The Thousand Year Reign

We are free from the law of death that hangs over man because of being raised up in life "with Christ." No other Resurrection qualifies. Revelation chapter twenty, verse six tells us that these that hath part in the 1st Resurrection are Blessed (true Believers) Holy (true Believers), and on such the second death hath no power (true Believers). It can only be this way because they have part in the First Resurrection with Christ. They've already been raised up so that if they live and believe they shall never die, and if they die, yet shall they live. They are Priests of God (true Believers - Revelation 1:6) and Live and reign with Him for the fullness of time, symbolized by 1000 years. All pointing to our resurrection in Christ, not a future event.

Another clear indication that this thousand years cannot be understood literally is that it says these live and reign with Christ 1000 years. The fact is, these Martyrs, whoever people may claim they are, are true believers, and as Such will live and reign with Christ Forever not literally only 1000 years! And so again it doesn't make any sense in a literal 1000 years. Are these souls living and reigning with Christ 1000 years, and then Christ declares, time to loose Satan, and they can't live and reign with Him anymore because your "literal" 1000 years to reign is now up? The answer of course is, "that's silly!" But if This 1000 years is literal, that is exactly how you would have to understand it. These souls literally lived and reigned with Christ 1000 years. Not 2000, not 5000, not forever, but 1000 years. Literal just does not add up. It won't stand the test of accuracy, it won't stand the test of context, it won't stand the test of content, it won't stand the test of faithfulness, and most important, it won't stand the test of Biblical consistency. It is blatantly contradictory with other scripture if we understand it as literal. It is no more a literal number than when God says He owns the sheep on 1000 hills means they are the only ones who are His. He owns them all. And this 1000 years is symbolic of that fulness. It's the time of the fulfilling of God's purpose for the Church.

The 1000s years can apply to an extended time measured in thousands. The element of reigning with Christ over the nations may only be necessary for that period of time but forgive me if I have forgotten where their reign was stated as everlasting. What I recall is that the kingdoms are given to the followers of Christ

Daniel 7:27 (ESV)
27And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’

This verse however is not explaining the reign with Christ but mainly the inheritance of the kingdom. What is not easy to tell is the possible continuing service and obedience of these dominions comes into play within the continuing kingdom. Who are these people? How are they differentiated from saints?
 
YES, YES, YES = ABSOLUTELY

Are you then promoting that Jesus advocates for men who despise and reject His Father's Judgments, and chooses instead to live by their own judgments? Did Jesus suffer to become the advocate of Men who have refused to submit to God's Righteousness, choosing instead to go about establishing their own righteousness? Does your adopted religion preach to others that Jesus advocates for men who reject and teach against the very "Feasts of the Christ", and the Sabbaths HE sanctified and set apart, and chooses instead to honor their own man made high days?

I find zero evidence in the Holy Scriptures that promote this most popular religious philosophy, and furthermore, the Jesus "of the Bible" warns of such religions all other the Holy Scriptures HE Inspired.

However, for the Man of God who strives with all his heart, and mind and body, to press towards the high calling of God, the perfection that was in Christ Jesus, these men, according to what is written, have an advocate with the Father.

1 John 2: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso "keepeth his word", in him "verily is the love of God perfected": "hereby know" we that we are in him.

6 "He that saith" he abideth in him "ought himself also so to walk", even as he walked.


A thru E does not, in any way, negate what Paul wrote but DIRECTS what Paul wrote = can you understand this???

I understand what Paul teaches, because I hear "Every Word" the Spirit of Christ gave Him.

According to God's Law, there must be Righteous, unblemished Blood (Life of Christ) to wash away sins. In Is. 1, the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, prophesies of a religion who openly lives in disobedience to God's Judgments, statutes and Laws. And yet once a week they show up with the blood of an innocent, unblemished sacrifice to justify their transgression of God's Laws. Paul understood this as do I, and told the mainstream religions of his time, who engaged in the same practice, what the Christ said to Israel through Isaiah.

No flesh is justified by "works of the Law".

In todays religious system, as prophesied, the same exact practice in engaged. Men who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who "Profess to know God, who even quote "Some" of God's Word, live in open rebellion to the Judgments of the Christ, the Statutes given by the Christ through Moses, and the Commandments of God that HE gave the Christ, "For our sakes no doubt".

And yet every week they show up with the Blood of the Perfect sacrifice, according the the requirements of the Law, to justify their open rebellion and transgression to God's Laws, Judgments and Statutes.

No Flesh is Justified by the "works of the Law".

Do you understands this?
 
Are you then promoting that Jesus advocates for men who despise and reject His Father's Judgments, and chooses instead to live by their own judgments? Did Jesus suffer to become the advocate of Men who have refused to submit to God's Righteousness, choosing instead to go about establishing their own righteousness? Does your adopted religion preach to others that Jesus advocates for men who reject and teach against the very "Feasts of the Christ", and the Sabbaths HE sanctified and set apart, and chooses instead to honor their own man made high days?

I find zero evidence in the Holy Scriptures that promote this most popular religious philosophy, and furthermore, the Jesus "of the Bible" warns of such religions all other the Holy Scriptures HE Inspired.

