The New birth comes after hearing/believing the gospel

[TomL]

Sure it does, the elect are born as ungodly unbelievers but difference being they were Justified at the Cross which is verified by Christ resurrection Rom 4:25

Sorry unrepentant unbelievers are not justified


Rom 5:1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Gal 2:16nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Rom 3:28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Your doctrine is warped.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry unrepentant unbelievers are not justified

Sorry repentance doesn't justify you What Christ did does.

 

[TibiasDad]

What you mean?

Christ died for the purpose of atoning for sin. If you asked the question how are sins atoned for? The answer would be ‘Through the death of Christ!’ If you asked ‘Why must Christ die?’ The answer would be ‘To atone for our sins, and turn away the wrath of God against sinners!’

That is the extent of the meaning of Rom 4:25. That without Christ’s death and resurrection, there would be no forgiveness for sin. Or to state it positively, forgiveness is only possible because and by means of the death and resurrection of Christ.

It does not establish forgiveness as a finished act- that can only happen through belief (exampled by confession and repentance and obedience to Christ’s teachings)- but it makes forgiveness possible if we believe.


Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Sorry repentance doesn't justify you What Christ did does.

Faith, through which repentance comes, results in justification. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ…” (Rom 5:1) (See also, Rom 3:28, 10:10, Gal 2:16, 3:24)

Christ does not believe for us. Christ died and rose again; we believe; God the Father forgives; the Holy Spirit indwells us causing us to be regenerated/born again!


Doug

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for the purpose of atoning for sin. If you asked the question how are sins atoned for? The answer would be ‘Through the death of Christ!’ If you asked ‘Why must Christ die?’ The answer would be ‘To atone for our sins, and turn away the wrath of God against sinners!’

That is the extent of the meaning of Rom 4:25. That without Christ’s death and resurrection, there would be no forgiveness for sin. Or to state it positively, forgiveness is only possible because and by means of the death and resurrection of Christ.

It does not establish forgiveness as a finished act- that can only happen through belief (exampled by confession and repentance and obedience to Christ’s teachings)- but it makes forgiveness possible if we believe.


Doug

It's clear to me that Rom 4:25 established the fact that the elect have been Justified by the the death of Christ and His resurrection gives evidence of the same.

 

[brightfame52]

Faith, through which repentance comes, results in justification. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ…” (Rom 5:1) (See also, Rom 3:28, 10:10, Gal 2:16, 3:24

Faith received the Justication which already existed from what Christ accomplished.for them at the Cross. But faith itself didn't put away the sins of the elect which the resurrection of Christ testified of. Christ put away the sins and satisfied Justice

 

[TomL]

Sorry repentance doesn't justify you What Christ did does.

Once again you fail to address scripture

Sorry unrepentant unbelievers are not justified


Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Philippians 3:9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,




Your doctrine is warped.

 

[brightfame52]

Once again you fail to address scripture

I have no problem with those verses, they are not against anything I have stated

 

[TibiasDad]

It's clear to me that Rom 4:25 established the fact that the elect have been Justified by the the death of Christ and His resurrection gives evidence of the same.

Cataracts are terrible things… so is stuttering! (Justified by the the death of Christ)

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Faith received the Justication which already existed from what Christ accomplished.for them at the Cross. But faith itself didn't put away the sins of the elect which the resurrection of Christ testified of. Christ put away the sins and satisfied Justice

I do not recall faith ever “receiving” anything in scripture. Where does it say ‘faith receives justification’? (I’m getting older, and my memory isn’t quite as sharp as it used to be…)


Doug

 

[brightfame52]

Cataracts are terrible things… so is stuttering! (Justified by the the death of Christ)

Doug

It's a established truth. Yes as Justified by the blood of Christ Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

That's what Faith believes

 

[FreeInChrist]

Sure it does, the elect are born as ungodly unbelievers but difference being they were Justified at the Cross which is verified by Christ resurrection Rom 4:25

So if they never have faith no harm......

Sorry repentance doesn't justify you What Christ did does.

2brightfame

When you were 12 or 13 years old, did you attent confirmation classes at your church?

You are Predestined, so you should have....

Wonder what they taught you because at that age I was in my own predestined church confirmation classes and they doid not even suggest that we were basically chosen and that is the reason we were all there....

What say you?

 

[brightfame52]

I do not recall faith ever “receiving” anything in scripture. Where does it say ‘faith receives justification’? (I’m getting older, and my memory isn’t quite as sharp as it used to be…)


Doug

It's not about what you remember. Spiritual Truth is received by Faith

 

[brightfame52]

So if they never have faith no harm

Never heard of such a thing, for the just shall live by Faith