Jesus opened the seventh seal and then there was silence in heaven for about half an hour Rev. 8:1; martyrs in heaven (don't ask God to forgive those who killed them, but rather, lacking the false spirituality common on Earth), inherently acknowledging time in heaven, ask: "How long O Lord… until You… avenge our blood…?" Rev. 6:9; Greek philosophers with Christian theologians quoting them deny that God was or will be and claim He only "is", whereas God is "the One who is and who was and who is to come" and in heaven awaits the "time of the dead" when "they should be judged" Rev. 11:17-18; the tree of life bore twelve fruits, a different one each month Rev. 22:2
Time in heaven
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Hosanna
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Heaven is Gods home where all has been put right, where everybody belongs, where everybody is experiencing love to its fullest—the love that God has for them and the love that spills over to each other. That love will create music, dancing, and art with reckless abandon, because we will finally get over ourselves and our insecurities and all those things. Heaven will be so glorious!
— BUDDY GREENE
I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping to see all of my save loved ones there.
— BUDDY GREENE
I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping to see all of my save loved ones there.
Yep there is time in heaven
civic
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And there was time before there was a sun, moon and starts for the first 3 days of creation. So his argument fails that for time to exist the must be a sun, starts and moon for days to exist.
So he imagines the sun and the moon must exist for there to be time.
These things did not origin time but are a measurement of time
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civic
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Ditto there were 3 / 24 hour days prior to their existence. They put God into their tiny box
Genesis 1:1–13 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was a formless and desolate emptiness, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6 Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 God made the expanse, and separated the waters that were below the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse; and it was so. 8 God called the expanse “heaven.” And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. 9 Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land “earth,” and the gathering of the waters He called “seas”; and God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. 12 The earth produced vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, according to their kind; and God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
yep good point
civic
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Yes then comes Day 4 of the 6 days of creation.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
civic
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the key here is " measurements " of time. This implies there can be time but no measurement. The first 3 days of creation there was time but no way for it to be measured. Time was in existence but could not be measured by man.
Yep
praise_yeshua
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Solar cycles and moon phases are just witnesses to time. Order. Sequence.
How do we tell time? Make up our calendar? Based upon what?
Irrelevant to the issue
Such things are measurements of time. Time existed without them
The question was how do we keep time. Easy. The creation of God.
I have a question. Every action has a reaction so what was the very first action that set off the sequence of time?
civic
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correct as we have demonstrated.
The issue is time a created thing
What was the initial action that set off the sequence of time?correct as we have demonstrated.
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