Why are you interested at all in The Father?

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Jesus presented Himself as the Way to the Father. If Jesus is the way, he can’t be the ultimate destination.

why not? is he not the "Diversity" or the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh. John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." John 14:8 "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us." LISTEN CAREFUL TO THIS NEXT VERSE. John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

now, did the Lord Jesus LIE? so, when did Thomas seen the Father? remember up to then, "NO MAN HAD SEEN GOD". so was Jesus the Father shared in Flesh? yes or no.

esus presented Himself as a worshiper of the Father along with his apostles, who they called brothers in this respect.

while in flesh with blood on earth as the "ARM of GOD".

Jesus never presented Himself as the Father, but as an Ambassador, a visible representative of the Father.

ERROR, listen carefully. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
question, "WHO IS THE ARM OF GOD.... before you answer, read Isaiah 63:5 again.

That’s why I have been asking about the practical importance of The Father for Christians in their daily life.
For Christ, the Father had an enormous practical importance in his daily life.
Christ lived to serve the Father, to glorify Him, to obey Him. Do Christians live to serve, glorify and obey The Father?

read the above again... (smile)

in much G.L

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Like I said earlier about Jesus declaring its al about Him in Scripture.


The Messiah is the most important human being. He alone is able to bring peace to all broken relationships – especially our most important relationship, the Creator-creature relationship. Because of Messiah, human beings can be reconciled to God. And we can be reconciled to one another. Because of the Messiah, nature will be completely restored one day and we will be at peace with nature. A time is coming when “shalom shalom” – perfect peace will characterize all relationships – with God, human beings, angels, nature – all because of the Messiah. It’s essential to know about the Messiah.

Christians and Messianic Jews claim that Yeshua is the Messiah. There are six kinds of evidence: Messianic Prophecies; Yeshua’s Prophecies; Yeshua’s Miracles; Other Evidences; Yeshua’s Impact On The World; Yeshua’s Resurrection From Death.

1. Messianic Prophecies

The amazing Messianic prophecies that are found in the Tenach and fulfilled in the New Testament Scriptures demonstrate that the Bible is a supernatural book inspired by God, and that Yeshua is the Messiah.

• Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem and yet originate from the days of eternity (Micah 5:1-2). Yeshua was born in Bethlehem. See Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 2:1-20.
• Messiah had to be a Jewish man, from the tribe of Judah, and from the family of King David (Isaiah 9:7, 11:1-9, Jeremiah 23:5-6). Yeshua was! See Matthew 1:1-17.
• Messiah was to come before 70 AD (Daniel 9:24-27). Yeshua did. See Luke 1:5, 2:1-7.
• Messiah was to enter Jerusalem triumphantly, yet humbly on a donkey, (Zechariah 9:9). Yeshua did. See Matthew 21:1-9, John 12:12-16.
• Messiah was to be initially rejected by the majority of Israel, especially the leaders (Isaiah 53:1-3, Psalm 118:22). Yeshua was. See John 1:11, 12:37-43, Acts 4:1-12. The fact that the majority of Jewish people don’t believe in Him is a strong point for the fact that He is the Messiah!
• Messiah was to be tried and condemned even though He was innocent (Isaiah 53:8). Yeshua was. See Matthew 27:1-2, Luke 23:1-25.
• Messiah was to be silent before His accusers (Isaiah 53:7). Yeshua was. See Matthew 27:12-14, Mark 15:3-4, Luke 23:8-10.
• Messiah was to be beaten and spit upon (Micah 5:1-2, Isaiah 50:6). Yeshua was. See Matthew 26:67, Mark 27:30, Mark 14:65.
• Messiah was to be mocked and taunted (Psalm 22:7-8). Yeshua was. See Matthew 27:39-43, Luke 23:11, 35-36.
• Lots would be cast for Messiah’s garments (Psalm 22:18). They were. See Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24.
• Messiah was to be pierced (Zechariah 12:10). Yeshua was. See John 19:18, 34-37.
• Messiah was to die by crucifixion (Psalm 22:14-17). Yeshua was. See Matthew 27:31, Mark 15:20, 25.
• Messiah was to wrongly suffer with transgressors yet pray for His enemies (Isaiah 53:12). Yeshua did. See Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27.
• Messiah was to die as an offering for sin (Isaiah 53:5-6, 8, 10-12, Daniel 9:24-27, Zechariah 9:9, 12:10, Psalm 16:10, 22). See John 1:29, 11:49-52, 1 Corinthians 15:53.
• Messiah was to be raised from the dead (Isaiah 53:12, Zechariah 12:10, Daniel 9:24-27, Psalm 16:10, Psalm 22, Psalm 118:22-23). Yeshua was! See Matthew 28:1-10, Acts 2:22-32.
• Messiah was to be God born into humanity (Isaiah 9:6-7, Jeremiah 23:5-6, Psalm 110:1, Proverbs 30:4). Yeshua was and is Immanuel – God With Us! See John 1:1, 20:28, Hebrews 1:8.
• The Messiah was going to have a world-wide impact on the Gentile nations (Isaiah 49:6). Yeshua has! “Jesus has become the most popular, the most studied, the most influential figure in the religious history of mankind… No sensible Jew can be indifferent to the fact that a Jew should have had such a tremendous part in the religious education and direction of the human race…. Who can compute all that Jesus has meant to humanity? The love he has inspired, the solace he has given, the good he has engendered, the hope and joy he has kindled – all that is unequaled in human history… Rabbi Hyman Enelow, past president of the Central Conference of American Rabbis