However, for the Man of God who strives with all his heart, and mind and body, to press towards the high calling of God, the perfection that was in Christ Jesus, these men, according to what is written, have an advocate with the Father.

1 John 2: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso "keepeth his word", in him "verily is the love of God perfected": "hereby know" we that we are in him.

6 "He that saith" he abideth in him "ought himself also so to walk", even as he walked.




I understand what Paul teaches, because I hear "Every Word" the Spirit of Christ gave Him.

According to God's Law, there must be Righteous, unblemished Blood (Life of Christ) to wash away sins. In Is. 1, the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, prophesies of a religion who openly lives in disobedience to God's Judgments, statutes and Laws. And yet once a week they show up with the blood of an innocent, unblemished sacrifice to justify their transgression of God's Laws. Paul understood this as do I, and told the mainstream religions of his time, who engaged in the same practice, what the Christ said to Israel through Isaiah.

No flesh is justified by "works of the Law".

In todays religious system, as prophesied, the same exact practice in engaged. Men who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who "Profess to know God, who even quote "Some" of God's Word, live in open rebellion to the Judgments of the Christ, the Statutes given by the Christ through Moses, and the Commandments of God that HE gave the Christ, "For our sakes no doubt".

And yet every week they show up with the Blood of the Perfect sacrifice, according the the requirements of the Law, to justify their open rebellion and transgression to God's Laws, Judgments and Statutes.

No Flesh is Justified by the "works of the Law".

Do you understands this?
No one is doing animal sacrifices anymore except satanists, who also practice human sacrifice of children.

Today, the religious Jews is Israel desire a third temple so that they can reinstitute the animal blood sacrifices.

Furthermore, Christ is the Sabbath Rest of God = Gospel and Hebrews = all feasts speak of Christ
 
Revelation 13:1-2~"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

Without going into too much detail, the sea often used in Scripture as a synonym for the deep, bottomless pit or abyss, the spiritual place where this evil spirit resides ready to be loosed upon man at any moment. The first beast is the body of the antichrist (his kingdom) that was wounded at Christ's death and resurrection. The heads in Scripture often signify authority, and the number 7 is the perfect number of completeness. Thus I believe that the 7 heads represent Satan's authority to rule as the prince of this world throughout time (7 mountains = 7 kingdoms). Horns in Scripture often signify the power of whatever is in view, as the horn that was broken in Daniel (meaning his power was broken). The number 10 signifies the fullness of whatever is in view. In this instance the 10 horns signify Satan's "Power" over men to rule for the fullness of this short period of time near the time of the end of the world. The fullness and rule of this period is also spoken of in Scripture as one hour. Thus these 10 horns rule (as kings) with the beast kingdom one hour. And their crowns again illustrate they reign with him. i.e., crowns are for kings.

Revelation 17:12~"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

This also shows clearly that the first beast (with these 10 horns) spans the completeness (7) of time, and near the end of this time (the 1 hour of God's judgment) when the church becomes spiritually Babylon, these 10 kings will reign with him for this short period (little season KJV) after Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit. The wound that was healed was the power of Satan to deceive the nations, which was before taken away (when Satan was bound) by Christ. (which we shall see in Revelation twenty) At this time when Satan is loosed (the wound healed), he again goes out to gather together and deceive the nations to bring them up against the camp of the saints.
This is not my deeper argument about Revelation but I wanted to note some points.

The church cannot become corrupt. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against it.

Babylon represents the Jerusalem in a sort of reversal of status. It no longer was the glorious city of God but rather was spoiled. If you look at Gal 4:21-31, a similar thing appears. Namely the followers of Christ now are the free woman and those of the earthly Jerusalem had become enslaved like Hagar. Basically this reversal or swap of status happened.
 
@mikesw
The church cannot become corrupt. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
The professing churches can be, and will be, just as Israel of old. While it remains very true that the gates of hell will never prevail over the very elect, never. But, not so with the professing churches of the last days when the man of sin shall take over the temple of God and there sit and rule, at a time when the very elect flees unto the mountain, spiritually speaking. Fleeing because their preaching/truths are no longer accepted as bible truths, but are mocked at and rejected as heresy, when in fact, the man of sin teachings are so.

2nd Timothy 3:1​

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.”

Mike, read all of 2nd Timothy 3 to 4:5, and then tell me if you still believe what you just said.

2 Timothy 4:3,4​

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

Babylon represents the Jerusalem in a sort of reversal of status.
Mike, not even close! Take the scriptures and prove that, the task is more than you and ten thousand others can do, since you will find no support from the word of God, none whatsoever. You ahve been listening to someone other than the scriptures, where the truth is found.
It no longer was the glorious city of God but rather was spoiled.
Well, God was forever finished with Jerusalem at the resurrection of Jesus Christ ~ the city served its purposes for the time being and was a type of a much glorious city.

John 4:21​

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”

The New Jerusalem are true worshippers who worship God in spirit and in truth be wherever they may be. God dwells in their heart of their new man.
If you look at Gal 4:21-31, a similar thing appears. Namely the followers of Christ now are the free woman and those of the earthly Jerusalem had become enslaved like Hagar. Basically this reversal or swap of status happened.

