The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil

jeremiah1five

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What was it about this tree? Did eating its fruit which God forbid change the composition of Adam and Eve, change them from holy, righteous beings into sinful reprobates? Was there some kind of poison or DNA-changing properties that miraculously changed them from good to evil? And was Lucifer/Satan the angel the one identified as "serpent" the instigator? Who was this "serpent"?
Good questions. But easily answered by Scripture.

To begin, God called this big, beautiful tree the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Why was it so named that by God?
Answer: Because God used a regular tree like any other tree, He had created to be used by God to give Adam and the woman the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. They weren't biologically changed from good to evil. They only gained the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. It was [a] mind-altering experience, a blowing of their minds. And here's the Scriptural proof:

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Genesis 3:6–7.

Knew = Knowledge.

But what new knowledge did they gain? They knew they were naked and because of their shame sewed fig leaves to cover their bodies. They covered every inch of their bodies, not just their genitals/groin. They became "tree-people." They covered their naked skin. But there was nothing good or evil about being naked. And who or what was this serpent? It says this "serpent" talked.
Answer: this serpent, is says, was a created "beast of the field." Well, God created the beasts of the field. He even brought every "beast of the field" He created to Adam to give them names. It seems this "beast" was named, "serpent."

19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:19.

This "beast" was among the beasts God created in the Genesis narrative. It was a "beast" God created upon the earth.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:24–25.

"After his kind" is a genealogical creature that when it has/begets offspring the creature births little baby "beasts of the field." But some say this "beast of the field" is an angel named "Lucifer" with an associated name describing its character of a Satan, or "adversary." So, was this "beast of the field" God created upon the earth an "adversary"? God called this "adversary" good. Is Lucifer also known as "Satan" good and created for the earth and a physical creature that can have offspring ("after their kind"?) What's going on here? It says this "beast" talked, if this "beast" was a serpent that Adam named "serpent" when God brought all the animals and created "beasts" and creatures to Adam to give them names to identify them. But none of these creatures was an adequate "helpmeet" for Adam. Clearly this "beast of the field" cannot be the angel Lucifer/Satan. Lucifer was a cherub according to Isaiah. A cherub is an angel. A seraph is an angel, a spirit being that has no corporeal bodies because they are invisible to the eye. They are spiritual beings and like air we cannot see, but we can feel the air and see its effect upon the earth that can blow leaves, etc.

So, here we have a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It was a regular tree God used to give the man and woman KNOWLEDGE of their goodness and their evilness. And it worked perfectly. Once these two openly disobeyed God a knowing, a knowledge 'kicked in' and they KNEW they were naked. But their nakedness wasn't anything good or evil about it. But then God says to Adam, "WHO told thee thou wast naked"? The answer to that can only be, the "serpent," the talking beast of the field" God created, and Adam named called "serpent." And this serpent seems to have had legs because after investigating what happened God declared this serpent will now crawl on the ground and eat the dust of the earth. If this were Lucifer his diet would have changed to now eating dust/dirt. But as an angel, if it was an angel, what did this angel eat before being cursed by God? Grass? Leaves? Bamboo shoots? Ah, the plot thickens. Some say the serpent was a snake which at one time had legs and vocal chords. And this tree was a regular tree God created and used to give Adam and the woman the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. And another thing...was the tree evil? If so why didn't God curse the evil tree? No, He claimed His creation - including trees - was "good." How did it become a tree of both good and evil? The answer is it wasn't, and it can't. It was a regular tree that may have grown apples or grapefruit. And God used it to give the man and woman the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Genesis 3:7.

There's the answer. It gave them KNOWLEDGE.

KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

And there is more I can say about that!
 
oh it sure did give them knowledge of good and evil
but they sure did die now didnt they . Just as GOD said they would .
The serpent is a liar but he knows how to use certain truths to get one to believe a lie and to disobey GOD .
Wanna hear something scary , so scary for this generation .
satan can say GOD is love , satan can say love your neighbor , satan can even say Do not hate .
BUT friend HE IS GONNA TWIST it .
Examples .
Do not hate , thus dont judge , dont correct , dont warn those in error , hey we all sinners .
But it is written Ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , YOU SHALL CORRECT HIM and not allow sin upon him .
SO satans version IS BAD NEWS ,
HE uses love the same way
HE uses unity the same way
HE uses freedom the same way
HE uses liberty the same way
TO preach another verison of it . So sad that many love his version of words and phrases of scrips
WHICH HE SURE HAS TWISTED as do his co workers unto the destructoin of this people .
 
