Rapture Bound
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Yep - it's happening now as we speak.
What are your views on the Antichrist?
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Yep - it's happening now as we speak.
civic
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unfortunately I agree
I said in post #21 that Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so he is the man of lawfulness, and by contrast the antichrist is the man of lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and @dwight92070 claims in post #27 that Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Our choice in whether or not to follow God's law, including our choice of whether to keep the Sabbath holy, is a choice between whether to follow the man of lawfulness or the man of lawlessness.
Clifford
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The nation of Israel has always been God’s clock or timepiece, revealing where we are on God’s prophetic calendar. The Jewish people, who were expelled from their ancient homeland for almost two thousand years beginning in the year AD 70, have been back in their land as a modern nation since 1948. That event, predicted often in the Old Testament, was a key signal that the end of the age was approaching.
Since 1948 the tiny nation of Israel has been surrounded by a sea of enemies who want to wipe her off the face of the earth. Israel has often been the eye of the hurricane in global events. For decades world leaders have worked to forge a lasting peace in the Middle East. The Antichrist will finally make it happen.
But will actually be ushering in a false, counterfeit, temporary peace for the Middle East—a peace that will briefly include the entire world
So, for a brief time after the Rapture, in the early days of the Tribulation, after the initial chaos settles, things appear to be looking up. But don’t be deceived; this is merely the calm before the storm.
Speaking of this time, the apostle Paul prophesied, “For when they say, ‘Peace and safety!’ then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape”. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
The brief period of peace comes crashing down and gives way to the time of tribulation, also known as the “day of the Lord.”
Since 1948 the tiny nation of Israel has been surrounded by a sea of enemies who want to wipe her off the face of the earth. Israel has often been the eye of the hurricane in global events. For decades world leaders have worked to forge a lasting peace in the Middle East. The Antichrist will finally make it happen.
But will actually be ushering in a false, counterfeit, temporary peace for the Middle East—a peace that will briefly include the entire world
So, for a brief time after the Rapture, in the early days of the Tribulation, after the initial chaos settles, things appear to be looking up. But don’t be deceived; this is merely the calm before the storm.
Speaking of this time, the apostle Paul prophesied, “For when they say, ‘Peace and safety!’ then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape”. 1 Thessalonians 5:3
The brief period of peace comes crashing down and gives way to the time of tribulation, also known as the “day of the Lord.”
Rapture Bound
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o.k. - I think I get it now, you don't believe that there will ever be a literal person referred to as the antichrist to head up the last kingdom/government to rule prior to Christ's Return. That is to say ... the term "the man of lawlessness" is exclusively a personification., that is ... a figure of speech intended to represent an abstract quality. [i.e. - the 'spirit' of lawlessness]. If this is your perspective, then your belief appears to line up with the traditional amillennial viewpoint.
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If I recall correctly, there are verses that refer to antichrists and the antichrist. These are literal people who oppose Christ and one who has a specific role just as there are literal Christs (anointed ones) and the one Christ who has a specific role. For some reason some people think it is a good idea to oppose obeying what God has commanded while Christ us God's word made flesh, so he is the embodiment of what God has commanded.
Rapture Bound
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o.k.- so perhaps you are proposing that all those who oppose Christ and His commands are literal people called "antichrists" and there will never be a literal person referred to as "the antichrist" to head up the last kingdom/government to rule prior to Christ's Return. If this is your perspective, then your belief appears to line up with the traditional amillennial viewpoint.
I have not suggested that there will not be a literal antichrist or that I have an amillennial viewpoint.