Love to consider this later, after we finish with Revelation 20 which should be done by this weekend, I hope,
Babylon represents the Jerusalem in a sort of reversal of status.
Would love to consider Mystery Babylon with you after Revelation 20.
 
No one is doing animal sacrifices anymore except satanists, who also practice human sacrifice of children.

Today, the religious Jews is Israel desire a third temple so that they can reinstitute the animal blood sacrifices.

Furthermore, Christ is the Sabbath Rest of God = Gospel and Hebrews = all feasts speak of Christ

There is no difference between believing or promoting that you are "justified of willful rebellion and rejection of God's instruction of righteousness", by the blood of a goat offered to a Levite Priest, or the Blood of the Christ, shed once and for all.

As Heb. 9 teaches, "22 And almost all things are "by the law" purged with blood; and without shedding of blood "is no remission". (Of Sins)

Therefore, by the Deeds of the Law, (Old Priesthood Covenant or the New Priesthood Covenant) there is no Flesh Justified in God's Sight. A man cannot, at least according to the Christ "of the Bible", live in rebellion to God's Judgments, Statutes and Commandments, choosing instead to walk in the religious traditions and philosophies of this world, and be justified of such rebellion "By the blood of Jesus", as per the Law. Any more than a man who lived in rebellion to God's Judgments, Statues and Commandments in the Law and Prophets, could be justified by the Blood of Goats which was also for a time, according to the LAW.

This is the sad part DT, about the tradition we are taught by "this world's" religious system, We are taught to adopt, justify and promote the philosophies of one or more of the "many" religious sects and businesses of this world God placed us in. Paul was taught to justify and was more zealous to promote the Pharisees religion he adopted, "Wherein in time past he walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience". Others, in like manner, promoted the doctrines and philosophies of the religious sect of the Sadducees. Romans, justified and promoted their religions with their gods and their high days and religious traditions.

No matter what the topic, what the post you reply to, your response is to justify and promote "your" religious philosophy. Not the Word of God which became flesh, but "your" adopted religious sect. The JW's do the same, Calvinist, the same, Catholic's, the same, Armenians, Baptists, Methodists, Bahi'i, Shiite, Buddhism, the same. It is the tradition of the religions system of this world, to adopt a specific religious sect, and then justify it and promote it to others. It's called Babylon.

Your relies to my posts are a perfect representation of this tradition.

I posted;

"The Prophesies concerning the very purpose of all His Suffering, His humiliation, His humility is not Yet Finished. If HE doesn't return to gather His Faithful Flock, and bring them to the place HE has prepared for them, then their Faith, and mine, is in Vain".

This is undeniable Biblical Truth that Paul confirms in 1 Cor. 15, just one of many places which speak to the reason why Jesus was raised from the dead in the first place. Why was the Christ "of the Bible" raised from the dead, if not to go prepare a place for the Faithful, and return someday (Which the Faithful are told to watch for) to gather them and bring them into this place?

And I even posted the Christ of the Bible's own Words, in which HE, not Wesley, not Calvin or any other person who transformed themselves into Apostles of Christ. But the Words of the Christ Himself, as shown in the God Inspired Holy Scriptures. "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, "I would have told you". "I go" to prepare a place for you. And "if I go" (Which I believe HE did) and prepare a place for you, "I will come again", and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. This prophesy is yet to be fulfilled, that is simply the undeniable truth.

But you didn't even acknowledge His Words, instead you replied to my post;

"i would adjust this so that it is accurate according to TRUTH = Hebrews 9:23-28".

As if somehow Hebrews 9:23-28 completely abolishes, destroys, and makes a LIE of Jesus' own Words that I posted. And why? Why would you completely ignore and actually preach against the very Word's of the same Jesus you call Lord, Lord?

It's because you are taught by this world's religious system,, the same as I and Abraham and Caleb and Paul, to adopt a religious sect of this world, the prince of this world could care less which one you adopt, and then justify it and promote its religious philosophies, to others, like EVE did.

Now in my understanding, God calls all men away from the "course of this world", and instructs them to "Be perfect" or as Paul teaches, "put on the new man, "which after God" is created in righteousness and true holiness", (Like the man Jesus was) just as HE did the men of Nineveh and Sodom, Abraham and others. The bible is full of examples of men who "hearkened to God", as well as examples of men who "didn't hearken to God". Paul said these were all written "for our sakes no doubt", as examples for us, for Our admonition, so we would not lust for disobedience and fall, as those who didn't hearken unto God and fell. This is why I post on this forum. To examine and SEEK the Wisdom of God through the Holy scriptures HE said are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

But you are here on another mission, to justify and promote a specific religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system.

Therefore, there is No honest discussion about the Scriptures posted, no answering or asking questions or engaging in honest examination of each others understanding of the Scriptures posted.

I just hope that in the private confines of your home, when no one is watching, you might consider these things and take Heed, as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches.
 
There is no difference between believing or promoting that you are "justified of willful rebellion and rejection of God's instruction of righteousness", by the blood of a goat offered to a Levite Priest, or the Blood of the Christ, shed once and for all.

