing work according to the New Testament.

Sheyihiyeh lecha yom mevorach.

J.
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1731586563609.png"This is turning into a comedy show-the deity of Jesus constantly under attack."

Words of truth, truly spoken.

Thank you and blessings
 
Johann said:
This is turning into a comedy show-the deity of Jesus constantly under attack.



Hebrews on Jesus as High Priest: Hebrews lays the foundation for understanding Jesus’ priesthood, describing Him as a High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5:6, 10; 6:20; 7:17). Unlike the Levitical priests who served temporary terms and had to offer sacrifices repeatedly, Jesus’ priesthood is eternal and unbreakable. Hebrews 7:23-24 explains that the former priests were many in number because death prevented them from continuing, but Jesus “holds His priesthood permanently” because He lives forever. This eternal nature of Jesus’ priesthood shows that His work is ongoing, even though the sacrifice itself is complete.

Continual Intercession: Hebrews 7:25 explicitly says that Jesus “is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them.” This verse points to an unending ministry of intercession in which Jesus continually represents believers before God. This concept of intercession doesn’t mean additional sacrifices but rather His role as an advocate. Romans 8:34 echoes this, stating that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” In this role, Jesus acts as a mediator, continually working on behalf of humanity’s access to God and maintaining our standing before Him.

The Heavenly Sanctuary and Jesus’ Position: Hebrews 8:1-2 explains that Jesus has a high priestly role in the “true tabernacle” in heaven, saying, “We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human.” This implies that Jesus’ priestly ministry happens in a heavenly realm, one not made by human hands, signifying a permanent, divine setting. Hebrews 9:24 clarifies this further by stating that “Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands... He entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.”

Jesus as Mediator of a New Covenant: Hebrews 9:15 explains that Jesus is the “mediator of a new covenant.” In His priestly service, Jesus mediates this new covenant that’s superior to the old, ensuring that the benefits of His once-for-all sacrifice remain accessible to believers. Hebrews 12:24 describes Jesus as “the mediator of a new covenant” and His blood as speaking “a better word than the blood of Abel.” His role is not limited to securing salvation but extends to ensuring that the promises of the new covenant are fulfilled for all who believe.

One-Time Sacrifice, Ongoing Ministry: While Jesus’ sacrifice was a one-time event (Hebrews 10:10-14), His priestly role didn’t end there. Hebrews 10:12-13 states, “But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.” This emphasizes that Jesus’ sacrificial work is complete, yet His position at God’s right hand shows His ongoing role in heaven. This idea of “sitting down” reflects both the completion of His sacrificial work and the continuation of His royal priestly authority, showing He actively reigns while advocating for believers.

In summary, Jesus’ priestly service in heaven combines His completed work of sacrifice with an ongoing ministry of intercession, mediation, and advocacy. He continually intercedes, maintains believers’ access to God, and secures the promises of the new covenant—making His priestly service both a finished and ongoing work according to the New Testament.

Sheyihiyeh lecha yom mevorach.

J.
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Presby2 leans towards Presbyterianism/Calvinism. He uses his free will to dictate to us that we have no free will. Go figure.
 
Jeremiah 1:5 says, before we existed, he knew us:

“The word of the LORD came to me, saying, ”Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. “Ah, Sovereign LORD,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am only a child.” But the LORD said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am only a child.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you,” declares the LORD. Then the LORD reached out his hand and touched my mouth and said to me, “Now, I have put my words in your mouth” (Jeremiah 1:4-9).
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God Knew Us Before We Were Born​


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synergy said:
Presby2 leans towards Presbyterianism/Calvinism. He uses his free will to dictate to us that we have no free will. Go figure.
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LOL...... I am laughing so hard right now I can barely type.

Again... another words spoken in truth, truly spoken.

I am replying here because I am trying to avoid Presby2.

"I" have been a Presbyterian for 77 years. Since the very day my mother walked me into church for my (don't faint now) baby baptism.

"I" have been educated in that church of churchy things. And from the time I was a tot and could understand what mom and dad said I believed I was saved. NOT because of predestination but they said so and so did the church.

Of course there was the obligatory church schooling before I could be a member, and when that was completed around the age of 12 or 13
it was then, and only then that I could partake in Holy Communion.

OKAY... enough of that history.

