What are Some Unitarian Variant Doctrines

[mikesw]

It may help to see how the unitarian central view functions as the root of various other unorthodox doctrines. In doing so it may help to share the points with respect to various distinct versions of unitarianism so that a unitarian universalist view is distinguished from other unitarian sects.

Of an unspecified unitarianism, one aspect seen here is the tying of a legalism or works-orientation as part of becoming justified. The other is the idea of some sort of spiritism that is not really God's Spirit as distinct, but rather a vague change for a Christian.

I saw on one group is their presentation of questions that began "if the Father and the Son are one being..." This of course is not related to a Trinitarian conception, at least not with any sufficient precision of language. I do not know if they are simply using "loaded language" intended to confuse or manipulate the issues they raise.

The other thing i saw with that second group is the tie with the Hebrew naming emphasis. That naming emphasis would seem to intertwine with an incantation process or thinking that God cannot understand language variations across the many nations. And their view was also tied with an apocalyptic expectation, perhaps as if their special insights were needed for them to benefit through those apocalyptic scenarios.

Anyhow, there are some impressions that come to mind.

 

[mikesw]

I think I have heard that they want to follow Jesus as an example. That idea may work in some ways, such as showing compassion on someone who has sinned. But many things done by Jesus are not so simple, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, and walking on water. Nor am I ready to confront Pharisees in the Temple.
That reminds me of the WWJD concept pushed. Well. I do not think Jesus would be voting in current American elections; he was not in that situation and thus we have no input on that. Would he drive a car at the 55mph limit? Again, that is not quite a moral issue and he may let a disciple speed to 70mph. Really, there is no similarity of situations to the gospel records.

 

[mikesw]

Similar to the previous post, it appears that some unitarians find that Jesus was a good man and good teacher and that he got glorified from simply being human while living a perfect life. This then seems to always have been the way that a person became right with God and still remains that way. I'm not sure where this leaves his martyrdom for blasphemy as having any relevance.

 

[mikesw]

We have runningman revealing another heretical concept by saying everyone is a christ.
# Everyone is the annointed
Here is the main point from there:

As far as Christians having the spirit of christ, yes, if by that you mean that Christians have the same spirit of anointing that Jesus has. The word "christ" does not exclusively refer to Jesus because the word "christ" means anointing. I am sure that is something you will reject as well.

Indeed I reject the doctrine of removing Christ Jesus from our lives.

These unitarians maybe are: sloppy in doctrinal discussions, becoming worse attitudinally , or sharing actual evil doctrine.

 

[mikesw]

It appears at least as suggested in one post that the unitarian is justified by following the law.
#live like Jesus
We'll keep an eye for more detail along this path. it represents a diminishing of who Jesus is and an exaltation of people's ability to live to justify themselves. In posts by a few people here and there, it seems they say that they gain the ability to live by the law.

 

[mikesw]

This interchange between Capbook and Peterlag shows that the unitarians are willing to reject scriptures on a statistical basis rather than doing proper exegesis.

Capbook:

Is Matthew 28:19 is the teaching of Jesus or not?
To be followed or not?

Peterlag:
I would say it's not a real verse since it does not fit with the rest of the Bible and therefore makes no sense.

See https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/all-claims-of-the-sons-deity.2185/post-204830

A proper study of scripture does not simply throw out verses just because they do not make sense to them.

 

[mikesw]

Wow. The unitarians here do not believe the four gospels are written to Christians. #PeterlagRejectsGospels He doubts resurrection and baptism. No wonder why John 1 is not of interest to the unitarians. This is backwards from what I heard 30 years ago about people rejecting Paul's writings while accepting the words of Jesus in the gospels. It seems these unitarians reject the gospels and only accept Paul's writings.

I doubt the gospels were written for Buddhists and non-Christ-following Jews. Of course I do not mean that the gospels are not of interest and importance for Jews who have not yet come to Christ. Truly, the gospels give them important information and that information is important for all Christians to understand too.

 

[Peterlag]

Wow. The unitarians here do not believe the four gospels are written to Christians. #PeterlagRejectsGospels He doubts resurrection and baptism. No wonder why John 1 is not of interest to the unitarians. This is backwards from what I heard 30 years ago about people rejecting Paul's writings while accepting the words of Jesus in the gospels. It seems these unitarians reject the gospels and only accept Paul's writings.

I doubt the gospels were written for Buddhists and non-Christ-following Jews. Of course I do not mean that the gospels are not of interest and importance for Jews who have not yet come to Christ. Truly, the gospels give them important information and that information is important for all Christians to understand too.

Pretty darn nasty for you to say I doubt resurrection. And I mean really cruel.

 

[mikesw]

Pretty darn nasty for you to say I doubt resurrection. And I mean really cruel.

Sorry if I misunderstood you. But you had said:
" In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the four gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them."

 

[Peterlag]

Sorry if I misunderstood you. But you had said:
" In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the four gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them."

Where in that does it say I do not believe in the resurrection?

 

[mikesw]

Where in that does it say I do not believe in the resurrection?

your raising of the problem of people saying "dead people are alive,"

 

[Peterlag]

your raising of the problem of people saying "dead people are alive,"

Oh that. Yes, it was the Catholics who taught you that when people die, they are not dead. That they go right to either hell or heaven. This is not true. When people die. They are dead wanting for the return of Christ when they will then be raised from the dead. At least the Christians will be at that time. I'm told others will get up at different times.

Here's a verse on that...

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[mikesw]

In this link #Unitarianism on Christianity , runningman says --"Christianity" as we have come to call it, is actually just Judaism under a different covenant that welcomes Gentiles as well.

That doctrine is only valid in the sense of Judaism as an encompassing term for anything revolving around scripture or a group that held to scripture. Christianity is true in the sense of arising due to the Messiah who is prophesied in scripture. Judaism was more of a development of the post-exilic people of Judah who also made works central to their life.

 

[mikesw]

You unitarians have really created a Christianity without Christ. That is a miserable view you have of treating Jesus as an idol instead of as the deity he is within the Shema.

Post in thread 'Trinity destruction in Scripture'

Dec 12, 2025

The Bible does not play word games. Only unitarians would degrade Jesus by calling him our master "according to the flesh". Stop degrading him.

And on top of your degradating comments, you are diverting the subject of conversation from Jesus to Mary. We're on to your diversion schemes.

I'll take you not answering my question and getting defensive about it as an acknowledgement that it's a tough question for you. It's ok to have tough questions. I really hope you think about the answer to this one and don't do what the Catholics did by turning Mary into an idol as well.

Spoiler: Here's the answer

(Mary...

• Runningman