As Heb. 9 teaches, "22 And almost all things are "by the law" purged with blood; and without shedding of blood "is no remission". (Of Sins)

Therefore, by the Deeds of the Law, (Old Priesthood Covenant or the New Priesthood Covenant) there is no Flesh Justified in God's Sight. A man cannot, at least according to the Christ "of the Bible", live in rebellion to God's Judgments, Statutes and Commandments, choosing instead to walk in the religious traditions and philosophies of this world, and be justified of such rebellion "By the blood of Jesus", as per the Law. Any more than a man who lived in rebellion to God's Judgments, Statues and Commandments in the Law and Prophets, could be justified by the Blood of Goats which was also for a time, according to the LAW.

This is the sad part DT, about the tradition we are taught by "this world's" religious system, We are taught to adopt, justify and promote the philosophies of one or more of the "many" religious sects and businesses of this world God placed us in. Paul was taught to justify and was more zealous to promote the Pharisees religion he adopted, "Wherein in time past he walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience". Others, in like manner, promoted the doctrines and philosophies of the religious sect of the Sadducees. Romans, justified and promoted their religions with their gods and their high days and religious traditions.

No matter what the topic, what the post you reply to, your response is to justify and promote "your" religious philosophy. Not the Word of God which became flesh, but "your" adopted religious sect. The JW's do the same, Calvinist, the same, Catholic's, the same, Armenians, Baptists, Methodists, Bahi'i, Shiite, Buddhism, the same. It is the tradition of the religions system of this world, to adopt a specific religious sect, and then justify it and promote it to others. It's called Babylon.

Your relies to my posts are a perfect representation of this tradition.

I posted;



This is undeniable Biblical Truth that Paul confirms in 1 Cor. 15, just one of many places which speak to the reason why Jesus was raised from the dead in the first place. Why was the Christ "of the Bible" raised from the dead, if not to go prepare a place for the Faithful, and return someday (Which the Faithful are told to watch for) to gather them and bring them into this place?

And I even posted the Christ of the Bible's own Words, in which HE, not Wesley, not Calvin or any other person who transformed themselves into Apostles of Christ. But the Words of the Christ Himself, as shown in the God Inspired Holy Scriptures. "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, "I would have told you". "I go" to prepare a place for you. And "if I go" (Which I believe HE did) and prepare a place for you, "I will come again", and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. This prophesy is yet to be fulfilled, that is simply the undeniable truth.

But you didn't even acknowledge His Words, instead you replied to my post;



As if somehow Hebrews 9:23-28 completely abolishes, destroys, and makes a LIE of Jesus' own Words that I posted. And why? Why would you completely ignore and actually preach against the very Word's of the same Jesus you call Lord, Lord?

It's because you are taught by this world's religious system,, the same as I and Abraham and Caleb and Paul, to adopt a religious sect of this world, the prince of this world could care less which one you adopt, and then justify it and promote its religious philosophies, to others, like EVE did.

Now in my understanding, God calls all men away from the "course of this world", and instructs them to "Be perfect" or as Paul teaches, "put on the new man, "which after God" is created in righteousness and true holiness", (Like the man Jesus was) just as HE did the men of Nineveh and Sodom, Abraham and others. The bible is full of examples of men who "hearkened to God", as well as examples of men who "didn't hearken to God". Paul said these were all written "for our sakes no doubt", as examples for us, for Our admonition, so we would not lust for disobedience and fall, as those who didn't hearken unto God and fell. This is why I post on this forum. To examine and SEEK the Wisdom of God through the Holy scriptures HE said are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

But you are here on another mission, to justify and promote a specific religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system.

Therefore, there is No honest discussion about the Scriptures posted, no answering or asking questions or engaging in honest examination of each others understanding of the Scriptures posted.

I just hope that in the private confines of your home, when no one is watching, you might consider these things and take Heed, as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches.
No matter what the topic, what the post you reply to, your response is to justify and promote "your" religious philosophy.
This is a false accusation = which is willful SIN on your part

You have provided no evidence that i "promote my own religious philosophy against the Word of God"

"Today, if you hear His Voice, do not harden your hearts"
 
You reject Truth by saying: "there is no literal 1,000 Years"

Now you have to do something with this error because if you leave it 'as is' you are found out to be denying Truth.

In rejecting this Truth you are forced to redefined scripture by condensing it into another Truth in order to justify a error.

Catholics, jw, SDA and most denominations do this all the time.
Might as well say there is no 7 year tribulation, no 6 day of creation , no sabbath day or rest on the 7th day, no 3 days/ 3 nights these are all figurative lol.

Don’t you know numbers, hours, days, weeks , years and millennium are figurative
 
This is a false accusation = which is willful SIN on your part

You have provided no evidence that i "promote my own religious philosophy against the Word of God"
I provided the evidence, you ignored it as well. Here, I'll provide it again for your review.

"No matter what the topic, what the post you reply to, your response is to justify and promote "your" religious philosophy. Not the Word of God which became flesh, but "your" adopted religious sect. The JW's do the same, Calvinist, the same, Catholic's, the same, Armenians, Baptists, Methodists, Bahi'i, Shiite, Buddhism, the same. It is the tradition of the religions system of this world, to adopt a specific religious sect, and then justify it and promote it to others. It's called Babylon.