Gods version . FREEDOM , FREEDOM FROM SIN
the serpents , freedom to SIN
Gods liberty , we are not under the law only use not your liberty as an occasion to serve the flesh , satans version we are not under the law BUT HE uses it as an occasion to SERVE THE FLESH
Reconcilation of GOD . to preach the dire need to BELEIVE ON JESUS so as one can be reconciled to GOD .
reconcilation of satan , To reconcile man to man , NOT TO GOD and lies to the false religoins and implies NO NEED
to beleive on JESUS .
Love . The LOVE of GOD testifies of JESUS THE CHRIST
and warns men to repent , that all have fallen short and thus GOD did love the world
so HE sent HIS only begotten SON so that all who do beleive WOULD NOT PERISH but have everlasting life .
Satans version , GOD is love , it dont matter what one beleives , GOD is love you are all gonna be fine .
We can do this all day MY FRIEND . i am seeing a christendom that has fallen for a lie
this people Perish from lack of knowledge and have chosen to heed and learn of men gone wrong .
NOT from GOD , NOT from THE SPIRIT , NOT by reading the bible for themselves . THIS people is in deadly danger my friend .
 
oh it sure did give them knowledge of good and evil
but they sure did die now didnt they . Just as GOD said they would .
They both would have died eventually had there not been the 'test' and they didn't disobey God.
The serpent is a liar but he knows how to use certain truths to get one to believe a lie and to disobey GOD .
Wanna hear something scary , so scary for this generation .
Adam and the woman were liars, too. They added to God's Word BEFORE they disobeyed God and ate from the tree. But as Scripture says and teaches - to those who want to learn - sin comes from sinners, and adding to God's Word makes a person a liar:

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

They added to God's Word thus proving they were already liars and lying is a sin before God. They added, "neither shall ye touch it."
satan can say GOD is love , satan can say love your neighbor , satan can even say Do not hate .
BUT friend HE IS GONNA TWIST it .
So, you take the "serpent" a beast of the earth/field as Lucifer, an angel? Was Lucifer/Satan created as with the other beasts of the earth like cows, bears, and tigers, etc., as being created along with them? Created like Adam was created, from the earth or dust of the ground? That's what God says of the serpent, that it was created along with the other beasts of the earth/field?
How can Lucifer/Satan be in the Garden at this time? The angels that sinned were ALL locked up according to Peter (and Jude)

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

They were all locked up and awaiting judgment - even to this day - when they committed their own sin and I place their being locked up before God created man.
Examples .
Do not hate , thus dont judge , dont correct , dont warn those in error , hey we all sinners .
But it is written Ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , YOU SHALL CORRECT HIM and not allow sin upon him .
SO satans version IS BAD NEWS ,
HE uses love the same way
HE uses unity the same way
HE uses freedom the same way
HE uses liberty the same way
TO preach another verison of it . So sad that many love his version of words and phrases of scrips
WHICH HE SURE HAS TWISTED as do his co workers unto the destructoin of this people .
As {Peter says, the angels that sinned were locked up before God created man.
I agree. Many also haven't learned that God's love is given to His covenant people when the children of Israel were in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle. God never taught His people to love anyone else except His people. God's Holy love is a covenant love, and we are to share and give it only to brethren who are also saved so that we may all gain profit.

God's love is given to His Bride Israel. It's a love that is shared and given to others who are in covenant with God. He never instructed nor commanded His love to be shared with unsaved unbelievers. That would be adultery. That's disloyalty to love God's enemies.

God is betrothed to one Bride and that Bride is Israel. To give God's love to anyone outside covenant would be like a bride giving marital love to another man. It's adultery. And I can tell you haven't been correctly instructed in God's love. God does not share or give His love to any strange woman, to the world. That would be unfaithfulness to God's people.

God does not love the world, and we need to be faithful to not love the world also or we are guilty of committing adultery.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world 1 John 2:15–16.

You need to be instructed of God's love. I think you are holding to false teaching about God's love.
 