The probabilities that any one human being could fulfill all these prophecies are infinitesimally small. Yeshua fulfilled these, and many other prophecies, so He must be the Messiah that God promised to send into this world!

2. YESHUA’S PROPHECIES

• Yeshua predicted His own death, along with many of its details, and amazingly, His own resurrection (John 2:19, 3:14, Matthew 20:17-19).
• Yeshua predicted that the Second Temple would be destroyed to such an extent that not one stone would be left on top of another (Matthew 24:1-2). When the troops of Roman General Titus broke through the walls and destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, the Temple was sacked, and subsequently disassembled stone by stone. The inside of the Temple had been with overlaid with gold, and a fire in the Temple caused the gold to melt. The Romans took every stone apart to retrieve as much gold as possible. Thus Yeshua’s prophecy was fulfilled concerning the destruction of the Temple, even to the detail of every stone being taken down.
• Yeshua predicted due to our lack of belief that He was the Messiah, and our rejection of Him, Jerusalem would be destroyed, we would be exiled among the nations, but eventually, we would return to Israel (Luke 21:23-24). This prophecy began in 70 AD when Jerusalem was destroyed, and then again in 135 AD, when the Jewish people revolted a second time against the Roman empire. We were scattered to the nations, and lost control of Jerusalem. There were always some Jewish people who remained in the land of Israel over the past 2000 years, but starting in the 1880’s, this prophesied regathering of Jewish people to Israel picked up speed. Now there is a reborn nation of Israel, with Jerusalem as its capital, with more than 5.5 million Jewish people regathered from more than 70 countries, just as Yeshua predicted.
• Yeshua predicted that His words would endure forever, and that His movement would succeed despite all opposition (Matthew 16:18, 24:35).

hope this helps !!!

@civic , GINOLJC, to all.
haven’t read all the replies, maybe this Messianic Prophecies was listed, if not … mind if this one also be added.

when the children of Israel were about to leave Egypt from captivity. Jacob called unto his sons and prophesied concerning all of his sons. and the one about Judah is noteworthy. Genesis 49:8 "Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee." Genesis 49:9 "Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?" Genesis 49:10 "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." Genesis 49:11 "Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ***'s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:" Genesis 49:12 "His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk."

this Hebrew term “Shiloh” is an epithet of the Messiah that is to come to the people of Israel
H7886 שִׁילֹה Shiyloh (shee-lo') n/p.
1. tranquil.
2. Shiloh, an epithet of the Messiah.
[from H7951]
KJV: Shiloh.
Root(s): H7951

maybe this Prophecy can be added to the list.

in much G.L.
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@Pancho Frijoles,
in the verse, John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." if you will, examine the terms "THE" WAY and "THE TRUTH" and "THE LIFE". not a WAY, nor, a TRUTH, nor a LIFE. he is it. the, ... definite article is used in each case. and as a matter of fact, he, the Lord Jesus is the only "LIFE". 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
and "ONLY" here means, and no one or nothing more besides; solely

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[Pancho Frijoles]

LISTEN CAREFUL TO THIS NEXT VERSE. John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

now, did the Lord Jesus LIE? so, when did Thomas seen the Father? remember up to then, "NO MAN HAD SEEN GOD". so was Jesus the Father shared in Flesh? yes or no.