Your relies to my posts are a perfect representation of this tradition.

I posted;

"The Prophesies concerning the very purpose of all His Suffering, His humiliation, His humility is not Yet Finished. If HE doesn't return to gather His Faithful Flock, and bring them to the place HE has prepared for them, then their Faith, and mine, is in Vain".

But you didn't even acknowledge His Words, instead you replied to my post;

"i would adjust this so that it is accurate according to TRUTH = Hebrews 9:23-28".

As if somehow Hebrews 9:23-28 completely abolishes, destroys, and makes a LIE of Jesus' own Words that I posted. And why? Why would you completely ignore and actually preach against the very Word's of the same Jesus you call Lord, Lord?

It's because you are taught by this world's religious system,, the same as I and Abraham and Caleb and Paul, to adopt a religious sect of this world, the prince of this world could care less which one you adopt, and then justify it and promote its religious philosophies, to others, like EVE did.

Now in my understanding, God calls all men away from the "course of this world", and instructs them to "Be perfect" or as Paul teaches, "put on the new man, "which after God" is created in righteousness and true holiness", (Like the man Jesus was) just as HE did the men of Nineveh and Sodom, Abraham and others. The bible is full of examples of men who "hearkened to God", as well as examples of men who "didn't hearken to God".

"Today, if you hear His Voice, do not harden your hearts"

It's not a sin to tell the truth, whether you believe it or not. You could have always engaged and discussed the Posts you replied to. But in every case, in these past few posts, you didn't. And you are still doing nothing more than justifying yourself even now.

Jesus explains the reason why this is, but "many", who call Him Lord, Lord, harden their hearts when they hear Him.

John 3: 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

The Word's of the Christ "of the bible", the Light of the World, are Spirit and Life. According to the Light, men love darkness.

In these Scriptures Jesus is defining 2 kinds of men.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This man doesn't trust the Light, and avoids His Words which are Spirit, because to hear them, might expose a darkness. (like false doctrines, delusions, traditions of man, habits, man-made judgments, transgressions, and so on.)

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This man knows he loves the darkness, which is the truth of his flesh. So he "comes to the Light", the Word/Spirit of the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, for the very purpose of exposing his Deeds, to make sure they are wrought in God, and not the "other voices" in the world God placed us in, who profess to know God.

Not just a sentence here or a sentence there, but as the Christ of the Bible teaches, "Every Word" that proceeds from the mouth of the Holy One of Israel.

That is what I advocate, and why I responded to your first reply, which was to turn me away from the reason Jesus Himself said HE was raised from the dead. And that was to go and prepare a place for me, and then return to gather me unto Him. And this event has yet to be fulfilled, popular religious philosophy notwithstanding.

I am happy to enter a discussion about these Word's that HE gave to me. But so far, you have not been interested in discussing them.
 
@mikesw

The professing churches can be, and will be, just as Israel of old. While it remains very true that the gates of hell will never prevail over the very elect, never. But, not so with the professing churches of the last days when the man of sin shall take over the temple of God and there sit and rule, at a time when the very elect flees unto the mountain, spiritually speaking. Fleeing because their preaching/truths are no longer accepted as bible truths, but are mocked at and rejected as heresy, when in fact, the man of sin teachings are so.
The prophesies of the last days or the end represents the point of study to begin the whole discussion. Revelation is the guide through those events and the restatement of the benefits that those who suffered through the persecution and apostasy would see through their endurance. The whole message then is "how long must we endure this?" and "what will be the vindication for our belief in Christ after this suffering?"

2nd Timothy 3:1​

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.”

Mike, read all of 2nd Timothy 3 to 4:5, and then tell me if you still believe what you just said.

2 Timothy 4:3,4​

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
Thanks. That verified my findings of what happened. That is what was seen developing with people saying the resurrection had happened and of Thessalonians thinking that Christ had come (2The 2:1-4). Paul had said the lawless one had was being restrained. Anyhow, there is no reason to expect all that to happen again under the sense of prophetic fulfillment.

Mike, not even close! Take the scriptures and prove that, the task is more than you and ten thousand others can do, since you will find no support from the word of God, none whatsoever. You ahve been listening to someone other than the scriptures, where the truth is found.
I consider the Holy Spirit worthwhile to listen to regarding the use of Babylon in Revelation.
What is seen is that this "Babylon" is the prostitute drawing all the nations (related to prophecy like Hos 4:10; Nah 3:4; Eze 16:28,36), hardly a description of the church. By contrast, the church is the bride who has made herself ready. That again brings forth the contrast seen in Gal 4:21-31 between Hagar and the free woman. The free woman turns out to be the one who ends up bearing many children. The prophecy shared in Gal 4 reflects the transition of God's focus through prophecy to the woman who was to bear many children. {Note that I see all this only relevant to describe the first century situation, not to describe people and groups of later centuries.}
I could see this point as ill-fitted when someone sees Revelation as yet-future fulfillment.

Well, God was forever finished with Jerusalem at the resurrection of Jesus Christ ~ the city served its purposes for the time being and was a type of a much glorious city.