Answer: this serpent, is says, was a created "beast of the field." Well, God created the beasts of the field. He even brought every "beast of the field" He created to Adam to give them names. It seems this "beast" was named, "serpent."

19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:19.

This "beast" was among the beasts God created in the Genesis narrative. It was a "beast" God created upon the earth.
if what you said is true then man was created before the angels. for the book of Ezekiel 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty." Ezekiel 28:13 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." Ezekiel 28:15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Ezekiel 28:16 "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire." Ezekiel 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee." Ezekiel 28:18 "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee." Ezekiel 28:19 "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

101G.
 
if what you said is true then man was created before the angels. for the book of Ezekiel 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty." Ezekiel 28:13 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." Ezekiel 28:15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Ezekiel 28:16 "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire." Ezekiel 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee." Ezekiel 28:18 "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee." Ezekiel 28:19 "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

101G.
I am not talking about angels here. This serpent is an animal; the Scripture calls it "beast of the field."

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. Genesis 3:1.

The Hebrew word "serpent" has "snake." It was a snake. It wasn't an angel.
 
I am not talking about angels here. This serpent is an animal; the Scripture calls it "beast of the field."

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. Genesis 3:1.

The Hebrew word "serpent" has "snake." It was a snake. It wasn't an angel.
simile or symbolism, 101G understand. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

and was he not in eden?

101G.
 
@jeremiah1five,
also while you are getting that scripture on where God made or created man sinful".

"we ask, where is the scripture that forbade the eating of the tree in the mist of the Garden?" read Genesis 2:16 and 17 closley.

101G.
 
simile or symbolism, 101G understand. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

and was he not in eden?

101G.
Yes, he was in Eden the Garden of God and his ministry as a cherub was to guard a holy earthly 'thing' (the throne of God.) This was BEFORE man was created. And after sin was found in him, he was cast down to the ground from first heaven. He didn't even make it to second heaven. All the angels that sinned were delivered in chains of darkness reserved unto judgment. ALL the angels that sinned are locked up.

So what if he is called "serpent." Jesus called Peter Satan. These are merely characteristics, not names. Descriptive, not actual.
 
Yes, he was in Eden the Garden of God and his ministry as a cherub was to guard a holy earthly 'thing' (the throne of God.) This was BEFORE man was created. And after sin was found in him, he was cast down to the ground from first heaven. He didn't even make it to second heaven. All the angels that sinned were delivered in chains of darkness reserved unto judgment. ALL the angels that sinned are locked up.

So what if he is called "serpent." Jesus called Peter Satan. These are merely characteristics, not names. Descriptive, not actual.
apparently you didn't know or understand that in your previous replies.

but look, you have a nice day... ok... (smile), :p ... Oh boy........

101G.
 
@jeremiah1five,
also while you are getting that scripture on where God made or created man sinful".

"we ask, where is the scripture that forbade the eating of the tree in the mist of the Garden?" read Genesis 2:16 and 17 closely.

101G.
IF there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory (eternalness, sinlessness, holiness, righteousness, omniscient, omnipresent, etc.), then with this as descriptive of God, then what was man?
Holy? No. Unholy.
Righteous? No. Unrighteous.
Eternal? No. Prone to death.
Omniscient? No, limited.
Sinless? No. Sinful (he sinned.)

Unless you believe sin comes from holy, which in that case the question: God is Holy. How long before God sin if sin comes from [He] that is Holy?
Think it through.
 
IF there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory (eternalness, sinlessness, holiness, righteousness, omniscient, omnipresent, etc.), then with this as descriptive of God, then what was man?
Holy? No. Unholy.
Righteous? No. Unrighteous.
Eternal? No. Prone to death.
Omniscient? No, limited.
Sinless? No. Sinful (he sinned.)

Unless you believe sin comes from holy, which in that case the question: God is Holy. How long before God sin if sin comes from [He] that is Holy?
Think it through.
LOL, LOL, LOL, listen is not a Lie ... a Lie no matter, correct? IN HEAVEN, 1 Kings 22:20 "And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner." 1 Kings 22:21 "And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him." 1 Kings 22:22 "And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so." 1 Kings 22:23 "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee."

who put the LYING spirit in those prophets mouth? answer the "LORD".

101G.

Remember this took place in heaven,1 Kings 22:19 "And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left."
 
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