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You've spent alot of time trying to make Calvinists see how TULIP severely contradicts the Bible. I'd like to ask you a question. What is it about Calvinists that psychologically forces them to believe that the average man has no more spiritual perception than a door knob? I am well aware of the verses they appeal to but time and time again you have pointed out where they falter in their presuppositions and they just won't listen. What is it about them that causes that?
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From my own personal experience it all boils down to whoever/whatever your conception of God is it will be lived our doctrinally and personally in ones life/actions/ thoughts/ deeds etc....... If your god is full of wrath, anger, vengeance, justice, deterministic etc....... then it will come to fruition in your discussions. And most of the time its reflected in mockery. Who are you oh man to answer back to me type of attitude as if they can know another mans heart as God does. I have allot to say on this topic and those guys cannot stand me now that I'm on the other side. All I got from them was the ad homs like Tom gets there. I use to be one of them and treat the opposition the same way. In fact I use to treat Tom that way and many other non calvinists who post here that way. As @sethproton use to say it was a stronghold. I use to treat seth terrible and I'm ashamed at my behavior.

The calvinists I invited here are not like the ones there and I know them from other places. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water and I respect the Calvinists we have here as my brothers in Christ.
 
civic said:
From my own personal experience it all boils down to whoever/whatever your conception of God is it will be lived our doctrinally and personally in ones life/actions/ thoughts/ deeds etc....... If your god is full of wrath, anger, vengeance, justice, deterministic etc....... then it will come to fruition in your discussions. And most of the time its reflected in mockery. Who are you oh man to answer back to me type of attitude as if they can know another mans heart as God does. I have allot to say on this topic and those guys cannot stand me now that I'm on the other side. All I got from them was the ad homs like Tom gets there. I use to be one of them and treat the opposition the same way. In fact I use to treat Tom that way and many other non calvinists who post here that way. As @sethproton use to say it was a stronghold. I use to treat seth terrible and I'm ashamed at my behavior.

The calvinists I invited here are not like the ones there and I know them from other places. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water and I respect the Calvinists we have here as my brothers in Christ.
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Thanks for all those insights. I agree that they are projecting their understanding of reality (from their life experiences) unto their God. For example, if they grew up in an environment of severe insecurity then they will thirst for a God that controls everything. If they want to hang on to their thirst for vengence then they will follow a god that demands retribution like PSA. If they lost respect for any human intelligence then they will follow a god that belittles everyone.That way they feel justified in launching all their insulting ad hom comments at any time of their choosing. It's very much like the ancient Greeks who formed all their gods based on what they saw around them: jealousy, power struggles, infidelity, etc... The Greeks were not as insecure nor as vengeful as Calvinists. They were more into power struggles and soap opera relationships.
 
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Welcome @Bubba. Are you the same Bubba that was my old friend on CARM who knows NT Greek really well and was good friends with Ray Goldsmith ? If so it's been about 7-8 years since I last had contact with you after brother Ray ( a real soldier for Christ ) passed away. I sure miss him. He was one of my mentors back in the day. I learned so much from him and you. I still have some of our old emails we exchanged.
 
civic said:
Welcome @Bubba. Are you the same Bubba that was my old friend on CARM who knows NT Greek really well and was good friends with Ray Goldsmith ? If so it's been about 7-8 years since I last had contact with you after brother Ray ( a real soldier for Christ ) passed away. I sure miss him. He was one of my mentors back in the day. I learned so much from him and you. I still have some of our old emails we exchanged.
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Thanks for the warm welcome my friend but I'm a different Bubba. Never been on Carm and I'm quite a novice when it comes to NT Greek.
Here's where I get all of my Greek study material.

 
Grace ambassador said:
Precious friend, @Kermos, A Very Warm Welcome!
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civic said:
Welcome to our forum @Kermos . How did you hear about us ?
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Greetings in Christ, Grace ambassador and civic (may God bless your time in El Salvador - if you go),

I was invited here by @jeremiah1five. He told me he had written about a "God Has Made No Covenant With Gentiles" thread and a related about "Gentile Christian theology" thread that he posted here, and I was curious about what he meant about this, so here I am.
 
Kermos said:
Greetings in Christ, Grace ambassador and civic (may God bless your time in El Salvador - if you go),

I was invited here by @jeremiah1five. He told me he had written about a "God Has Made No Covenant With Gentiles" thread and a related about "Gentile Christian theology" thread that he posted here, and I was curious about what he meant about this, so here I am.
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Kermos, great you can make it. I believe you'll find this site better than the bondage of the prison house of the other one. Welcome.
 

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