John 4:21​

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”

The New Jerusalem are true worshippers who worship God in spirit and in truth be wherever they may be. God dwells in their heart of their new man.
No problem with that. I refer to the new Jerusalem already in Gal 4:21-31 compared to those enslaved in the law. The concept of the New Jerusalem appears as explanation and fulfillment of the sudden transition of the disobedient Jerusalem that faced judgment into the glorious Jerusalem that worshiped God properly, as seen in Isa 3-4, as one example. Once the old one was destroyed, the new one came in. But all that is filler detail to the main argument to be made.
Love to consider this later, after we finish with Revelation 20 which should be done by this weekend, I hope,

Would love to consider Mystery Babylon with you after Revelation 20.
It hardly is worth addressing Rev 20 and the Jerusalem/Babylon concept now.
 
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Might as well say there is no 7 year tribulation, no 6 day of creation , no sabbath day or rest on the 7th day, no 3 days/ 3 nights these are all figurative lol.

Don’t you know numbers, hours, days, weeks , years and millennium are figurative

It is true that the 7 Day Feast of the Christ called "Feast of Unleavened Bread", is figurative of a life spent ridding the temple of God, which is in our mind, of sin and transgressions. Nevertheless, Christ's week consists of 7 literal days created by Him and for Him, which includes a Sabbath Day that HE Himself sanctified and set apart. So there is a spiritual and figurative meaning for God's Commandment, just as there is still a figurative and Spiritual meaning for "Thou shall not muzzle the mouth of the oxen which treads out the grain". Nevertheless, it is a sin literally to "muzzle the mouth of the oxen which treads out the grain", if I were to use oxen in this way.

And the Feasts of the Lord which are known by the New Moon and counting of days, which the first church of God under His Prophesied New Priesthood counted, are figurative and foreshadows events yet to be fulfilled, nevertheless, the SAME Moon and the SAME stars which existed in Moses Time, also literally existed in Jesus Time and were used by His Church to obey the Christ concerning His Feast of Pentecost, and the same moon also still literally exist in our time, and have not changed even one jot or title. So that anyone who would follow the instructions walked in by the Church of Christ in Paul's Time, can walk, even as they walked.

So yes Civic, when God says to "destroy the Amalekites" it isn't a literal command to transgress God's Commandment, "thou shall not kill", but it is figurative to crucify the man of sin which exists in us, to wipe out all rebellious thought which are not wrought in the Word of God. And in doing so, becoming renewed in the Spirit of our mind, putting on "the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness" and therefore becoming a Servant of God's Righteousness, and not our own.

It is a very important distinction to be made.
 
I provided the evidence, you ignored it as well. Here, I'll provide it again for your review.

"No matter what the topic, what the post you reply to, your response is to justify and promote "your" religious philosophy. Not the Word of God which became flesh, but "your" adopted religious sect. The JW's do the same, Calvinist, the same, Catholic's, the same, Armenians, Baptists, Methodists, Bahi'i, Shiite, Buddhism, the same. It is the tradition of the religions system of this world, to adopt a specific religious sect, and then justify it and promote it to others. It's called Babylon.

Your relies to my posts are a perfect representation of this tradition.

I posted;



But you didn't even acknowledge His Words, instead you replied to my post;



As if somehow Hebrews 9:23-28 completely abolishes, destroys, and makes a LIE of Jesus' own Words that I posted. And why? Why would you completely ignore and actually preach against the very Word's of the same Jesus you call Lord, Lord?

It's because you are taught by this world's religious system,, the same as I and Abraham and Caleb and Paul, to adopt a religious sect of this world, the prince of this world could care less which one you adopt, and then justify it and promote its religious philosophies, to others, like EVE did.

Now in my understanding, God calls all men away from the "course of this world", and instructs them to "Be perfect" or as Paul teaches, "put on the new man, "which after God" is created in righteousness and true holiness", (Like the man Jesus was) just as HE did the men of Nineveh and Sodom, Abraham and others. The bible is full of examples of men who "hearkened to God", as well as examples of men who "didn't hearken to God".



It's not a sin to tell the truth, whether you believe it or not. You could have always engaged and discussed the Posts you replied to. But in every case, in these past few posts, you didn't. And you are still doing nothing more than justifying yourself even now.

Jesus explains the reason why this is, but "many", who call Him Lord, Lord, harden their hearts when they hear Him.

John 3: 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

The Word's of the Christ "of the bible", the Light of the World, are Spirit and Life. According to the Light, men love darkness.

In these Scriptures Jesus is defining 2 kinds of men.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This man doesn't trust the Light, and avoids His Words which are Spirit, because to hear them, might expose a darkness. (like false doctrines, delusions, traditions of man, habits, man-made judgments, transgressions, and so on.)

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This man knows he loves the darkness, which is the truth of his flesh. So he "comes to the Light", the Word/Spirit of the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, for the very purpose of exposing his Deeds, to make sure they are wrought in God, and not the "other voices" in the world God placed us in, who profess to know God.

Not just a sentence here or a sentence there, but as the Christ of the Bible teaches, "Every Word" that proceeds from the mouth of the Holy One of Israel.