I had never heard nor was taught of a thing called predestination, or of the self proclaimed Prophet John Calvin.

Not until I was a very old person... approaching one foot in the grave... by way of all the forum debates on the subject.

So I started to study about it and bible study almost as nauseum to understand the meaning.

I did not, nor do not know why if it is a fact that neither of the 2 churches I have been a member of... (current one for 52 years... ever
talked about it. It was only recently that I learned (read) our pastor has a fondness for Calvin doh.gif

I digress but just

A bit more history before I conclude.

An ancestor of mine at one time was a Vicar for(I believe) the Church of England (The paper on him has gone missing)

He got into a fight over baptism , of all things, and left the church. Made his way to Scotland and the Presbyterians, became a minister there.
Moved to New England, migrated to New York eventually to Virginia where he built his church he preached from.

My dad's family for all these generations upon generations have been... as was a familial expectation... Presbyterian.

My point is, in concluding.

I do not believe in predestination. I do not think John Calvins was thinking straight. And I think what is said about it in the Westminster Confession of Faith is balderdash.

My personal view is that I believe God pre-destined or pre-chose certain people for his purposes... Such as prophets like Jeramiah.

My personal view is that I believe verses like Eph 1: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: is for those that had a purpose for God's plan...AND NOT ALL.

My personal view is that I believe I have free will ...YES FREE WILL.

For if I was predestined by God , and having been lifelong in a church that believes such.... how can you explain that in the later decade of my life I have become certain that I possess free will. For the predestined believers certainly cannot think God would change me to be against that now could they?

Simply said.... Satan made Eve eat that fruit. Did God really predestine Adam follow her for the purposes of bringing death to them both?

OR did Adam chose to disobey God because he wanted to please his wife? IF you are a man, you should understand that concept.
 
Duane said:
Jeremiah 1:5 says, before we existed, he knew us:



God Knew Us Before We Were Born​


What Does the Bible Say About God Knew Us Before We Were Born?

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NO it does not.... It was exclusively for Jeremiah.... not us. God had a plan for him. Did he have a plan for you that would affect mankind?

The Call of Jeremiah.
New International Version
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

New Living Translation
“I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.”

English Standard Version
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Berean Standard Bible
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

King James Bible
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

New King James Version
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

New American Standard Bible
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

NASB 1995
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

NASB 1977
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Legacy Standard Bible
“Before I formed you in the innermost parts I knew you, And before you came out from the womb I set you apart; I have given you as a prophet to the nations.”

Amplified Bible
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you [and approved of you as My chosen instrument], And before you were born I consecrated you [to Myself as My own]; I have appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Christian Standard Bible
I chose you before I formed you in the womb; I set you apart before you were born. I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I chose you before I formed you in the womb; I set you apart before you were born. I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

American Standard Version
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Before I would form you in the womb I knew you, and before you would go out from the womb, I hallowed you, and I have given you as the Prophet to the nations

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth from the womb, I sanctified thee; I appointed thee a prophet to the nations.

Contemporary English Version
"Jeremiah, I am your Creator, and before you were born, I chose you to speak for me to the nations."

Douay-Rheims Bible
Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and made thee a prophet unto the nations.

English Revised Version
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations."

Good News Translation
"I chose you before I gave you life, and before you were born I selected you to be a prophet to the nations."

International Standard Version
"I knew you before I formed you in the womb; I set you apart for me before you were born; I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations."

JPS Tanakh 1917
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, And before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.

Literal Standard Version
“Before I form you in the belly, I have known you; and before you come forth from the womb I have separated you; I have made you a prophet to the nations.”

Majority Standard Bible
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

New American Bible
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I dedicated you, a prophet to the nations I appointed you.

NET Bible
"Before I formed you in your mother's womb I chose you. Before you were born I set you apart. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations."

New Revised Standard Version
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

New Heart English Bible
"Before I formed you in the belly, I knew you. Before you came forth out of the womb, I sanctified you. I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Webster's Bible Translation
Before I formed thee in embryo I knew thee; and before thou wast born I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet to the nations.

World English Bible
“Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I sanctified you. I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Young's Literal Translation
'Before I form thee in the belly, I have known thee; and before thou comest forth from the womb I have separated thee, a prophet to nations I have made thee.'
 

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