I interpret these verses in the context of what I understand of "Manifestation of God".
God dwells in inaccesible light, and nobody can in fact see Him, but Jesus was the visible and audible way to see and hear God.

To you, Jesus is God who has taken the form of a man.
To me, Jesus is the man through whom I meet God.

We uphold two different kinds of modalism.
I deeply appreciate yours, but I find my modalism easier to interpret the multiple times Jesus interacted with His Father as a different person.

In the end of the day, he who has seen Jesus has seen the One who Sent Him. He who has loved Jesus has loved the One who Sent Him.

 

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Dear Christian friends:

Jesus said He is The Way to the Father… and nobody goes to the Father except through him, but…
Why are you interested at all in going to The Father?
Does The Father offer something, or gives you something that Jesus does not?
I mean, you could just stick to Jesus, confess him as Lord and… well… pretty much forget about the Father.

I’m opening the thread to know your opinion.
Why not to put aside The Father in your conversations, debates and prayers more or less like you have put aside the Holy Spirit?
I mean, keeping The Father in your books but, honestly, not so much in your minds…

Isn’t Jesus already your King of Kings and Lord of Lords? Isn’t Jesus already your Savior, The Truth, The Life, the Light of this World?

So, what’s the role of The Father not in your Theology, but in your daily life?

As a Unitarian, I can share with you the role of the Father in my daily life, but I would like first to read your comments. Thanks in advance.

Hello, Pancho.
1 John 5:1-5 (NKJV) 1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

The Father is the one who begot Jesus, our King of kings and Lord of lords, the way, the truth, and the life, and the light of the world. When you believe in Jesus Christ and that He is the Son of God, then you believe on the Father also. John is saying that the one begat the other, and you can't believe on one without believing on the other. They are the same entity.

Selah

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Hello, Pancho.
1 John 5:1-5 (NKJV) 1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

The Father is the one who begot Jesus, our King of kings and Lord of lords, the way, the truth, and the life, and the light of the world. When you believe in Jesus Christ and that He is the Son of God, then you believe on the Father also. John is saying that the one begat the other, and you can't believe on one without believing on the other. They are the same entity.

Selah

Hi Selah

Thanks for your contribution to the thread.
I agree with you that, when you believe in Jesus, you also believe in The Father.
But I suppose that coming to the Father is not only a secondary belief, a by-product of believing in Jesus... it must be something much more fundamental, because Jesus presented Himself as Sent by the Father and the Way to the Father. Jesus took for granted that we needed to feel loved by the Father, and come back to the Father.

Let me give you an example: If you believe in Jesus, you will also believe that God sent Moses and spoke through Moses, right?
You can't claim "I believe in Jesus" and deny Moses.
So, believing in Jesus implies that you also believe in Moses as Messenger of God.
However, Jesus is not the Way to Moses. Jesus's mission was not to reconcile you with Moses. Believing in Moses is great, but it is a corollary, a by-product of believing in Jesus.

So, is coming to the Father something worthy to pursue as our ultimate purpose? If so, why?

 

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@Pancho Frijoles …

Our heavenly Father enjoys hearing from His children, and Jesus provided us with an example of how we should pray. Notice who it is that we pray to:

Matthew 6:6-13 (NKJV) 6 “But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who [is] in the secret [place;] and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 “And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen [do.] For they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 “In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as [it is] in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. 13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

Selah

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

@Pancho Frijoles …

Our heavenly Father enjoys hearing from His children, and Jesus provided us with an example of how we should pray. Notice who it is that we pray to:

Matthew 6:6-13 (NKJV) 6 “But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who [is] in the secret [place;] and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7 “And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen [do.] For they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 “In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as [it is] in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. 13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

Selah

Amen, my brother.
I agree.

 

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1 John 3:1 (NKJV) Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

My Heavenly Father says about me, “You are my child and I am your Father.”