That is what I advocate, and why I responded to your first reply, which was to turn me away from the reason Jesus Himself said HE was raised from the dead. And that was to go and prepare a place for me, and then return to gather me unto Him. And this event has yet to be fulfilled, popular religious philosophy notwithstanding.

I am happy to enter a discussion about these Word's that HE gave to me. But so far, you have not been interested in discussing them.
Not the Word of God which became flesh, but "your" adopted religious sect.
You have yet to define and/or provide evidence of this supposed "religious sect"

Define this "religious sect"

Hebrews 9:23-28 completely abolishes, destroys, your claim that JESUS continues in suffering!!!

All Scripture you post is TRUTH = But not all that you claim to be true is truth

Define this "religious sect"
 
You have yet to define and/or provide evidence of this supposed "religious sect"

Define this "religious sect"

Hebrews 9:23-28 completely abolishes, destroys, your claim that JESUS continues in suffering!!!

All Scripture you post is TRUTH = But not all that you claim to be true is truth

Define this "religious sect"
Anyone besides him is considered a religious sect and he gets a pass, exemption lol.
 
Anyone besides him is considered a religious sect and he gets a pass, exemption lol.
i was going to ask you to interpret his speech for it is all over the place.

Have you noticed when people accuses us of something and then when we ask for specifics they flee or ramble on some other subject......

Example: @Red Baker, on the topic of 1 Cor chapter 15, claimed i am "confused" and "ignorant" yet he is unable to define and/or point to that which he claims = he accuses and then is gone/silence!!!

@Studyman claims i am part of a "religious sect" yet he is unable to quantify such as he claims
Furthermore he claims that Christ is in a continuous suffering which is in DIRECT conflict with the Truth = Hebrews ch9
The religious sect of RCC promotes Christ's continual suffering thru the 'Mass'.

i guess that @Studyman is part of this "religious sect" of "continuous suffering of Christ"
 
You have yet to define and/or provide evidence of this supposed "religious sect"

Define this "religious sect"

A religious sect is a subgroup of a religious or philosophical belief system of this world, typically emerging as an offshoot of a larger organization.

This is about this worlds religious system, not the Church of God which is not of this world, and has always been rejected by the religions of this world. In Jesus time, the Pharisees were the "mainstream religion", who professed to know God. The Sadducees were an offshoot of the Pharisees who broke away from them, and created their own religious sect, but continued in many of their traditions. They had separated from them in some regard, but continued to engage in their traditions like going about establishing their own righteousness, refusing to submit to the Righteousness of God. And many other such things they did.

Originally, the term referred specifically to religious groups that had separated from a main body, but it can now apply to any group that diverges from a larger organization to follow a distinct set of beliefs and practices. Sects often form when there is a perception of heresy either within the subgroup or from the larger group.

The early RCC, around 357 +- AD broke away from their parent religion, the Pharisees religion "who believed the Jesus was the Messiah, but took with them many of the Pharisees traditions, like creating their own high days, rejecting God's Judgments, polluting His Sabbaths, they adopted the Pharisees religious marketing strategy, their traditions concerning the construction of man-made shrines of worship, and the greatest sin, refusing to Glorify God "AS GOD", and therefore became vain in their imagination. Paul speaks to this in Romans 1.

Later came the Protestant reformation which broke away from the Catholics. This started around 1529, They, like the Catholics, continued in many of her traditions, her sabbaths, her high days, her judgments, her religious marketing strategies etc. They continued in the Pharisees and rebellious Jews tradition of rejecting God's Commandments, Judgments and Statutes, in order to maintain and promote their own religious traditions.

This religious system of this world, which began in the garden of Eden as a "another voice" "who professed to know God", even quoted "Some" of God's Word to deceive men has continued in the same chaos and disobedience to God, convincing people not to trust the Word of God, using the exact same tactic since Eve was deceived.

Today there are hundreds of these religious sects, competing against each other for contributing members without which their religion could not survive.

Meanwhile, the Church of God remained faithful to God even being surrounded by these "other voices" even as Abraham was surrounded, Caleb was surrounded, Zacharias was surrounded, and even Jesus was surrounded, Paul surrounded, and Cornelius was surrounded, by this same religious system, with the same religious traditions and philosophies, but all having one thing in common, they transgress God's commandments, Judgments and Statutes, so they can KEEP their own religious traditions.

Jesus tells men how to overcome this world's religious influence, when the prince of this world tempted Him. But men don't believe Him.

Matt. 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

This is the exact same message from the Holy One of Israel to Adam and Eve, to Abraham, to Israel through Moses, and to the Jews and non-Jews through the Law and Prophets, and finally to us, through His Own Son, the Lord's Christ.

All written down and delivered to us, specifically for our admonition, for our Sakes no doubt, for our examples.

But people want to here smooth things, like the philosophies of this world's religious system. The Christ has warned us over and over about this very religious system.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one "that walketh" after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

The same message as the "other voice" in the garden God placed Eve in.

But as Jesus said, "men love darkness".

Hebrews 9:23-28 completely abolishes, destroys, your claim that JESUS continues in suffering!!!