Rapture Bound
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Yah - I suppose that it's your right to keep it all a big secret .... sigh.
dwight92070
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Jesus touched dead bodies several times, in violation of the law. Sure He was raising the dead, but He had to touch the dead body first, in order to raise it, which is a violation of the law. When the Pharisees accused His disciples of breaking the Sabbath by picking heads of grain, Jesus DID NOT claim that they were not violating the Sabbath. Instead He referred them to the incident with David, when he and his men were hungry, and the priest gave them the showbread, which Jesus admitted was NOT LAWFUL. So He was acknowledging that what His disciples were doing was unlawful on the Sabbath. So what was Jesus' justification for them doing that? "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." Just like a police officer can violate the speed limit laws because of who he is, without being accused of breaking the law, so Jesus had the authority and right to break the Sabbath if He wanted to, or to allow His disciples to break the Sabbath, because He was the Lord.
So could He also break the law that says, "Do not commit adultery."? Or "Do not steal."? Of course not, because that would violate His own moral character. These laws are moral laws and Jesus never violated them. Now you see why, whether you like it or not, the laws naturally fall into different categories: Moral, ceremonial, and civil. A moral law is a law, if broken, that would violate the character of God. These laws were retained in the New Testament, from the Old. Every other law is to be considered obsolete -Hebrews 8:13
Jesus told the man on the pallet to "Get up, pick up your pallet, and go home." on the Sabbath. He was commanding the man to break the Sabbath, which essentially means He Himself was breaking it - again, without sin.
Paul was vehemently against the Gentile believers getting circumcised, in order to keep the law. The whole book of Galatians informs us that we are no longer under the Mosaic law. Paul said we are under the law of Christ, NOT the law of Moses. "He abolished in His flesh the enmity , which is the law of commandments contained in ordinances." Ephesians 2:15
You said that He did not command anything other than the Mosaic law. You are greatly mistaken. What commandment of Moses tells us to pray secretly - or even to just pray? Or to give secretly to charity? Or to forgive 70 X 7? Or to lay up treasures in heaven? Or to love your enemies? Or to go the 2nd mile, if forced to go one mile? Or to abide in Him? Or to not use an oath? Or to not lust? Or to first be reconciled to your brother, then bring your gift to God? Or to let your light shine? Or to not cast your pearls before swine? Or to choose the narrow path? Or to deny yourself? Or to be born again? Or to give to Caesar what is Caesar's? Or to go into all the world and preach the gospel (not the law of Moses) etc., etc. The list goes on and on.
No, He commanded His apostles to go into all the world and make disciples, teaching them to observe everything that He commanded them, NOT the Law and NOT the Ten Commandments.
Do you believe that every firstborn male must be circumcised, as the Law requires? Do you make 3 trips a year to Jerusalem, as the Law requires? Do you believe that the dietary laws of Moses must be obeyed, as the Law requires? Do you wear clothing that has two or more different kinds of material? You might answer: Yes, I wear it, but I didn't make it. Well, even if you just buy and wear that type of clothing, then you are encouraging other people to violate the Law of Moses. If you have a daughter and she commits adultery, would you believe that she deserves the death penalty? If you have a married brother who dies without children, would you feel it is your obligation, as the law commands, to marry his widow, as the law requires? The Law allowed slaves, so would you consider "owning" a slave and abiding by all the laws about slaves? The Law allowed you, if you're married, to divorce your wife for reasons other than immorality, whereas Jesus said that was the ONLY exception, so would you obey the Law or Jesus, if you wanted a divorce? If you're going to live by the Law of Moses, you can't pick and choose which law you're going to obey and which one you're not.
Do you see how foolish it is to think that we are still commanded to keep the Law of Moses? The Law of Moses was given ONLY to the nation of Israel, when they came out of Egypt, NEVER to any other nation or people, and it was done away with when Jesus died on the cross.
By the way, we are expected not only to obey all of Jesus' commands, but every command given in the New Testament, written by His apostles. I have heard that the New Testament contains over 1000 commands, even more than Moses required.
Rapture Bound
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I truly believe your visions came from God. Here's another video revealing who's really running the show ... although, of course, the scoffers think it's all a joke ... sadly, the joke is on them.
"OH-BUM-AS MINIONS SLIP UP"
The Rogue Tomato
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Martin Luther put this art work in his Bible. Guess what kind of hat the beast is wearing?
