civic
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Yes there are 100's of verses in scripture that disprove the doctrine.
Total Depravity
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brightfame52
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The will of every man by nature, apart from the sovereign grace of the Spirit of Christ, is enslaved to the Devil and to sin. It is willingly enslaved but it is enslaved. It is unable to will, desire or choose God, Christ, salvation or the good. It is not free to choose good.
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Note: This describes everyone by nature, jew or gentile
The word servant doulos :
By nature we are captive by the devil at his will 2 Tim 2:26
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Its our natural walk Eph 2:2-3
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Note: This describes everyone by nature, jew or gentile
The word servant doulos :
- a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
- a slave
- metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men
- devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
By nature we are captive by the devil at his will 2 Tim 2:26
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Its our natural walk Eph 2:2-3
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
brightfame52
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A Defense of Calvinism as the Gospel
Prof. David J. Engelsma https://www.cprf.co.uk/pamphlets/defenseofcalvinism.htm
civic
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A false gospel
brightfame52
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Wow you calling truths of the True Gospel False. Isa 5 20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
civic
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No tulip is a false gospel replacing the true gospel
brightfame52
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We will see in that great day !
civic
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You can count on it
brightfame52
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Finally we agree on an issue
civic
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Yes Jesus will not affirm tulip is the gospel. That’s a promise, a guarantee.
I’ll wage my salvation on it.
brightfame52
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Ecclesiastes 5:2
Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
civic
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I know the real gospel and tulip is not he gospel it’s a man made doctrine from the reformation.
If you were correct no one could have been saved prior to tulip being invented in the past few centuries.
End of discussion. You are wrong
brightfame52
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The good news is that if a depraved sinner who is one of Gods elect. God will eventually in His own time reveal Himself to that sinner and give them Faith in Christ, even though they never sought after God in their estranged depraved condition Rom 10:20
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Paul no doubt her had reference to Isa 65:1
I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
This is about the effectual call of the Gentiles, the remnant among them.
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Paul no doubt her had reference to Isa 65:1
I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
This is about the effectual call of the Gentiles, the remnant among them.
What about the non-Elect person who repents and believes whole heartedly in Christ and dedicates his whole life to serving Christ? What happens to him in your Elect/non-Elect Caste System?
civic
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they will say they are the tares lol.
They would need to prove that Biblically, which they can't. That's never stopped them before in advancing their heresies.
brightfame52
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The elect Gentiles are by nature like this Eph 2:1-3,11-12
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
See they were not seeking the True God, they were totally depraved
It is not nature that sins or is ungodly, it is us as a person who sins. God did not create a sinful ungodly nature. God is not a pagan god that creates sinful things. Our human nature came straight from God. God does not produce sinful anything, let alone a sin nature. Only pagan gods produce sinful things. It is us, as persons, who sin and degrade ourselves. Granted, our bodies do decay and die but that is a consequence of Adam's sin and not because God is in the business of creating sinful nature.
If human nature is ungodly sinful then what does that make Jesus who took up the very same human nature we all have?
Newsflash! It's not human nature that sins. People sin.
brightfame52
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See man,jew or Gentile because ofour nativ depravity do not seek God, the True God that is Rom 3:11
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
You still haven't answered what happens to the non-Elect person who does repents and believes whole heartedly in Christ and dedicates his whole life to serving Christ? What happens to him in your Elect/non-Elect Caste System?
That would eliminate all your elect that do seek after God. That's a double edge sword verse and you just fell on it.
You failed to understand its context.