There is not one place in a post anywhere on this planet, where I said, suggested or even implied that Jesus continues to suffer. You cannot find any evidence of such foolishness, you are simply making stuff up now. And why would you corrupt yourself in such a manner? I have told you why, it's so you can justify the philosophies of your specific religious sect. How far would you go to justify yourself David?

If you can find even one place where I said Jesus continues suffering after His resurrection, then post it for all to see. If you can't, then who is it that is sinning against God?

All Scripture you post is TRUTH = But not all that you claim to be true is truth

Here is what I said that you proclaimed is not accurate according to the "Truth".

"The Prophesies concerning "the very purpose" of all His Suffering, His humiliation, His humility is not Yet Finished. If HE doesn't return to gather His Faithful Flock, and bring them to the place HE has prepared for them, then their Faith, and mine, is in Vain".

Show me how this is not true, according to what is written in Scriptures. Engage with me David. Don't just tell me I'm wrong because I don't agree with popular religious philosophy. Or just because you say so.
 
A religious sect is a subgroup of a religious or philosophical belief system of this world, typically emerging as an offshoot of a larger organization.

This is about this worlds religious system, not the Church of God which is not of this world, and has always been rejected by the religions of this world. In Jesus time, the Pharisees were the "mainstream religion", who professed to know God. The Sadducees were an offshoot of the Pharisees who broke away from them, and created their own religious sect, but continued in many of their traditions. They had separated from them in some regard, but continued to engage in their traditions like going about establishing their own righteousness, refusing to submit to the Righteousness of God. And many other such things they did.

Originally, the term referred specifically to religious groups that had separated from a main body, but it can now apply to any group that diverges from a larger organization to follow a distinct set of beliefs and practices. Sects often form when there is a perception of heresy either within the subgroup or from the larger group.

The early RCC, around 357 +- AD broke away from their parent religion, the Pharisees religion "who believed the Jesus was the Messiah, but took with them many of the Pharisees traditions, like creating their own high days, rejecting God's Judgments, polluting His Sabbaths, they adopted the Pharisees religious marketing strategy, their traditions concerning the construction of man-made shrines of worship, and the greatest sin, refusing to Glorify God "AS GOD", and therefore became vain in their imagination. Paul speaks to this in Romans 1.

Later came the Protestant reformation which broke away from the Catholics. This started around 1529, They, like the Catholics, continued in many of her traditions, her sabbaths, her high days, her judgments, her religious marketing strategies etc. They continued in the Pharisees and rebellious Jews tradition of rejecting God's Commandments, Judgments and Statutes, in order to maintain and promote their own religious traditions.

This religious system of this world, which began in the garden of Eden as a "another voice" "who professed to know God", even quoted "Some" of God's Word to deceive men has continued in the same chaos and disobedience to God, convincing people not to trust the Word of God, using the exact same tactic since Eve was deceived.

Today there are hundreds of these religious sects, competing against each other for contributing members without which their religion could not survive.

Meanwhile, the Church of God remained faithful to God even being surrounded by these "other voices" even as Abraham was surrounded, Caleb was surrounded, Zacharias was surrounded, and even Jesus was surrounded, Paul surrounded, and Cornelius was surrounded, by this same religious system, with the same religious traditions and philosophies, but all having one thing in common, they transgress God's commandments, Judgments and Statutes, so they can KEEP their own religious traditions.

Jesus tells men how to overcome this world's religious influence, when the prince of this world tempted Him. But men don't believe Him.

Matt. 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

This is the exact same message from the Holy One of Israel to Adam and Eve, to Abraham, to Israel through Moses, and to the Jews and non-Jews through the Law and Prophets, and finally to us, through His Own Son, the Lord's Christ.

All written down and delivered to us, specifically for our admonition, for our Sakes no doubt, for our examples.

But people want to here smooth things, like the philosophies of this world's religious system. The Christ has warned us over and over about this very religious system.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one "that walketh" after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

The same message as the "other voice" in the garden God placed Eve in.

But as Jesus said, "men love darkness".



There is not one place in a post anywhere on this planet, where I said, suggested or even implied that Jesus continues to suffer. You cannot find any evidence of such foolishness, you are simply making stuff up now. And why would you corrupt yourself in such a manner? I have told you why, it's so you can justify the philosophies of your specific religious sect. How far would you go to justify yourself David?

If you can find even one place where I said Jesus continues suffering after His resurrection, then post it for all to see. If you can't, then who is it that is sinning against God?



Here is what I said that you proclaimed is not accurate according to the "Truth".

"The Prophesies concerning "the very purpose" of all His Suffering, His humiliation, His humility is not Yet Finished. If HE doesn't return to gather His Faithful Flock, and bring them to the place HE has prepared for them, then their Faith, and mine, is in Vain".

Show me how this is not true, according to what is written in Scriptures. Engage with me David. Don't just tell me I'm wrong because I don't agree with popular religious philosophy. Or just because you say so.
Can you provide a link or a name of this true church of God that you are a part of ?
 
Anyone besides him is considered a religious sect and he gets a pass, exemption lol.

You could actually engage in an honest conversation about what is posted Civic. But it's much easier to call people names and place them in your little judgment boxes, and copy and paste "got.question" sermons.

It's OK. Jesus said offences must come.
 
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