The New birth comes after hearing/believing the gospel

[brightfame52]

The gospel is not a savor of death.

Yes it is, to them which perish

2 Cor 2:15-16

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

 

[TomL]

Yes it is, to them which perish

2 Cor 2:15-16

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

Sorry, that is not the meaning of the word gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry, that is not the meaning of the word gospel.

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Its the Gospel. to one person its a savor of life unto life, to the other a savor of death unto death.

 

[Jim]

nope the new birth comes after hearing and believing the gospel.

so we see the new birth is a result of hearing and believing the preaching of the word of God. the gospel message.

James 1:18
He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation.

1 Peter 1:25
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

1 Peter 1:21-24
Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God. 22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”
And this is the word that was preached to you.

1 John 5:1
1Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. Whoever loves the Father also loves the child who is born of him.

Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Ephesians 5:26
to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

Ephesians 1:13-14
And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, / who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.

1 Corinthians 4:15
Even if you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth.

Colossians 1:5-6
the faith and love proceeding from the hope stored up for you in heaven, of which you have already heard in the word of truth, the gospel / that has come to you. All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood the grace of God.

conclusion: the calvinists have this backwards. @Red Baker

hope this helps !!!

And many more!!!

 

[TomL]

Its the Gospel. to one person its a savor of life unto life, to the other a savor of death unto death.

There is no good news in a determined lost death.

And remember

The meaning of the word “gospel” is “good” news.

 

[brightfame52]

There is no good news in a determined lost death.

And remember

The meaning of the word “gospel” is “good” news.

The Gospel is a savor of life unto life to some and the same Gospel is a savor of death unto death. Paul's Gospel to the Corinthians is Christ Crucified 1 Cor 2:1-2

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

[TomL]

The Gospel is a savor of life unto life to some and the same Gospel is a savor of death unto death. Paul's Gospel to the Corinthians is Christ Crucified 1 Cor 2:1-2

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Sorry, "gospel" means "good news." There is no good news in hell.

 

[Kampioen]

The Gospel as a word of salvation, in the providence of God, isnt for everyone, but for a specific people as Paul stated here Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

It says the word of salvation is being sent to the specific group that already feared God, not caused them to fear God.

To the stock of Abraham, thats an elect people and to whosoever fearteth God, that is a regenerated people, for none by nature feareth God Rom 3;18 There is no fear of God before their eyes

Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

This doesn't say lack of regeneration is the reason they didn't fear God.

You need to provide a scripture that says regeneration makes them fear God.

In fact, a man can resist the Spirit, which is necessary in regeneration. ...

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

And thus they resisted the giving of repentance, which involves the Spirit. ...

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and *impenitent heart*
treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry, "gospel" means "good news." There is no good news in hell.

Yes it does, but its not good news to the reprobate, the perishing, to them its a savor of death.

 

[civic]

Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

It says the word of salvation is being sent to the specific group that already feared God, not caused them to fear God.



Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

This doesn't say lack of regeneration is the reason they didn't fear God.

You need to provide a scripture that says regeneration makes them fear God.

In fact, a man can resist the Spirit, which is necessary in regeneration. ...

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

And thus they resisted the giving of repentance, which involves the Spirit. ...

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and *impenitent heart*
treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Amen brother

 

[brightfame52]

It says the word of salvation is being sent to the specific group that already feared God, not caused them to fear God.

Right, the Gospel as a word of salvation is sent to the regenerate, the saved. And the stock of Abraham, thats a particular people, not all mankind. This shows Paul preached particular salvation

 

[Kampioen]

Right, the Gospel as a word of salvation is sent to the regenerate, the saved. And the stock of Abraham, thats a particular people, not all mankind. This shows Paul preached particular salvation

God is particular to the group that already feared God, not that was made to fear God.

Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

But non-particular as to who or how many He finds fearing.

And they were not saved till after they believed, not merely because they feared or did seek God. ...

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The word regeneration is not even mentioned.

 

[brightfame52]

God is particular to the group that already feared God,

Right, theyre regenerated saved. The Gospel as a word of salvation is to the saved, not the lost in sin.

 

[Kampioen]

Right, theyre regenerated saved. The Gospel as a word of salvation is to the saved, not the lost in sin.

Like I said, the word regeneration doesn't occur.

Neither does it say God unilaterally picked out who fears God.

God just finds them already fearing God after the fact and saves them.

 

[TomL]

Yes it does, but its not good news to the reprobate, the perishing, to them its a savor of death.

It's good news for all. Christ died for all and so if one has faith in Christ, his life, death, and resurrection, one can be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Like I said, the word regeneration doesn't occur.

It doesn't have to. The words "them that fear God" occurs, a synonym because the unregenerate have no fear of God in their eyes Rom 3:18

18 there is no fear of God before their eyes.

Thats why Jesus sent Peter to Cornelius with the Gospel, he feared God Acts 10 2

A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
Thats regeneration. God gives a heart to fear Him

Jer 32 40

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

The regenerated are the good ground hearers Matt 13 23

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Right, the Gospel as a word of salvation is sent to the regenerate, the saved. And the stock of Abraham, thats a particular people, not all mankind. This shows Paul preached particular salvation

Guess God figured thwe regenerate would still ___ it up. Thats why he had to do all the work for them.....

 

[brightfame52]

It's good news for all. Christ died for all and so if one has faith in Christ, his life, death, and resurrection, one can be saved.

No the Gospel to some is a savor of death unto death. Some believe but some mock Acts 17:32-34

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

33 So Paul departed from among them.

34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

See, from the same sermon, some mocked, but some believed.

The certain men that clave believed, the word clave kollaō:

1. to glue, to glue together, cement, fasten together
2. to join or fasten firmly together
3. to join one's self to, cleave to

In this verse its passive voice, they were caused to cleave and believe. No doubt they were elect. The rest mocked and jeered the Message Paul preached. The message to them was a savor of death unto death, but not so with them who believed.

 

[TomL]

No the Gospel to some is a savor of death unto death. Some believe but some mock Acts 17:32-34

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

33 So Paul departed from among them.

34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

See, from the same sermon, some mocked, but some believed.

The certain men that clave believed, the word clave kollaō:

1. to glue, to glue together, cement, fasten together
2. to join or fasten firmly together
3. to join one's self to, cleave to

In this verse its passive voice, they were caused to cleave and believe. No doubt they were elect. The rest mocked and jeered the Message Paul preached. The message to them was a savor of death unto death, but not so with them who believed.

No good news for men predestined to destruction. Therefore, there is no gospel for those so predestined.

 

[TomL]

It doesn't have to. The words "them that fear God" occurs, a synonym because the unregenerate have no fear of God in their eyes Rom 3:18

18 there is no fear of God before their eyes.

Thats why Jesus sent Peter to Cornelius with the Gospel, he feared God Acts 10 2

A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
Thats regeneration. God gives a heart to fear Him

Jer 32 40

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

The regenerated are the good ground hearers Matt 13 23

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

One must have faith to be regenerated.

Receive the Spirit through faith

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LEB) — 5 Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Your doctrine is the opposite of scripture.