Did you find someone who says God is specifically a man and only a man?
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Runningman
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How is that relevant? I know God isn't a man because that's what He said. You don't have anything about God saying He is a man. You really don't have any good points to make about your man god theory.
you reject his Son who came as a man. That does not mean he is not God also.
FreeInChrist
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You deny the Trinity = you deny the Father.
amazing grace
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Denying the Trinity is NOT denying the Father. The Father is not a Trinity.
The Father is the only true God . . . Jesus is his human Son and the Holy Spirit is the power of the Most High or the gift of holy spirit given by God through Jesus Christ.
May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ [Rom. 15:5,6]
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, [2 Cor. 1:3]
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places. [Eph. 1:3]
I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, [Eph. 1:17,18]
We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love that you have for all the saints, [Col. 1:3,4]
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, [1 Peter 1:3]
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” [John 20:17]
It seems God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ just as he is our God and Father.
Hear, O Israel, The LORD your God, the LORD is one. . . What is the first and great commandment?
God is a Trinity ---- don't think so!!!
FreeInChrist
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ISAIAH 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior.
1 JOHN 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
Who is speaking in Isaiah 43:11 ?
In Isaiah 43:11, it is the LORD (God) who is speaking, declaring that He is the only Savior. This verse emphasizes the exclusivity of God's role in salvation.
Furthered by Isaiah 45: 21-22 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me.
But hold on there... We just saw that God the Lord is the only Savior because Lord God cannot lie... Correct????????????//
Fast Forward to
1 JOHN 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
HOW.... HOW is this possible. He said he was the only and now He sent His son?????????????????
Only possibility is Lord God = Jesus is God.
So you go right ahead and keep denying the Trinity.... but you netter be very careful denying this twosome.
THEY ARE GOD>>> In Scripture as well as in truth.
Runningman
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You're using what is called an argument from silence. It's bad reasoning.
civic
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God never said " I'm not a man " anywhere in the bible.
God did say He is not a. man in that he should change his mind like men do.
amazing grace
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So in response, you offer up scripture that you think makes the above scripture ineffective, invalid or to deny the truth that God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ????
Yes, ultimately there is no Savior but him YET Yahweh chose and sent many saviors/deliverers to save and deliver his people out of their troubles. (the Hebrew word translated "savior" is yasha. It is applied to both God and men. The same is sometimes translated 'deliverer'.)
. . . according to your great mercies you gave them saviors who saved them from the hand of their enemies. . . .Yet when they turned and cried to you, you heard from heaven, and many times you delivered them according to your mercies (Neh. 9:27,28b).
God gave them saviors who saved them YET the saving/delivering is accredited to God - He sent men - HE WAS THE SAVIOR working through those he sent.
When the children of Israel were in bondage under Pharaoh - Come, I will send you to Pharaoh that you may bring my people the children of Israel, out of Egypt (Ex. 3:10) - Moses brings them out. YET it is Yahweh who plans all of this and empowers Moses. Therefore, it is Yahweh himself who is their savior/deliverer (1 Sam. 10:18).
But when the people of Israel cried out to the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer (savior) for the people of Israel, who saved them, Othaniel the son is Kenaz; Caleb's younger brother. (Judges 3:9) Again, Yahweh sends out Othaniel . . . God's plan to save/deliver his people - Othaniel carries it out. Yahweh himself is their savior/deliverer. And many other instances ---- Yahweh is the one WHO sends them out to act on his behalf, therefore it is God who is the Savior. In the same manner, God gave his only begotten Son and sent him into the world to redeem humanity - God's greatest deliverer/savior.
YET, IT IS YAHWEH working - YAHWEH who is empowering - so yes, besides YAHWEH there is no Savior.
So this remains intact and true: Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior. Just as this remains intact and true: 1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
Still doesn't change the fact that God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ just as he is our God and Father.
Hear, O Israel, The LORD your God, the LORD is one. . . What is the first and great commandment?
God is a Trinity ---- don't think so!!!
civic
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That not what God said- try quoting the whole verse, not a snippit that fits your false assumptions.
God is comparing/contrasting Himself with man and showing how He is different from man in his character.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, not a man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
1-God never lies, men are liars
2- God unlike man doesn't change His mind but keeps His word, promises which He fulfills.
conclusion: you stand refuted once again with your MISREPRESENTING of what God has said in His word. Not only do you intentionally misrepresent God but also Trinitarians who believe God is One, the Shema. We ae Monotheists, not Tritheists or Polytheists. All unitarians are guilty of this.
hope this helps !!!
Wow. You think the bible is silent about Jesus.
civic
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Crazy isn't it mike. Unbelievable to say the least.
amazing grace
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GOD IS NOT A MAN . . . 'îš - 1. man; a. man, male (in contrast to woman, female); b. husband; c. HUMAN BEING, PERSON (IN CONTRAST TO GOD); d. servant; e. mankind; f. champion; g. great man; 2. whosoever; 3. each (adjective)
. . . FOR I AM GOD AND NOT A MAN . . (Hosea 11:9)
And also the Glory of Israel (LORD) will not lie or have regret, FOR HE IS NOT A MAN, that he should have regret. (1 Sam. 15:29)
FOR HE (God) IS NOT A MAN, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together. (Job 9:32) God is not a man a human being, a person as I AM - Job in contrast to God.
civic
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nope you like all unitarinas are TWISTING Gods word and its intent.
God is contrasting His character with mans. God has the qualifying statement :
THAT HE SHOULD LIE.
man lies God does not. God keeps His word man does not. That is the comparison/contrast and meaning of the passage.
God never said anywhere that He would never become a man. In fact Scripture says just the opposite that God would come and dwell/tabernacle with His people. This is called the Incarnation we read in John 1:1,14 which was prophecy fulfilled.
next fallacy.
Thanks for sharing a clearer sense of what the point was -- about God not lying. It is now evident that the unitarians have grabbed part of the verse to make their doctrine while failing to keep the whole sense of the verse that nullifies their point.
Likewise, we keep seeing John 17:3 to speak against the divinity of Christ, as if Trinitarians hold to polytheism, while denying Jesus's mention of the glory he had with the Father before the world was. They drop out of the passage when it begins to reject their view.
Runningman
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Hosea 11
9I will not execute the full fury of My anger;
I will not destroy Ephraim again.
For I am God and not man—
the Holy One among you—
and I will not come in wrath.
Runningman
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That's not what I said. Now you're using a strawman. I see you're almost at the end of your talking points. You all are predictable like robots. When you run out of points you hurl the false accusations.
civic
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Context is King
For I am God and not man—
• The reason for mercy lies in God’s nature, not Israel’s merit. Unlike humans, He is perfectly just and perfectly loving at the same time (Numbers 23:19; James 1:17).
• Human anger often boils over into vengeance; divine anger is measured, purposeful, and redemptive (Isaiah 55:8-9).
• This line safeguards us from projecting our flawed emotions onto the Lord.
when I get bored with your confusion, I get a little more flexible in how I respond.
civic
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This post is projecting
